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[quote name='TehChron' timestamp='1320170217' post='2836547'] Sorry, Doch, what I'm saying is that [i]if Legion were to peace out Tetris, yet still fight us, the moment that the first one of their members did any damage to a member of the NSO would constitute an aggressive act of war on their part.[/i] When Tetris has been peaced out, the New Sith Order will no longer have anyone to defend. Therefore, we wouldn't be needing to honor our treaty with them in fighting the Legion. The Legion is free to reciprocate, but I believe the New Sith Order will be fine with a simple peacing out once the war with Tetris is completed. [/quote] Excuse me?????? [b]YOU[/b] attacked [b]US[/b]. How in the hell did you come up with [b]THIS[/b] harebrained theory???? Seriously, you guys have [b]GOT[/b] to share your supplier. No Scooby Snacks til you do, either. [quote name='TehChron' timestamp='1320170217' post='2836547'] You and others implied that mightily with all that talk of us keeping Tetris "on the cross" with us, or whatever the terminology used was. And even taking into account that Tetris is still fighting because we are (great guys, those), that doesn't really mean it's our fault. All that means is that Tetris are !@#$@#$ great allies that don't want to leave a friend on the battlefield. Quit trying to make this about the NSO having some kind of martyr complex, when everyone and their mother knows that it's just because we refuse to admit defeat to a terrible alliance like the Legion. If the Legion were so magnanimous, then they'd just white peace with us as well, so that way Tetris can get out from under fire. If I remember correctly, the ones that made this war about the NSO was the Legion. And the Legion started it by attacking Tetris in the first place. So, in all seriousness, how is any of this the fault of the New Sith Order, again? [/quote] Because, to you, the thought of surrendering to 'LOLegion' is so intolerable, you'll stay in it until you can spin public opinion around to change a defeat into a win. [b]YOU[/b] guys are the ones holding Tetris in the fire, not us.

[quote name='The Big Bad' timestamp='1320085213' post='2835849'] This is where Legion is setting its self up for a huge amount a failure. PR nightmare? Surrendering to Legion would be the worst PR ever. Calling in allies and either starting a huge war or watching as Legions allies sit on the side lines and watch it burn would be alot of peoples idea of a good time. The very fact the nobody leading Legion seems to have figured this out is baffling. Then again I could use a good war. [/quote] I'm just not seeing this. You think we haven't considered the implications of NSO calling in yet more allies? We have. We just haven't bothered sharing our feelings about it.

[quote name='MisterShadow' timestamp='1320086768' post='2835878'] -Krunk and RV are asked where they get their supply [/quote] Yeah, this is of extreme interest to me. I oughta ask our government to demand its disclosure as part of the peace terms. Course, I also want NSO to mow my lawn for the next year, but I ain't holding my breath for that...

This announcement makes me sad. I remember the IAA of old. Strong, hardcore allies who rode into the valley of death and didn't come out the other side. I remember Chim. Kinda miss him, too. Sorry you've come to this. Good luck in your endeavors.

[quote name='Heft' timestamp='1320036635' post='2835539'] I didn't say we were actively retaliating right this minute, since we clearly aren't, as you've noticed. We've been taking a more defensive posture for the last few days. Doesn't really change my point. [/quote] You mean, anybody not in PM is pretty much in anarchy. Gotcha. And everybody is turtling so infra losses are due to bombings & nukes & cms. Gotcha.

[quote name='Heft' timestamp='1320033042' post='2835503'] We are still able to fight, to absorb wars, to organize and retaliate. The NSO's strength chart has been fairly comparable, and usually better, performing than Legion's. It is expected that Legion would lose strength faster than just the NSO alone (although at this point it shouldn't be a very significant difference, and they have been focusing almost exclusively on us for weeks now). How people are twisting all this to try and act as if we have been soundly defeated is beyond me. It is fun to watch people accuse the NSO of distortion or pride or spin when we're the most honest people in the conversation. Projecting, much? [/quote] I just looked at the Legion war chart. Of the latest 40 combatants shown, as of 0038 EST, 1 declarer was Sith, 1 was Tetris, the remaining 38 were Legion. 1 in 40 declarations means you're retaliating??? No Scooby snacks for you! And FWIW, we were ordered to concentrate on Tetris and NSO since the beginning. We engaged IAA's attacking nations, BTA, & NsO more as targets of opportunity rather than a main priority.

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1320013440' post='2835240'] [color="#0000FF"]NSO will not be surrendering. There is nothing to understand. Until Legion is completely destroyed this fight will go on. The toll it takes on the Order is irrelevant. Simply because cowards such as your ilk would surrender at the first opportunity does not mean that the Sith will follow your poor example.[/color] [/quote] Best be packing a lunch there, fellah.

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1320008004' post='2835194'] [color="#0000FF"]From the start of this conflict the Legion, the purple wing of the New Polar Order, has been pushing Polaris's anti-NSO agenda in the peace talks. Talks which the NSO has no interest in. The war is far from over, and will not end until I feel Legion has been adequately destroy. Nonetheless Legion continues to push Polar's "surrender" agenda. The New Polar Order fails to realize that it is in no position to demand anything of us, and is on thin ice. Pun intended. Ha ha.[/color] [/quote] I'd love to know how you're going to pull off destroying 20K+ NS nations with a bunch of 2-5K NS anklebiters. Really. BTW, I keep forgetting to ask you, how [b]DID[/b] you lose 90% and more of your NS when none of your opponents did? And don't tell me 'nukes', they're not that damaging anymore, and besides, you can only get nuked once a day. For a supposed veteran with tons of experience, you sure don't know how to fight a war.

[quote name='Isaac MatthewII' timestamp='1319977562' post='2834973'] sooo common respect includes making one bend over and take it in the..... [/quote] Strange, but NSO is demanding we do just that. Couple things to keep in mind here. 1. Terms are handed down [b]by[/b] the victor, not [b]to[/b] the victor. 2. NSO/Tetris reinforcements at this time [b]will[/b] be derided as being 'late to the party'. Legion reinforcements after NSO's reinforcements will be seen as a logical response to bandwagonning. 3. Despite NSO's claim of overwhelming victory, take a close look at their TO. And look at some of those nations as well, specifically, their charts. Yeah, they're tearing our lowest tiers a new one. But ask yourself how a 2K NS nation gets nukes. When a 30K NS nation gets knocked down to under 3K (Hi, RV!), that tells me they don't know WTF they're doing, especially when their previous opponents, as seen in their war histories, are nowhere [b]near[/b] 2K NS. Remember, you can only take [b]ONE[/b] nuke a day. And nukes these days aren't as damaging as they were in the past. But don't let these facts get in the way of NSO's propaganda. That propaganda is propelling Legion morale to heights not seen since the UJW.

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1319935923' post='2834776'] [color="#0000FF"]There is indeed a large "useless element," as you call it. About 50 of Legion's nations (many of them quite large) have not fought at all in this war.[/color] [/quote] Lack of targets, I'm thinking. I have [b]yet[/b] to fight a defensive war in all this. Nobody on your side is close to me anymore after Round 1.

[quote name='Banedon' timestamp='1319929363' post='2834738'] If RV or Krunk spin any harder or faster, they're going to start generating electric current. [/quote] Unfortunately, it won't bring my electric bill down any. And considering my apartment is all electric...

[quote name='dane0' timestamp='1319925055' post='2834710'] Also, everyone seems to forget that Legion has never DoW'd on NSO this war. They declared on us. So the idea of us surrendering, and leaving NSO out there is ridiculous. We were declared on, they defended us. Why in the world would we leave them. [/quote] When you guys coming out of PM? We hate leaving a job unfinished.

[quote name='Delta1212' timestamp='1319922311' post='2834669'] So your coalition was just a Paper Tiger. [/quote] Hey, [b]we're[/b] the paper tigers!!! Never a l*wy*r around when you need one...

[quote name='Krunk the Great' timestamp='1319919381' post='2834628'] It's not hard to beat up a coalition half your size. What's hard is beating up an alliance twice your size, which we're doing pretty well considering, you know, being generally outnumbered. [/quote] Really. RV's lost over 90% of his NS. You've lost almost 2/3rds your NS and escaped into PM as well. Your 'recruit', Fingolfin, puffed your stats up by 110K for a minute. Now he's under half strength, turtled up, and just buying navy to keep from getting blockaded and tossing nukes. Half his 2 billion warchest is gone in just 3 weeks. We give you a target rich environment and this is the best you can do? And you turn around and !@#$%* at your allies for not doing your heavy lifting for you???

[quote name='Wabooz' timestamp='1319917548' post='2834608'] with your war chest, I doubt you can back up your talk. Perhaps your comrades, but not you. [/quote] Speak for yourself. You're well on the way to becoming an anklebiter just like RV.

[quote name='Krunk the Great' timestamp='1319911071' post='2834560'] He also never said it wasn't. He also put supplier in quotation marks. He also had a grammatical error in the third sentence. He also said this He also said that. You, however, still have not said a thing. [/quote] Thank you, President Clinton, that'll be all.

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1319909908' post='2834545'] [color="#0000FF"]There is nothing to prove, and the names of our two good alliances have not been dragged through the mud. Worthwhile alliances know our quality. We do not have to defend ourselves against pathetic sycophants such as yourself.[/color] [/quote] Seriously, dude, I want the name of your dealer. That's some great $41t you're smoking/shooting/ingesting there. Why ain't you sharing???

[quote name='Krunk the Great' timestamp='1319909187' post='2834531'] I am under no obligation to tell you everyone who received the circulating information. [/quote] Who was it that told me 'Prove it'? Oh, right, one of the mighty anklebiters of the New Corgi Order.

[quote name='Krunk the Great' timestamp='1319905576' post='2834492'] Or were just given the information. You never can tell with these things. Acquiring implies they sought the information out, which you can't exactly prove unless you're a mind reader or want to admit to spying and do the very thing you hate tetris for doing [/quote] [url=http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/acquire]This.[/url] Pay particular attention to the first definition and stop Clintonising.

[quote name='LittleRena' timestamp='1319904359' post='2834478'] But Tetris didn't actually aquire the screenshots? If I was being cynical, I would say Legion declared on Tetris instead of NSO because of their poor connections in comparison. [/quote] I'd love to know how somebody can publish information without 'aquiring' it. Yeah, they (Tetris) aquired it. This has been gone over in excruciating detail for the last month. Nobody is disputing this.

[quote name='LittleRena' timestamp='1319903952' post='2834474'] If Varianz is responsible for the screenshots, why did Legion declare on Tetris instead of NSO? I don't follow. [/quote] Tetris published the screenshots on the OWF. Seriously, it's all here, check a topic called 'Sup Legion' or something like it.

[quote name='Sabcat' timestamp='1319902834' post='2834465'] http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=106028&view=findpost&p=2825543 There you go. [/quote] I wouldn'tve bothered. It was just a corgi yapping, demanding we worship her nonexistant and mythological e-peen while looking for an ankle to bite.

[quote name='Krunk the Great' timestamp='1319901262' post='2834450'] Im not the accuser, I don't have to do a thing If you can't point to a post I guess it doesn't exist. (Because if it did, you could) [/quote] So barks yet another PM anklebiter of the mighty Sith. Gaze upon his mythological e-peen in wonder. I'm gonna suggest to our government that as part of your surrender, you have to change your alliance name to New [url=http://www.google.com/search?sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&safe=off&site=&source=hp&q=korgie&btnG=Search#pq=corgi&hl=en&sugexp=kjrmc&cp=0&gs_id=1&xhr=t&q=corgi+puppies&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&safe=off&biw=1288&bih=552&source=hp&pbx=1&oq=corgi&aq=0e&aqi=g-e2g-c1g1&aql=f&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=8562193df683b6ce]Corgi[/url] Order.

[quote name='Krunk the Great' timestamp='1319900467' post='2834443'] Burden of proof is on the accuser my good sir. [/quote] Do your own research.

[quote name='Krunk the Great' timestamp='1319899132' post='2834433'] Wow, Talk about baseless accusations. Legion attacked Tetris We attacked Legion because we have a MDP and that's what MDP partners do. Your fixation with Varianz can't be healthy. [/quote] Varianz claimed responsibility for the screenshots. It's in the OWF, go find it yourself.