Airforce Damage from Nuke Incorrect

[enderland]

Yesterday I was nuked and had 85 airplanes remaining which means I lost 20 AF.

This is not possible to be correct in almost any manner.

I have:

FAB

7 aircraft carriers

FSS

The most logical assumption is that the AC bonus is incorrect (aka giving a bonus for all 7 carriers instead of just 5), but that still does not provide the correct number of planes being destroyed, as it would be (.75 * .75 * (105 - 20 - 5*7) ) = 28.125 planes. Using the 50% number provided in the nuclear report, I still only lose 25 planes, again incorrect.

Somehow this is being calculated incorrectly. I honestly do not know how, as the number is wrong. Perhaps both the AC is incorrect, as well as a 40% instead of 50% number? I cannot really reverse engineer this one >.<

[Count Rupert]

Well, you're indicating a FSS, so the nuke losses to aircraft is 25% not 50%. As I recall, losses from nukes does not include your carrier based aircraft. You started with 105 aircraft and since you have over 5 carriers, that's 25 aircraft not affected meaning you have 80 aircraft left to be affected by the nuke. 80*.25 = 20, the number of aircraft you lost.

[enderland]

Well, you're indicating a FSS, so the nuke losses to aircraft is 25% not 50%. As I recall, losses from nukes does not include your carrier based aircraft. You started with 105 aircraft and since you have over 5 carriers, that's 25 aircraft not affected meaning you have 80 aircraft left to be affected by the nuke. 80*.25 = 20, the number of aircraft you lost.

I have an FAFB too so that is another 20 planes that are immune, and according to the battle report I got it says 50% aircraft destroyed. I was under the impression that the two 75% figures stacked, however, neither set of percentages are accurate.

It's 75% planes destroyed without FSS, 50% with.

[Count Rupert]

It's 75% planes destroyed without FSS, 50% with.

yes, you're right. I misread the index description on the FSS. Long day.

[uaciaut]

well the way it would it up would be ammount lost = total planes - base*0.25/0.5 - carriers*5 - FAFB ammount.

Where base = 50 w/o construction and 60 with and 0.75/0.5 is FSS dependent.

So it would be for you 20 = 105 - 30 - 35 - 20 (which obviously checks out :V )

Dunno if this is the right one though, just speculation.

Edited June 11, 2009 by uaciaut

[Count Rupert]

well the way it would it up would be ammount lost = total planes - base*0.75/0.5 - carriers*5 - FAFB ammount.

Where base = 50 w/o construction and 60 with and 0.75/0.5 is FSS dependent.

So it would be for you 20 = 105 - 30 - 35 - 20 (which obviously checks out :V )

Dunno if this is the right one though, just speculation.

That doesn't look right. One, that would mean someone without the FSS would be 105-45-25-20 = 15 which is less lost aircraft than with the FSS which isn't right. And a nation like mine with 8 carriers and no FSS would be 105-45-40-20 = 0 wouldn't take any losses at all. Then there's this from the Information Index that only seems to add to the mystery.

reduce defending aircraft by 75% (aircraft supported by the Foreign Airforce Base wonder and aircraft carriers are reduced at a lower percentage),

This seems to imply that the FAFB and carrier based aircraft are not immune but take losses at an even lower percentage. But that doesn't seem right either.

[Dogestan]

all of that is posible but take their advice for it

[uaciaut]

That doesn't look right. One, that would mean someone without the FSS would be 105-45-25-20 = 15 which is less lost aircraft than with the FSS which isn't right. And a nation like mine with 8 carriers and no FSS would be 105-45-40-20 = 0 wouldn't take any losses at all. Then there's this from the Information Index that only seems to add to the mystery.

It's .25, not .75; sorry for the mistake, it was quite late for me when i posted that D:

[enderland]

bump

[admin]

I think you may be forgetting this:

Nuclear weapons are extremely devastating to nations being attacked by them. Nuclear weapons completely reduce the number of defending soldiers for a defending nation to zero (50% Survival if the defending nations has the Fallout Shelter System wonder), cause great amounts of cruise missile, tanks, land, technology and infrastructure losses (35% each up to a base limit before the techbonus of 150 land, 150 infrastructure, and 50 technology), reduce defending aircraft by 75% (aircraft supported by the Foreign Airforce Base wonder and aircraft carriers are reduced at a lower percentage), reduce defending Corvettes, Landing Ships, Cruisers, and Frigates by 25%, and cause population happiness to plummet for a period of 5 days after a nuclear attack. Nuclear weapons may not be launched until after 24 hours after declaring war.

[enderland]

I think you may be forgetting this:

Well, assuming that the percentage was 0% damage (which would result in the lowest amount of planes being lost)

105 - (5 * 5 + 20) = 60 nuclear vulnerable planes (those supported by carriers/FAB are reduced at a zero percent rate)

This means that you would lose (with FSS)

60 * .75 * .75 = 33.75 aircraft

Or perhaps it is this (I'm not sure how the FSS modifier is applied)

60 * .50 = 30

Either way it is a lot more than the 20 I lost so somewhere something is messed up.

Even if the extra AF are supported from the two extra carriers, you get

50 * .75 *.75 = 28.125

or

50 * .50 = 25

Both of which are also not equal to 20 :s

[enderland]

It is possible to get the number of 20 if construction, every carrier, and the FAB protect the aircraft -

You would have 105 - (10 + 7*5 + 20) = 40 nuclear vulnerable aircraft, and then doing 50% damage to them would result in 20, but I doubt this is how it is coded

[admin]

Just accept that aircraft supported by the Foreign Airforce Base wonder and aircraft carriers are reduced at a lower percentage. That's what is going on here.

You can figure out the equations on your own.