Son of Taeper

SoT has swapped out alliances to get OP stats up to show good intention towards OP. He has also multied in an attempt to get a game ban (but obviously has no idea how to multi as he has not been banned) I don't know what else I can do guys. I never tried to hide my multi, in fact I went out of my way to get a round ban, even tried the slot fill route. Moderation is required here I think because my only other option would be to bad mouth someone big time and that is not my style as I do need to respect our younger members. Moderation ban please?

[quote name='paul711' timestamp='1290466813' post='2520631'] This whole thing has blown completely out of proportion, and to be honest there is enough blame to go around on both sides. Communicating over the internet eliminates a huge part of human communication, non verbal facial expressions and hand gestures, simple black and white words are often times taken by one person the wrong way and things can spiral out of control fairly rapidly. Often times the only people we tend to react with more often than not are the ones within our AAs and we tend to view others opinions as wrong, I too am guilty of that as well as I am sure others are, we see our side as the correct and the others as wrong. I guess the reason for my monologue is that I have forgotten some of these things. I would like to extend an apology to LE members and to Son of Taeper if I have offended any them. I will try to remeber that there are actual people on the other side, and if we take the time I am sure both OP and LE can begin to mend our broken fences and move forward.I only hope that others feel as I do and we can bury this nonsensical feud that we have, move forward and remember that this is just a game something we all do to relax. [/quote] Bring it Paul. I'd love to keep fighting OP if we can keep some of it off OWF. My bar is always open to you if you're ever down my way. LE have my number and email address.

[quote name='unruly' timestamp='1290584614' post='2521983'] As an example, if you "sanction misunderstandings", then one can be punishing or forgiving misunderstandings. It might even have a third meaning in Queen's English. [/quote] Queens English is tricky to explain to anyone that does not understand the basic rules. Some English people even have a problem with it I have always tried to appreciate the differences in nationalities of the guys I speak to in TE and tend to respond in a manner I think they would understand. I could respond to your post in a manner of ways dependent on my perception of both you and your location, but you have used both the words "you" and "one" in your post. From that, I would deduce you are not English, but quoting a Queens English explanation on the meaning of the word "sanction" When one uses the word "one", it leaves a bit open, when one uses the word "you" , it takes on a more personal nature. That would require a basic understanding of course and the moment another guy responded to your post, you have lost it if they assume you are having a dig because they read it a different way.

[quote name='paul711' timestamp='1290537065' post='2521297'] Taeper, I am trying to extend my hand in freindship and end this petty feud. Will you not accept it? I wrote in my last post how internet communication often times is taken by one party to mean something totally different than it was intended. You are right you tried to pay us a compliment and I made a snide remark, I apologize again. [/quote] No worries Paul, I thought I had already offered my hand of friendship. LE may have stood a chance against OP alone but the OP hidden stuff was superior. It's obviously going to impact on the outcome and is a superb tactic. OB use different tactics so that was the nail for LE. I'd buy you a drink in Real Life any day as I think we are sort of like minds. It is a war game and the better side will always win. In this case the better side was OP and OB, so much respect to both. LE could take note of the importance of spy and war chests for sure imo,

[quote name='paul711' timestamp='1290439829' post='2520318'] So you basically brought a knife to a gun fight and are now complaining that you got shot. [/quote] I always thought my English was OK but perhaps you are losing a bit in the translation process. Perhaps you are just insistent on disagreement though? I thought I made it clear that LE took a knife to a gun fight. That would be called an updec and you would be the first to complain if it was a downdec I don't recall complaining about the outcome, just stating that that is the tactic OP uses and it is a very good tactic to my mind . I recall posting to LE boards a round or 2 back how good it was. The thread was entitled "What went Wrong" for any LE guys interested. Seems you can't even take praise when it's offered. Nice dec on me btw, If you don't actually fight you are aware you are likely a Mod warning for slot filling?

[quote name='paul711' timestamp='1290439829' post='2520318'] So you basically brought a knife to a gun fight and are now complaining that you got shot. [/quote] I always thought my English was OK but perhaps you are losing a bit in the translation process. Perhaps you are just insistent on disagreement though? I thought I made it clear that LE took a knife to a gun fight. That would be called an updec and you would be the first to complain if it was a downdec I don't recall complaining about the outcome, just stating that that is the tactic OP uses and it is a very good tactic to my mind . I recall posting to LE boards a round or 2 back how good it was. The thread was entitled "What went Wrong" for any LE guys interested. Seems you can't even take praise when it's offered. Nice dec on me btw, If you don't actually fight you are aware you are likely a Mod warning for slot filling?

[quote name='Owney OSullivan' timestamp='1290419969' post='2520183'] Looks like Pork Shrimp may have been expecting an attack. Well-played on the quick counter guys. Have fun, everyone! o/ Ruckdoll! [/quote] And OP are ever quick to put PS up by stating they saw it coming. Classic OP move to put an alliance down while pretending to support them. Who ever said OP and Duckroll were not the same alliance

[quote name='StevieG' timestamp='1290407894' post='2520106'] War kinda involves being on at update, LOL, who knows what happened. [/quote] A roll might involve being active over update but war does not. I'm not saying it was a roll, just pointing out stuff. I think it's common knowledge my feelings by now on both Duckroll and OP and have to admit they both have a very good grasp of the game. Our differences may exist for a long time, but I think the war planning is so close to what I've been saying is the correct approach is uncanny. PS have my best regards on this one .

[quote name='lazaraus45' timestamp='1290371679' post='2519294'] not if you have a decent warchest, and anyone without a decent warchest 30 days in must have no idea what they're doing [/quote] I think I made it clear in a previous post that OP were hiding behind a decent warchest so why go over that point when I'm agreeing with you? My point is that OP hide behind a massive warchest so no matter the outcome of a dec, they can defend it either as a down dec that they lost or won, or an updec they lost or won. Very clever indeed as spy and warchests are not counted in NS so they can build to order to suit the circumstance and then spin the stats dependent on the outcome. An example on day two of a round is where one can have between 3 and 1300 NS. The 1300 nation can declare @ NS 3 and build to 1300 in about 10 minutes if required. The NS 3 nation then has the option to spend their cash as they see fit in order to counter so what is the first option for the NS 3 nation.? Panic and buy huge defence might work but there is the chance he forgets the correct order and even though his bills at start of war may be about $20, and he has reserves of $1.000,000, there is a chance he cannot pay his bills because he collects or pays, or buys stuff at the wrong time. Back to the LE/OP war, I like to fight 3 targets in war but I only had two assigned to my squad. I was the weakest of my squad and even after both of my squad mates had dropped the targets into A, the targets were still way too large for me and I knew I was going to lose every one of my fights. That did not stop me declaring though even when it was obvious our whole squad would be in A within 24 hours as none of us had nukes and we were fighting a nation with 5 nukes and a HNMS. I think you need to know your enemy in war and our squad knew from the upstart that we were never going to win. No size of warchest would defend against those odds. That is an uphill fight and I'm proud to say I was part of it.

[quote name='lazaraus45' timestamp='1290355869' post='2519083'] but how would he be in bill lock? i thought the only war you guys have fought is with TPC/RE before this? if that was enought to bill lock you i think SF might be good take a shot at you next round [/quote] You can bill lock yourself in about 10 seconds even if you're not at war my friend. TPC and RE don't much come into it imo as they have their own ways of building. PS also had a specific way of building a while back. OP have used a different tactic for a while now that keeps their NS low so they look weak from the outside, but the strength is in cash and spies which they use at the last minute as required. I wouldn't call it cheating as it is within game rules to have a nation that can build to twice it's perceived size in a matter of minutes.

[quote name='Thomasj_tx' timestamp='1290287333' post='2518402'] He collected 2 days after you attacked and has been turtleing every since. Now who is "too pig stupid"? [/quote] Guess it has to be you unless we had a game update. Everyone knows it's possible to make a collection on a daily basis. That does not mean one can pay their bills now does it.? Could be a reason they call it bill lock and not collection lock. Are you new to TE? I could point out the bill lock scenario for you if required or maybe another OP member could point out how stupid your post is.

[quote name='paul711' timestamp='1290225812' post='2517955'] Hmmm...The message I sent you has been deleted as of this morning but I posted on our IRC channel when one of the guys you are fighting asked what was going on with your AA tag. 01[23:08] <&paul711> To: Son of Taeper From: paul711 Date: 11/18/2010 1:05:49 PM 01[23:08] <&paul711> Subject: surrender 01[23:08] <&paul711> Message: We will only accept your surrender if you change your AA tag to OP Pow, otherwise attacks will continue unabated. One question, why is your round leader turtleing? 01[23:08] <&paul711> yes destroy him [23:08] <+arch3004> ok good As you can see this is by no means an invitation to join OP. The other message was a link to our forums to see how we feel about you and what you must put in your bio as part of any peace between LE and OP. I put the same link on TPC's IRC channel on Tuesday where everyone could see it and I don't see Adude, Stevie, and Confusion and the others who were on it and saw the link claiming it to be an invite to join our AA. Let me sum up yours and LE leadership's actions in this round to date thus far. You bullied a person for a legitimate raid, you tried to attck RE, and Balan makes a braggin post about how many anarchies LE had gotten on RE, but got beat up by TPC. You personally ghosted RE and sent out fake targets to RE members. Your leadership attcked OP because of a personal grudge, despite assurances that we had no intention of attacking LE this round. Now you personally ghost us and try to spin it in some crazy manner that you were invited to join OP when everyone knows we can't stand you. Your leader DevilDog, gave the order for the war, is now turtleing. I have alot of respect for most of the members of LE but your actions and those of DD and Balan leave much in doubt. [/quote] Seems strange you delete what messages you want to and keep those you don't Everyone knows I don't touch IRC which is why I asked for everything to be posted on OWF. Facts correct please, I did not try to attack RE, that was an LE decision. Balan is his own man, if he want's to brag that is his own choice but I never saw his post a brag so much as a fact. LE round leader turtleing? Had you considered he may be bill locked or are you too pig stupid to figure that.? Fake messages? I think the game disallows them, take it up with moderation when you get some balls. Why are you trying to bring the TPC attack in here? It was a good attack by them and not a single LE member complained On the personal grudge point, I have had to put up with 3 rounds of !@#$e from Pauls mouth so best not go there had we? I think I mentioned in a previous post that the moment I left LE you would pick on another LE member and it's good to see you prove me right by having a dig at DevilDog and Balan. Your final line is one hell of a joke. You have no respect for LE at all going by your previous posts. You need to see your high horse for the donkey it is. Do the right thing and leave OP. I showed you the way forward by removing myself from LE after 14 rounds, I like to think you are man enough to remove yourself from OP after 6.

I took the precaution of sending a copy of the post I got asking me to apply to OP to the LE officer boards As yet, I have had no ghosting PM from OP and nor would I expect one as the request to join OP made by was made by Paul. Are you saying his word is not good enough and I threw away 5 good trades for nothing? Is that the way OP play now or is it just Paul? I have gone out of my way to keep you guys happy for 3 rounds and all I had back is 3 rounds of !@#$e from OP leadership. If you want me to leave OP you only have to ask but you have put me in a tricky spot here because one minute I'm asked to join OP and the next minute I'm accused of lowering OP stats by joining. Do OP have a leader I can talk to because this Paul guy is doing my head in and you are not helping matters.

[quote name='paul711' timestamp='1290175337' post='2517361'] If we are such a total bore, why did you change your tag to OP yesterday? [/quote] I never said OP were a bore did I? As stated in my post, you asked me to join OP. Sent me the link no Did I missread your pm? Hope not because I just swapped all my trades out.

[quote name='paul711' timestamp='1290128729' post='2516967'] Clash, you got the official stats yet? Please take off 1 anarchy as SoT is ghosting us now, we sent him a message on the proper ettiquette for surrendering. [/quote] I think most should see by now that no matter what I do you will never be happy. Perhaps that is how you got rid of Jim Kong? I do need to say I found you a total bore the last 3 rounds but in favor of OP, I would say the amount of crap you managed to spout off and get defended by OP is second to none so much respect to OP on that front. I thank you for the kind offer to join OP but that will never happen so I guess you just need to find another guy to spout crap at. LE are welcome to it, but there is only so much I could do for them so I've gone freelance and you can spout off as much crap as you like now and I won't defend them. Happy now or will you continue to insist OP do not hold grudge wars round on round? Edit- As for your PM asking me why the LE round Leader turtled on his wars, I can't explain. Perhaps you could ask him direct as from my recollection, in the past, LE do not turtle. He is ex SoA which may have something to do with it as they fight a little differently to old school LE. That was way back though when LE defended every member opposed to what we have now where a 3 man non nuclear enabled team are sent in to attack a nation with 5 nukes and a HNMS. Can't think who dreamt that one up or approved the war plan. Hoorah

[quote name='grandmonarch' timestamp='1289963736' post='2515603'] So the only team that has used sanctions so far is also the safest? Hmmmm... interesting. ... You think we are being racist? [/quote] I'm talking team color my friend but even if I wasn't you should not confuse color prejudice with racial prejudice

Such a good further post from King James but some is hard to implement. For my part, I never tech attack a nation already in A. Some guys do I'm sure. I never knowingly piggyback. Again some guys do (and even make a point of it over reset when the target must already have been in A) One of those guys has the cheek to post on this thread but I won't point him out until next time he makes a bad raid. He knows who he is I'm sure and he normally uses the same alliance mate to raid with

[quote name='paul711' timestamp='1289947291' post='2515174'] You personally know I tried to get along, but I can't help it how your leaders wish to lead LE. Might I add that we were at war with Canada [/quote] I think we only need to read through your posts to see how much you tried to get along. As for OP being at war with Canada I think we covered that point. There is no such alliance, This guy, http://tournament.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=1001757 is all that comes up when we do a search for Canada. I can't see why OP would ask for the help of RE to fight him but OP leadership obviously saw him as a major threat. TE waited 6 days to see an attack after the OP DoW. Guess it takes a bit of planning but Jim would never have done it that way. Btw, what happened to Jim? Did he get fed up listening to your constant whinging as well?

[quote name='Thomasj_tx' timestamp='1289941678' post='2515053'] SoT, I thought that this was going to be a fun fight,as FarFromPukin indicated, but it looks like you just have to make comments about things that you are clueless over. Why am I not surprised? And please expound on how OP has "gone wayward? [/quote] I guess it was going to be a fun fight but once again the first OP post in the thread dictated otherwise so perhaps you could go back and read it before you start boring people with baseless unfounded drivel.

[quote name='paul711' timestamp='1289937723' post='2514962'] So you are trying to mix the words of one individual with another and create drama. Lets just fight and leave the talking to others, but if you must I will remind you that OB is 7 days removed from a war, it just seems so Un-LE like to hit someone so closely removed from a conflict. [/quote] I think you will find two of the references were to your posts and the 3rd was another OP post so not much drama there. We are all just out of wars my friend, Cadet, LE OB, RE. Only guys that are not just out of war are OP. They hid behind a joint dec 5 days ago http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=94555. but TE are getting bored waiting for the attack to come so it may appear to many as an infra hug. That said, would you say OB couldn't fight back? They sure did a better job than OP so far so much respect to them. Don't know why I reply tbh. OP were a fine alliance under JimKong but it seems to have gone wayward.

I'm a bit lost here. One minute LE are accused of stomping, the next minute LE are given a [quote]guarentee[/quote] (not my spelling) of glowing. So OP see it as not only a fair fight, but one where they have the upper hand? And that would be without the [quote]Comatose[/quote] alliance or will they do do even more? No disrespect to OB here, I'm just checking back through the thread to see how OB were described by OP. Team colors? Tricky but I would never suggest black was a bad color . One of the safest colors imo. Suggestion that guys might take against you because of your color Not where I live but I'm sure some may have an issue with it.

[quote]Not dead more like comatose'd. [/quote] No OB members have left since the DoW. We could compare that to an alliance twice their size. OB are also half the size of OP but OB managed 12 outgoing attacks compared to 4 from OP although OB have more of its nations in A. OB also did next to no OWF whinging compared to OP which shows they fight with their boots rather than their mouths Comatose'd? Rather a rude statement to my mind considering the effort they are putting in while certain guys bad mouth them on OWF Much respect to OB.

I had said I won't post on owf again but a nice idea that TPC have laid out on more than one occasion and seems to work well with most of us. The original poster (I would have written OP but did not want to cause confusion) made some very valid points to my mind. Without pointing fingers, it would be nice to see tech raids against vulnerable nations kept as 1 on 1 rather than 2 on 1.

[quote name='Mikeyrox' timestamp='1287008650' post='2483899'] 50% of 5449 NS would be 2724.5 NS, which is the lowest he could have possibly declared if he had a NS level of 5499. Therefor he could not possibly have attacked a nation with 2301 NS. I don't know anything about that war, or whether or not anyone declared down, but Thomas is right, the numbers you gave do not add up within the game mechanics. [/quote] Judge for yourself Mikeyrox, I cannot fudge the TE hyperlinks. Seems he bagged the sort of NS that I did (although granted, he would have been twice the size of the nation he declared on)

[quote name='paul711' timestamp='1287013277' post='2483963'] Does this mean you won't support my app if I apply to LE? [/quote] I wouldn't try to block it if that's what you are asking. Anyway, I'm out of town that day. On my return I would be more than happy to process you