The Abyss response to a DOW

[ReadyFireAIm]

Let me clarify a few things. First off, The Abyss have been declared on for two reasons

1. Some of our members, from CDT, fought LE last round and beat them. So LE is basically saying Abyss = CDT. And wants to get revenge for last round.

2. Nordic Ballers are the "guards" of a flag chasing alliance known as Betamax. Along with a few others. A few days ago, a few Abyss nations randomly found Betamax nations and raided them. We immediately offered peace after being asked by Lonewolfe.

Now, for no real reason, Lonewolfe proceed to threaten The Abyss on two separate occasions. Likely due to his believe that we were interested in a flag. No, we were not.

We told him to stop. Not in a pleasant manner, but essentially told him to stop threatening or else.

Anyway, I don't mind a good fight. But would like to get the above out before people start believing we were randomly targeted.

Also, it's not very nice to attack an alliance 20 hours after they merged with another

Edited July 13, 2010 by ReadyFireAIm

[commander thrawn]

[quote name='ReadyFireAIm' date='13 July 2010 - 06:53 AM' timestamp='1279000401' post='2369068']
Let me clarify a few things. First off, The Abyss have been declared on for two reasons

1. Some of our members, from CDT, fought LE last round and beat them. So LE is basically saying Abyss = CDT. And wants to get revenge for last round.

2. Nordic Ballers are the "guards" of a flag chasing alliance known as Betamax. Along with a few others. A few days ago, a few Abyss nations randomly found Betamax nations and raided them. We immediately offered peace after being asked by Lonewolfe.

Now, for no real reason, Lonewolfe proceed to threaten The Abyss on two separate occasions. Likely due to his believe that we were interested in a flag. No, we were not.

We told him to stop. Not in a pleasant manner, but essentially told him to stop threatening or else.

Anyway, I don't mind a good fight. But would like to get the above out before people start believing we were randomly targeted.

Also, it's not very nice to attack an alliance 20 hours after they merged with another
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What can we say, the Aesir hunger.

[Frostfirefox]

[quote name='ReadyFireAIm' date='12 July 2010 - 11:53 PM' timestamp='1279000401' post='2369068']

1. Some of our members, from CDT, fought LE last round and beat them. So LE is basically saying Abyss = CDT. And wants to get revenge for last round.

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"Beat" is a stretch for a war where both sides ended up on the ground. "Unfinished war" would be more accurate.

[ReadyFireAIm]

[quote name='Frostfirefox' date='13 July 2010 - 01:10 AM' timestamp='1279001405' post='2369076']
"Beat" is a stretch for a war where both sides ended up on the ground. "Unfinished war" would be more accurate.
[/quote]

It would be unfinished if CDT even existed this round. They do not. The Abyss is a completely separate alliance. Does LE remember CDT ever having 80+ members? Seriously, you guys are setting a bad precedent here. This is a war being fought because you guys wanted revenge for last round. And Lonewolfe provided an avenue for that since his motive is to get a flag.

[Frostfirefox]

[quote name='ReadyFireAIm' date='13 July 2010 - 12:15 AM' timestamp='1279001695' post='2369079']
It would be unfinished if CDT even existed this round. They do not. The Abyss is a completely separate alliance. Does LE remember CDT ever having 80+ members? Seriously, you guys are setting a bad precedent here. This is a war being fought because you guys wanted revenge for last round. And Lonewolfe provided an avenue for that since his motive is to get a flag.
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Take out the you guys. I am not more than one person.

They share a similar motive, so they joined together. I personally do not think it matters if you title your alliance differently, it does not change those within. If your willing to claim victory to a war that was a draw, and then say CDT is no more so the war can not be finished, and somehow victory defaults to you, it clearly must be finished.

But hey, I do not know their true intentions and neither do you. So you or I, or anyone who is not them, can not claim their cause of war off of assumption.

[Morte Vallta]

[quote name='ReadyFireAIm' date='13 July 2010 - 12:53 AM' timestamp='1279000401' post='2369068']


1. Some of our members, from CDT, fought LE last round and beat them. So LE is basically saying Abyss = CDT. And wants to get revenge for last round.

Anyway, I don't mind a good fight. But would like to get the above out before people start believing we were randomly targeted.

Also, it's not very nice to attack an alliance 20 hours after they merged with another
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I'll counter Point #1 with this. LE likes a good fight. You gave us one last round. Nation Count, NS etc all fairly even. We're returning the favor. (I've got our last round leader looking the full stats up to confirm.). This round. NB+LE also fairly even with The Abyss. Take a gander at the stats readily availible.

And you're right. This wasn't a random target. Look at the stats. Not a stomp by any stretch of the imagination. No other targets were availible; due to pretty much everyone else getting involved in the earlier festivities. So please; continue to think it's revenge if it makes you feel better.

As to the merger. Bad timing. War was already greenlit when it happened, especially given no formal announcement of the merger.

Now let's get back to a good nuke-laden fight. May we all glow with that healthy green glow

[ReadyFireAIm]

[quote name='Frostfirefox' date='13 July 2010 - 01:31 AM' timestamp='1279002658' post='2369085']
Take out the you guys. I am not more than one person.

They share a similar motive, so they joined together. I personally do not think it matters if you title your alliance differently, it does not change those within. If your willing to claim victory to a war that was a draw, and then say CDT is no more so the war can not be finished, and somehow victory defaults to you, it clearly must be finished.

But hey, I do not know their true intentions and neither do you. So you or I, or anyone who is not them, can not claim their cause of war off of assumption.
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Sorry man, but Bacon came into our irc and stated it was a war for stuff done in previous rounds. The intentions of both these alliances is pretty clear, and it is what I stated before.

[quote][00:55] <+Bacon[LE]> Our turn to return the favor this round[/quote]

And no. The Abyss is not CDT. Look, The Abyss is made up of many other people. I am one of three leaders. You can continue saying it is the same alliance and thus revenge is possible. But it is not, because aside from 1/3 of the alliance, the rest are new members , new govt structure, new everything.

[ReadyFireAIm]

[quote name='Morte Vallta' date='13 July 2010 - 01:34 AM' timestamp='1279002844' post='2369088']
I'll counter Point #1 with this. LE likes a good fight. You gave us one last round. Nation Count, NS etc all fairly even. We're returning the favor. (I've got our last round leader looking the full stats up to confirm.). This round. NB+LE also fairly even with The Abyss. Take a gander at the stats readily availible.

And you're right. This wasn't a random target. Look at the stats. Not a stomp by any stretch of the imagination. No other targets were availible; due to pretty much everyone else getting involved in the earlier festivities. So please; continue to think it's revenge if it makes you feel better.

As to the merger. Bad timing. War was already greenlit when it happened, especially given no formal announcement of the merger.

Now let's get back to a good nuke-laden fight. May we all glow with that healthy green glow[/quote]



We gave you nothing last round. 1/3 of the Abyss is CDT members. Get that straight.



This is pretty hilarious given that you originally were targeting us before the merger. LE + NB were much larger than Abyss before the merger. Don't think we'll go down easy, but give us a few days and we would have been at least finished with the merger.

Here was essentially your train of thought: Gah, I hate weekday wars. But if we wait another few days, they will be even bigger!


Anyway, you wanted revenge. Bacon wanted revenge. Lonewolfe wants his flag. That's about the entire motivation for this war. You can claim other things, but it's pretty clear to all.

And like I said before, bad precedent for your alliance to take.

Edited July 13, 2010 by ReadyFireAIm

[Frostfirefox]

[quote name='ReadyFireAIm' date='13 July 2010 - 12:51 AM' timestamp='1279003869' post='2369105']
*delete*
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I don't mean to drag this on any further than necessary (only posting because I fought in the last rounds war), but your quoting a single IRC line out of context (if any applies). Do you think I'm a moron? 'Our turn to return the favor this round' is an easy statement to form into your own words, so you'll have to do better.

Why would LE want revenge on a war that ended with both CDT and LE on the biggest losing alliance list as 1 and 2, and vice-versa depending on the day and hour. Bacon posted his reason, and your 'response to the DoW' is very incorrect..., which was my only point I intended to make.

[ReadyFireAIm]

[quote name='Frostfirefox' date='13 July 2010 - 02:07 AM' timestamp='1279004848' post='2369112']
I don't mean to drag this on any further than necessary (only posting because I fought in the last rounds war), but your quoting a single IRC line out of context (if any applies). Do you think I'm a moron? 'Our turn to return the favor this round' is an easy statement to form into your own words, so you'll have to do better.

Why would LE want revenge on a war that ended with both CDT and LE on the biggest losing alliance list as 1 and 2, and vice-versa depending on the day and hour. Bacon posted his reason, and your 'response to the DoW' is very incorrect..., which was my only point I intended to make.
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Please read what Bacon wrote above. I'm assuming that's Bacon, right?

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I'll counter Point #1 with this. LE likes a good fight. You gave us one last round. Nation Count, NS etc all fairly even. We're returning the favor. (I've got our last round leader looking the full stats up to confirm.). This round. NB+LE also fairly even with The Abyss. Take a gander at the stats readily availible.[/quote]

You gave us one last round. "You" refers to CDT. He is referring to last rounds war. I think even you can admit that. Returning the favor is getting revenge for last round.

Now, you are saying that the current war isn't motivated by wanting to get back at the CDT members who fought them last round? Look, do all the fact checking you like. All I'm going off of is what Bacon said in our irc room, what he's said here, and what Lonewolfe said in some chats.

The Abyss is NOT CDT. It is okay to fight a war, but LE's reasons for going to war are just wrong. Next time LE should fight a war because they want a good fight, not because they were hurt in a previous round and want revenge.

Edited July 13, 2010 by ReadyFireAIm

[KingNeptune]

Yay bubbye T-shirt chasers.

o/ rome.

[Frostfirefox]

[quote name='ReadyFireAIm' date='13 July 2010 - 01:23 AM' timestamp='1279005805' post='2369126']
*delete again*
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"LE likes a good fight. You gave us one last round. We're returning the favor."-That is a compliment to CDT. And they are returning a good fight to CDT members in The Abyss. It does not mean they harbor ill feelings and hatred for your attack on LE last round. You attacked a day before they were going to attack you. They wanted it.

You fought me last round. You nuked me twice, ReadyFireAim, helped ZI me as I helped LE ZI you. All I sent was friendly messages to you, and my other opponents. I even mentioned you in a [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=87399&view=findpost&p=2340392"]post[/url], saying you were kind. Do you really think anyone in LE hates CDT for blitzing us? Hell no, they love you for it. Returning the favor is because you fought well last round and LE loves a tough fight. And with the additional members in The Abyss, compared to CDT they joined with NB.

If you want to slander someone for no reason who was friendly to you throughout the last war, and still is. So be it. But even if you slander them, they still will appreciate the fight.

Lonewolfe has his own reasons, and none of his reasons should tie in with LE's reasons, only that they are helping one another.

[kongland]

THE ABYSS's leader's whingeing is embarassing even to read. Just fight.

TE=Fight

Stop complaints please. You are supposed to be a tough Leader, role model for your own people.

o/ to all fighters (not talkers) from LE,NB and Abyss

[ReadyFireAIm]

[quote name='kong' date='13 July 2010 - 05:44 AM' timestamp='1279017879' post='2369201']
THE ABYSS's leader's whingeing is embarassing even to read. Just fight.

TE=Fight

Stop complaints please. You are supposed to be a tough Leader, role model for your own people.

o/ to all fighters (not talkers) from LE,NB and Abyss
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Things are different when you have to lead an alliance. Even as one of three government members. What you see as whining (since you are part of the attacking party), I see as making sure the reasons for war are made public. This is a union between flag chasers (NB) and a guy who wants revenge for stuff done last round. Go ahead and keep denying Bacon or your other leaders have not targeted us because of stuff some of our members did last round in a different aa. He's already provided enough evidence that LE is involved partly because of stuff done last round. IT happens. War happens.

[Hunger]

Just out of curiosity, what is the matter with being a "flag chaser?" Isn't this "Tournament" edition. Isn't the goal of a tournament to WIN it? Of course, that need not be [i]everyone's[/i] goal, but it is a reasonable goal and a reasonable reason to go to war or make other decisions.

TE was a lot more fun before a good deal of people started trying to impose on everyone else their ideas of what TE is or isn't.

[Frostfirefox]

[quote name='Hunger' date='13 July 2010 - 11:47 AM' timestamp='1279043221' post='2369415']
Just out of curiosity, what is the matter with being a "flag chaser?" Isn't this "Tournament" edition. Isn't the goal of a tournament to WIN it? Of course, that need not be [i]everyone's[/i] goal, but it is a reasonable goal and a reasonable reason to go to war or make other decisions.

TE was a lot more fun before a good deal of people started trying to impose on everyone else their ideas of what TE is or isn't.
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Amen

[MNG Debo]

For the record, CDT did not beat us last round. So, did we win? Not quite, but in an important aspect we did.

LE Total NS Loss: 120,856.54
CDT Total NS Loss: 127,660.06

Why didn't I post this last round...because I was busy in that part of the round, which also explains my lack of presence in your DoW thread. After having a slight statistical disadvantage and not to mention getting hit by the initial blitz, LE came back hard. Look at it however you want, but in the end it was a good fight and that's all we wanted.


You keep assuming that LE wants revenge in this war. Take a look at your DoW thread last round. Any whining or anger coming from our side? Of course not because there was nothing to complain about. Why would LE want revenge?

Your only proof is Bacon's one liner. Doesn't tell much of a revenge story especially when CDT's DoW thread comes into play. "return the favor"? Return a good fight, perhaps? It could have many interpretations when used in a nonspecific way, both good or bad.


And yes, Abyss is not CDT. We get it now. Now move along...

[Son of Taeper]

[quote name='ReadyFireAIm' date='13 July 2010 - 02:47 PM' timestamp='1279028851' post='2369279']
Things are different when you have to lead an alliance. Even as one of three government members. What you see as whining (since you are part of the attacking party), I see as making sure the reasons for war are made public. This is a union between flag chasers (NB) and a guy who wants revenge for stuff done last round. Go ahead and keep denying Bacon or your other leaders have not targeted us because of stuff some of our members did last round in a different aa. He's already provided enough evidence that LE is involved partly because of stuff done last round. IT happens. War happens.
[/quote]
That hurts.
Bacon at no stage suggested a revenge attack.
I should also point out that Kong is not part of any attacking party (check his stats).
Most guys would have noticed him by now if he got an invite.

If there is a flag chaser, then what?
We all get what we want from the game

[kongland]

That's right
LE Cadets didn't attack THE ABYSS. We are a different alliance, you know...

[Ernsters]

I came to TE to fight and spend a good 'ol time with my bro's in LE. When CDT blitzed us last round, you didn't hear any whining from us, we accepted the blitz and did our best to counter anf ight on (and we did pretty darn well, looking at Debo's stats). LE's never looking for someone to simply curbstomp, we look for an uphill battle, or at least a fair fight, because we like testing the odds. Yeah, this war we did bring friends, but only because we like fighting, not getting curbstomped by an alliance twice our size.

Of course, everyone [i]does[/i] play the game differently, some play it for their AA (like me), some chase flags, and others, whine when they get blitzed.

o/ LE
o/ NB
o/ The Abyss warriors.
o/ to everyone that likes a good fight in TE.

[Dexomega]

[quote name='MNG Debo' date='13 July 2010 - 01:54 PM' timestamp='1279047263' post='2369467']LE Total NS Loss: 120,856.54
CDT Total NS Loss: 127,660.06[/quote]

My stats seem to remember us with almost 10,000 NS less than what you state here. It is also noteworthy that no LE nation was above 3k last I knew. It is ALSO noteworthy that LE had more Anarchy. It is ALSO ALSO noteworthy that most of our anarchies were inactives and people offline at blitz.

Back on topic of THIS round. I still don't get why you people think this is a "fair" fight in any way. Sure, Abyss has some pretty sweet people on our side, but in the end, adding NB and LE's scores at update lands you somewhere around 29 score. Aside from that you are complaining about our so-called "Infrahugging" even though NB has more high-Infra nations than us.

I think someone was drunk when they began this war since this war is based on no actual standing, just a bunch of people zerg rushing a new alliance because it's fun. I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I enjoy war. I'm just saying that your entire war agenda is void. If you want to have war, don't invent reasons.

[Grags]

[quote name='Dexomega' date='13 July 2010 - 06:32 PM' timestamp='1279060345' post='2369748']
My stats seem to remember us with almost 10,000 NS less than what you state here. It is also noteworthy that no LE nation was above 3k last I knew. It is ALSO noteworthy that LE had more Anarchy. It is ALSO ALSO noteworthy that most of our anarchies were inactives and people offline at blitz.

Back on topic of THIS round. I still don't get why you people think this is a "fair" fight in any way. Sure, Abyss has some pretty sweet people on our side, but in the end, adding NB and LE's scores at update lands you somewhere around 29 score. Aside from that you are complaining about our so-called "Infrahugging" even though NB has more high-Infra nations than us.

I think someone was drunk when they began this war since this war is based on no actual standing, just a bunch of people zerg rushing a new alliance because it's fun. I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I enjoy war. I'm just saying that your entire war agenda is void. If you want to have war, don't invent reasons.
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[size="7"]yawn[/size]

Can we just fight now??? If you beat us last round, just do it again. Anyone in the Abyss can fee free to take your frustrations out on my pixels.

[ReadyFireAIm]

[quote name='MNG Debo' date='13 July 2010 - 01:54 PM' timestamp='1279047263' post='2369467']
For the record, CDT did not beat us last round. So, did we win? Not quite, but in an important aspect we did.

LE Total NS Loss: 120,856.54
CDT Total NS Loss: 127,660.06

Why didn't I post this last round...because I was busy in that part of the round, which also explains my lack of presence in your DoW thread. After having a slight statistical disadvantage and not to mention getting hit by the initial blitz, LE came back hard. Look at it however you want, but in the end it was a good fight and that's all we wanted.


You keep assuming that LE wants revenge in this war. Take a look at your DoW thread last round. Any whining or anger coming from our side? Of course not because there was nothing to complain about. Why would LE want revenge?

Your only proof is Bacon's one liner. Doesn't tell much of a revenge story especially when CDT's DoW thread comes into play. "return the favor"? Return a good fight, perhaps? It could have many interpretations when used in a nonspecific way, both good or bad.


And yes, Abyss is not CDT. We get it now. Now move along...
[/quote]

Look, you may think this war is not about revenge for last round. But Bacon has made it very clear he equates CDT to Abyss, and sees this as revenge for last round.

[quote][00:59] <+Bacon[LE]> think what you want. You guys arent avoiding a major war for 80% of the round this time
[00:59] <%Dexomega[USN]> WHO DOES THAT?
[00:59] <~crazypeople> haha
[00:59] <~crazypeople> what?!?
[00:59] <~crazypeople> again?
[01:00] <~crazypeople> this is a new alliance dude
[01:00] <+Bacon[LE]> CDT is where you're from[/quote]

Your alliance members may have been civil throughout last round during the war. But your current leader definitely had the CDT-LE war in mind when he planned this one.

I've been playing this game for a long time, and I was around when LE was still a very small alliance, and when Genesis merged with LE to create a very strong, active, and powerful alliance. Things have not been good the past few rounds. Yet, people still admired LE for defying all odds and going after alliances much larger than them (OP vs LE 3 rounds ago, TPC vs LE 2 rounds ago). Lately, you guys have sought curbstomps. You would rather preserve victory rather than challenge yourselves. How things have changed.

[LincolnC]

Grudges shouldn't carry over from round to round, hence why we have a [i]reset[/i].

Bringing in things from another round is simply a poor reflection on character and very disappointing in my eyes. Please, take that kind of behavior to CN:SE where things don't reset.

[Frostfirefox]

I must agree with [size="7"]yawn[/size]

Hard to converse with someone who bathes in ignorance, ReadyFireAim.

Fight or Die. Propaganda won't solve it.