Malatose Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 [quote name='Kankou' timestamp='1334974657' post='2956347'] One hundred thousand troops in less than two~three days? Do I see something wrong here? After Centurius using my example of 60% per country shootdown rate as a godmod, I'm pretty sure the above RP is a bit into the "power overwhelming ruler of the universe" range. [/quote] 1. I don't see how it'll take that long to deploy one hundred thousand troops in a combined land and sea operation. Not to mention, the distance isnt that great. Plus you're forgetting one thing, I started deployments as soon as the rebellion started. I could downgrade deployments to 70,000 but that's as low as I'll go 2. Intercepting your ICBMs wouldn't be much of an issue. Germany and Sweden are right next to eachother. I can see practically see everything you're doing, in regards to ICBM launches. I could have even intercepted them in the boost phase, but I chose not to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kankou Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Malatose' timestamp='1334976039' post='2956353'] 1. I don't see how it'll take that long to deploy one hundred thousand troops in a combined land and sea operation. Not to mention, the distance isnt that great. Plus you're forgetting one thing, I started deployments as soon as the rebellion started. I could downgrade deployments to 70,000 but that's as low as I'll go[/quote] More of how you managed to get all the supplies to get those troops as well-armed as you did. [quote name='Malatose' timestamp='1334976039' post='2956353']2. Intercepting your ICBMs wouldn't be much of an issue. Germany and Sweden are right next to eachother. I can see practically see everything you're doing, in regards to ICBM launches. I could have even intercepted them in the boost phase, but I chose not to. [/quote] It's over 850 km from Pomerania to the southern edge of former Nordheim (southern Jämtland County). I'm pretty sure you can't really attack missiles in boost phase from that far a distance. In fact, I've been pretty tolerant of the same old ignoring of RL distances for your Valhalla missiles, but this is getting [i]slightly[/i] ridiculous. Furthermore, this is the high atmosphere area EMP bursts which you use. 70% I can perhaps just shrug off, but 96%? Edited April 21, 2012 by Kankou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Enema Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 His numbers are more realistic than your assertion that you moved an entire fleet by sail out of Scanadinavia and down to the Netherlands without him noticing. Or did he notice. Time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kankou Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 (edited) Requesting [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=110327&view=findpost&p=2956430"]10 nuclear rolls[/url] from TSS. Edited April 21, 2012 by Kankou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted April 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 [quote name='Kankou' timestamp='1334984405' post='2956435'] Requesting [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=110327&view=findpost&p=2956430"]10 nuclear rolls[/url] from TSS. [/quote] Not how it works, you get whichever GM feels like rolling. And the rolls are requested by the attacked due to the chance of multiple rolls being involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triyun Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 (edited) By unanimous GM Decision I'm doing the SDIs. Per usual methodology Low is good, high is bad. 1-60 Defended 61-100 HIT Swedish Nuclear Attacks: Naval Missiles 69 Kreigsmarine - HIT 82 Kreigsmarine - HIT 7 Berlin - Shot down 9 Regensburg - Shot down 35 Munich - Shot Down 32 Vienna - Shot down 53 Rome - Shot Down 45 Athens- Shot Down 36 - Pearl Harbor - Shot Down 92 68 - Pearl Harbor -*HIT* Tianxia Nuclear Attacks on Sweden: Manneligia -62 HIT Mannaelgia 2 - 34 Shot Down Solenländerna- 65 HIT Solenländerna 70 HIT Stockholm 1- 73 HIT Stockholdm 2 - 87 HIT Edit: Athenian Nuclear Attack on Sweden: 18- Shot Down 53- Shot Down 16- Shot Down Edit 2: Malatose Nuclear attack on Sweden: Nuclear attack on Swedish Navy: 57 66 One Miss One Hit 95- Hit Stockholm 46- Miss Gotenborg 82 - Hit Malmo 76- Hit Uppsala 77- Hit Västerås 25- Miss Örebro 6- Miss Linköping 68- Hit Helsingborg 38- Miss Norrköping 55- Miss Lund 30- Miss Umeå, 46- Miss Gävle 81- Hit Troops 29- Miss Gotenborg Edit: Man this random.org sure is clustered this morning In Summary ally targets hit: Pearl Harbor, Kreigsmarine Swedish Targets hit: Field Army, Swedish Navy, Helsingborg, Malmo, Upsala, Vasteras, Stockholm (Thrice), Manniligia, Solenländerna (Twice) Edited April 21, 2012 by Triyun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 Errr, unanimous or not, pretty sure an uninvolved GM is supposed to do those things? But lol, indeed, those seem some pretty strange results... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triyun Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 Too bad, any GM can roll (for the record I didn't ask to roll they told me I should when I got on this morning). Besides its quite hard to argue I was being unfair, when I'm the only ally who took a nuke and all of Cents and most of Vektors nukes missed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 I'm not arguing that with those results, trust me. Just reminding your fellow GM's of this should they try to foist it on you again in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kankou Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 I'm pretty sure during the Greater Korean it was only unrelated GMs could roll unless given permission/request by the either launcher/target, depending on the sides. What a coincidence that went out the window. BTW, logs/pm threads to satisfy my curiosity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triyun Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 [quote]You were promoted to operator by ChanServ. [10:54am] Centyrion_Lannister: Triyun you should do the rolls [10:54am] VektorZero: roll [10:54am] Centyrion_Lannister: Shammy already agreed [10:54am] VektorZero: roll [10:54am] VektorZero: roll [10:55am] Triyun: OK [10:55am] Triyun: for all [10:55am] Centyrion_Lannister: yeah [10:55am] Triyun: ? [10:55am] Triyun: [10:55am] Triyun: hang on[/quote] There are the logs for when I signed on this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted April 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 GMs are always presumed to be unbiased, in the past GMs have themselves decided to withhold from rolling. This however has never been a rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShammySocialist Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 I don't see any reason that Triyun couldn't perform the nuke rolls, nor do not believe there needs to be any insinuations of bias made. If there is a next round of rolls to be made, and I am available before the other GMs, I will do them, but random.org doesn't differentiate between GMs, and the numbers are what they are. But if further insinuations persist, I will do them, to avoid the OOC headache for the rest of the GM contingent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kankou Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=110327&view=findpost&p=2956636 It would be nice if Dent did it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShammySocialist Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 [quote name='Kankou' timestamp='1335029947' post='2956639'] http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=110327&view=findpost&p=2956636 It would be nice if Dent did it. [/quote] 1-60 Intercepted/Fail | 61-100 Hit Berlin 1 - 32 Regensburg 1 - 73 Berlin 2 - 91 Regensburg 2 - 43 Two Hits, Two Interceptions Kankou also elected in IRC to waive off any defense of the nukes being launched by the Athenian Federation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 Not trying to insinuate, silly, I'm trying to ensure there are none in the future, at least on this issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted April 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 Nukes on Nordland: 76 91 94 Three hits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malatose Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 (edited) There seems to be a small issue. Somehow, out of nowhere, there are 100,000 rebel troops from Sweden in Norway. But how is this possible? They somehow teleported behind my troops? as I had troops in the area fighting them. She ignored all my previous post to make such a move. But here is the fun part, I nuked those troops. So how are they still alive? [quote]The German troops were ordered to stand down and prepare for a nuclear strike on enemy positions. From another Kriegsmarine battlegroup, three hypersonic cruise missiles with 100KT warheads were launched towards enemy positions facing the Germans.[/quote] http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=110327&view=findpost&p=2956575 Can a GM please read this to clarify? I find this type of RP truly disturbing. Edit: incase someone tries to say I editted in those actions, the nukes were rolled earlier and they're posted in this thread. The editting was for the EMP strikes. Edited April 21, 2012 by Malatose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kankou Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/52/Scandinavia-mountains.png[/img] The mountains along the northern border between Norway and Sweden. Please tell me how you have enough troops to deal with 250k troops when you have what, 70k troops with most of them located elsewhere, as you said on IRC: [quote]14:03 Kuko how many troops were in Narvik, Vektor? 14:03 VektorZero[TOP] of mine? 14:03 Kuko yeah 14:03 Subtleknifewielder <Nyaruko> How can one be forced into it?----By having your nation rolled and everyone refusing to give you any more land. 14:04 Nyaruko I got rolled, but then I was occupied 14:04 Subtleknifewielder yes, but someone gave you more land 14:04 Kuko yeah, but you didn't get everyone dead 14:05 Nyaruko Subtle, no. I just stayed where I was and RPed occupied 14:05 VektorZero[TOP] not many, as I had deployed troops in the south, and middle towards Mo i rana and far north[/quote] Basically, the situation is that I have an wide-spread force coming down into a region that has little density of German troops, allowing most of the forces to bypass and get into the mountains and forests of Nordland. Three 100 kt bombs are going to barely make a dent in my positioning, and as I wrote, three 20 mt bombs would cover what, around 15~20% of where I would be by now? Again, I'm using geography against you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted April 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 [quote name='Kankou' timestamp='1335044575' post='2956784'] [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/52/Scandinavia-mountains.png[/img] The mountains along the northern border between Norway and Sweden. Please tell me how you have enough troops to deal with 250k troops when you have what, 70k troops with most of them located elsewhere, as you said on IRC: Basically, the situation is that I have an wide-spread force coming down into a region that has little density of German troops, allowing most of the forces to bypass and get into the mountains and forests of Nordland. Three 100 kt bombs are going to barely make a dent in my positioning, and as I wrote, three 20 mt bombs would cover what, around 15~20% of where I would be by now? Again, I'm using geography against you. [/quote] Small problem being that Owned also rp'd military action against you to keep you out. I'm inclined to agree with Vektor here, your moves do look a lot like metagaming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kankou Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 (edited) [quote name='Centurius' timestamp='1335047849' post='2956818'] Small problem being that Owned also rp'd military action against you to keep you out. I'm inclined to agree with Vektor here, your moves do look a lot like metagaming. [/quote] Incorrect. Owned-You has RPed only around the area of Bergen (far to the south, and the most he moved was [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=110327&view=findpost&p=2954596"]trying to get to Oslo[/url]), while I have referred to Nordland several times. I've been keeping tabs on the movements, and unfortunately, Malatose had spread himself too thin, never mind I don't really recognize his strange RPing of having moved thousands of SAMs to Norway in less than a week. Furthermore, I'm already in Nordland through my uncontested control of the Scandinavian mountains, and the battles between my forces and the Germans were happening in the parts of Nordland between the coast and the Norway-Swedish borders, thus having the troops in Nordland (although perhaps clarified as eastern) can't be disputed without changing prior posts. Edited April 21, 2012 by Kankou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malatose Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 [quote]In Norway, over 100,000 troops began going down the mountains to fight the Germans, while another 150,000 stayed behind to keep the back clear. [/quote] First, you did not mention specific directions. My tactical nuclear strike is in response to this post. You placed your troops in the open stating that soldiers were moving down the mountains. You did not mention any defensive postures, etc. You put them in the open yourself. Not my problem. So the issue remains. How do you go from moving down the mountainside to engage the Germans to appearing in Norway unattested? So my soldiers just decided to step aside and let you walk by? It doesn't make sense, but it's clear that you're metagaming to achieve better results. Not going to work. So no, I will not accept rebels generating all over the place like this is Hearts of Iron. [quote]Incorrect. Owned-You has RPed only around the area of Bergen (far to the south, and the most he moved was trying to get to Oslo), while I have referred to Nordland several times. I've been keeping tabs on the movements, and unfortunately, Malatose had spread himself too thin, never mind I don't really recognize his strange RPing of having moved thousands of SAMs to Norway in less than a week[/quote] False. You are not reading my post, obviously. I stated twice that I took over Norway's air defense network. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kankou Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 I am already in Nordland by having control of the mountains. Basic geography. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malatose Posted April 21, 2012 Report Share Posted April 21, 2012 [quote name='Kankou' timestamp='1335051864' post='2956847'] I am already in Nordland by having control of the mountains. Basic geography. [/quote] Negative. This is not Hearts of Iron. You are not in Nordland until you RP it. I'm sorry, but you can't just magically appear. Not to mention, you contradicted yourself. [quote]In Norway, over 100,000 troops began going down the mountains to fight the Germans, while another 150,000 stayed behind to keep the back clear. [/quote] So you moved out the mountains, but when you saw it didn't benefit you, you metagamed and teleported back into the mountains. This is getting ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kankou Posted April 22, 2012 Report Share Posted April 22, 2012 (edited) Let's see... 100,000 engaging Germans downhill, another 150,000 still up in the mountains spread around a 500 km long area. and assuming the first three 100 kt bombs hit, we still have at least 100,000 troops still up in the mountains while the fate of the other 100,000 troops (counting all casualties) may be that they're killed off by the megaton bombs. We would still have what, 50,000 troops still standing in the mountains? So if your main problem is with the single word Nordland, I'll change it to the Scandinavian mountains, although for the life of me I don't get why you're so stubborn as to throw out geography out the window as you usually do. Edited April 22, 2012 by Kankou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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