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  1. War Propaganda

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    [quote name='Mirreille' timestamp='1296101783' post='2604172']
    A few more efforts:

    [IMG]http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu335/Mirreille/villains-fantastic_mr_fox.jpg[/IMG]

    [IMG]http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu335/Mirreille/remodel.jpg[/IMG]

    [IMG]http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu335/Mirreille/DoomedHoue.jpg[/IMG]

    [IMG]http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu335/Mirreille/thethreelittlewolvesandthebigbadP.jpg[/IMG]
    [/quote]


    I like these, especially the last one. I can see it being a popular childrens book in Francograd one day.

  2. On the Foolishness of Hope

    in Open World RP

    Posted

    [quote name='HHAYD' timestamp='1296101212' post='2604157']
    So that make's it okay to punish someone twice for a crime?


    Alliance: "For tech raiding one of our members, you must pay $9 million."

    Raider: "Okay. I'm sorry for what I've done. Sending my cash."

    Alliance: "No problem."

    [i]-About two years later-[/i]

    Alliance: "WE'RE GOING TO CURBSTOMP YOU!"

    Former raider: "What did I do?"

    Alliance: "For your past crimes."

    Former raider: "But that was nearly two years ago, and you already punished me..."

    Alliance: "Fine, because $%&@ you, that's why."
    [/quote]


    You haven't read the FAN DoW yet have you? Perhaps that will give you some perspective.

  3. 8 Ball in the Corner Pocket

    in World Affairs (IC)

    Posted · Edited by Johnny Apocalypse

    [quote name='Lusitan' timestamp='1296101171' post='2604155']
    There are many things to be smelled here, but desperation is not one of them.
    [/quote]

    Actually it is, zzzptm's motives are clear. He wishes to ensure that MHA do not enter this conflict against his alliance(a very wise move to be sure). In his posts you will notice an excessive amount of praise for the MHA, describing them as honourable pillars of society and the like. While these descriptions are not false, his sincerity very much is. He plays up the positive traits of MHA in an attempt to convince them to not declare war against his alliance and he attempts to convince us that should MHA declare war on NV that it would be immoral and dishonourable to do so, while carefully ignoring any potential treaty obligations MHA may or may not have.

    He uses the very morals he espouses as a political weapon for his own purposes. Rather immoral don't you think?

  4. 8 Ball in the Corner Pocket

    in World Affairs (IC)

    Posted · Edited by Johnny Apocalypse

    [quote name='Chief Savage Man' timestamp='1296100056' post='2604108']
    People claim that Doomhouse's attempt to set a new precedent is going to ruin debate and politics in Cyber Nations but really its abortions of rhetoric like this thread that are doing the most damage to it.
    [/quote]

    I'd say we've seen a lot more debate since we declared war, which is quite the opposite of what some people would have you believe.

  6. 8 Ball in the Corner Pocket

    in World Affairs (IC)

    Posted

    [quote name='zzzptm' timestamp='1296099135' post='2604063']
    Good sir, we are merely hoping the leadership of MHA can declare that rumors of its entering an unjust, unwarranted, and unloved war have no foundation whatsoever.

    We see ourselves that not all of Sparta wishes to be part of this war of aggression and we live in the hope that MHA would not desire to become associated with such a sad and regrettable conflict, as that would be befitting of the wisdom of the leadership of MHA.
    [/quote]

    And why exactly should they answer your loaded questions?

  7. On the Foolishness of Hope

    in Open World RP

    Posted · Edited by Johnny Apocalypse

    [quote name='Balkan Banania' timestamp='1296078057' post='2603293']
    On a serious note, I don’t have a problem with this war. My problem is that you firstly downgraded the OWF by overusing the moralistic rhetoric along with a ton of trolling. At the same time by using Vox you revised history to your liking (just to avoid unneeded trolling, we were indeed a hegemony and did many things that can fully justify the Karma war). Then you decided to make the lulz your flag, and now, after you have made this place a beacon of stupidity, you decided to do something “for” the game. As I see it your action can potentially kill a significant aspect of the politics of the game if it becomes a norm, while at the same time I think that the OWF degradation drove many players out of the game.

    I feel sympathy for the people that decided to play this game as moral leaders and for some reason believed that MK et al. could hold the principles espoused by the Karma war, but I think that the path you follow was clear from the beginning.

    Concerning the recent war it is also obvious that you do not do this for the game, or even for fun, you are doing this in order to neutralize a potential enemy, so please cut the propaganda. Your actions have as sole purpose to benefit MK and PB which is of course logical, but please stop claiming that you are doing the game a favor, you don’t.

    Concluding, this war is not bad and I will entertain myself, but please improve your propaganda, or stop it and let's try to speak about politics. The audience is a bit less naïve than during the Karma era.
    [/quote]

    What people are forgetting is that the moralist rhetoric was appropriate for its time, it is however now heavily outdated and yet we are incapable of discarding it. In my opinion it is likely the result of a basic human instinct to want to do good (or at least to do what you think is morally good) which is why we cannot move on from this particular train of thought and develop something fresh. So when you claim we made 'lulz' our flag, it was simply a change in political ideology, a necessary change every alliance must make at least once during their existence.

    OWF degradation is not something you can blame on one alliance. Everyone is responsible for a large majority of terrible posts being made, even alliances in your sphere of influence and alliances in ours. Everyone needs to suck it up and take responsibility for the god awful posting.

    I feel no sympathy for those who followed the Mushroom Kingdom believing them to be moral crusaders who would save us all. Only a fool would believe that of anyone, especially in the world of politics.

    With regards to your claim that we are not doing this for the game or for fun but to only eliminate potential opponents; Why can we not be doing all three? I'm certainly having fun, and I do feel that this war is good for the game, not just because we've declared on the NPO, but because we've actually declared on [i]someone[/i]. I don't think that because we declared on NPO without a "legitimate CB" that it will be the end of the CB, but it will at least show to people that sometimes having no reason is the best reason.

    And I'm pretty sure I have been talking politics.

  10. On the Foolishness of Hope

    in Open World RP

    Posted

    [quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1296025202' post='2602337']
    Sure I like to see facts in the DoWs I read. I also like to see CBs that are "air tight" by conventional standards. I'd rather have the latter than the former.
    [/quote]

    And what exactly are the conventional standards for an air tight CB?

  11. On the Foolishness of Hope

    in Open World RP

    Posted · Edited by Johnny Apocalypse

    [quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1296024128' post='2602299']
    This isn't an either or choice. How about I choose neither. We don't have to have MK in charge to protect us from Pacfica. It's just something you guys have tricked yourselves into thinking.
    [/quote]


    Fine. Would you prefer to be lied to in a declaration of war or would you prefer to have the truth?

    [quote name='DictatatorDan' timestamp='1296024533' post='2602310']
    [color="#FF0000"]"Karma" was nothing more than a convienent buzzword to rally against Pacifica. Nothing more, nothing less.[/color]
    [/quote]

    I'm pretty sure I said these exact words in a post somewhere :P

  12. On the Foolishness of Hope

    in Open World RP

    Posted

    [quote name='Chimaera' timestamp='1296022813' post='2602251']
    I am not against the institution of war - I am against the premise of unjust and pointless wars. War is a critical factor in the maintenance of this community and planet and should happen at regular intervals. But it should not happen at the whim of those who feel like killing something because of three year old actions.

    Hell, I would personally rather there not BE any inter-alliance treaties and force each alliance to make their own way in the world rather than gliding on the coattails of others. Alas, that is impossible.
    [/quote]

    I would argue this war is not unjust, I would also argue that it is far from pointless. You seem to misunderstand the nature of war. Wars are in fact started at the whim of those who feel like killing something. The difference between us and the NPO is simple; They manufactured CBs to legitimize their wars of aggression. We provide you with an honest reason for our aggression.

    Which would you prefer?

  14. On the Foolishness of Hope

    in Open World RP

    Posted

    [quote name='Chimaera' timestamp='1296018851' post='2602023']
    On July 19th, 2006, the nation of Chimaera and my beloved Imperial Assault Alliance were born. We were founded on principles that seemed, at the time, remarkably [i]ordinary[/i] to us - a coalition of individual states brought together under a single banner with the premise that genuine interpersonal dignity and honor was the way to create a long-lasting, powerful community. Since then, we have been engaged in five world wars, have disbanded and reformed, and have become close allies with some of the finest groups of nations in this galaxy. The corridors of the ISD [i]Chimaera[/i] have seen some of CN's most beloved and influential leaders arrive and depart, each individual imparting a piece of their essence into our Empire. All through that, through bickering, treachery, love, and happiness, I have remained steadfast in my belief that it is those principles we were founded upon, not the alliance itself, that is special.

    For the first few years of my existence as a leader upon our Planet Bob, the political realm was dominated by one force, and one force only - the New Pacific Order. Ruling with a harsh iron fist and the constant determination to come out on top of any situation, they crushed numerous poorly-planned and poorly-executed insurrections (and might have massacred some hippies along the way). Despite my immense distaste for their methods, their leaders, and their utter ruthlessness, I was forced to admire them - they made no bones about their moral sanctity, no pretensions that they alone had some sort of ethical integrity which led to their actions. They simply did what they felt was necessary for the preservation of their political and military might. A purely Machiavellian state, we can say. For the record, I will add that I spent an immense amount of time working both openly and secretly towards their demise; I believed Planet Bob would be a better place with a different group of ideologues in power, a group of people I called my allies and compatriots in the fight for what was then seen as justice. We asked nothing more than NPO pay for their crimes. We wanted, in essence, Karma.

    And, as history dictates, Karma was what we dished out - the utter annihilation of NPO and its closest sphere of influence; Pacifica and her allies were brought to heel, thrown to their knees before a vindicated world which had suffered Pacifica's yoke for far too long. I myself was finally free of a nine month long sentence of Eternal ZI from Pacifica; I am still proud to admit I was once called 'too dangerous to let live' by Pacifican leadership. We had what we came for: the old guard was dead, and a new world order could commence. A time of peace, prosperity, justice, and ethics was at hand - or so we were led to believe. Such fools we were.

    You see, it is far more difficult to lead a group of alliances when you always take the actions that your moral code and ethical integrity deem correct - ethical actions are not politically expedient in much the same manner as negotiations are fruitless when one side holds all the bargaining chips. It can be inferred that NPO discovered this basic truth of governance when they first assumed power years ago - indeed, political expedience and relative value were, are, and always shall be the driving forces behind Pacifican foreign and domestic policy decisions. That is why they are seen as more ruthlessly efficient than nearly every other significant power; their very nature enables pure efficiency at the expense of any nagging ethical issues.

    Dear reader, I realize that to this point I have sounded like I am praising the actions of Doomhouse in their most recent unnecessary attack upon Pacifica - it is certainly the politically expedient and correct decision, one that will cement their status as the dominant power upon Planet Bob for a great deal of time to come. Unfortunately, the ease with which this was accomplished and the utter disregard for the former desire for ethics and justice displayed by the 'side' in question makes such positive political points moot. It is my utmost belief that in abandoning the moral principles on which the original paradigm shift occurred, Doomhouse has become a far worse evil to this planet than Pacifica ever was. It is not a question of personal preference - I despise NPO and all that they have done, and I have no such personal qualms with MK, GOONS, and Umbrella; on the contrary, I greatly like quite a few of their members and leaders. That said, turning Pacifica into a glowing wasteland on the premise of 'You started wars for terrible reasons, so we should, too!' is simply unacceptable on every possible level.

    We have become what we swore to destroy. Winning at all costs at the expense of the very moral strength which gave us the courage to continue a hopeless fight against impossible odds for three years is an act of unfathomable treason against the cause. Just because their [i]name[/i] is the New Pacific Order does not make them automatically an evil which must be scourged from existence - it is [i]actions[/i] that create such needs. Pacifica paid for their crimes - as a former EZI and the leader of an alliance they once disbanded, I can attest to that. I beg of you, my former brothers in arms, belay this madness! We must not give in to the same self-centric and dispassionate worldview that led Pacifica to so greatly wound so many of us. We once ended a great period of tyranny by standing shoulder-to-shoulder and declaring that never again shall we tolerate the destruction of innocents or the extortion of the unfortunate. We can do the same thing today by ending this war and setting aside old hatreds in favor of a new order where rationality and discourse reign supreme.

    Such was our hope, so many years ago. Such can be our future. Such hope, my old friends, you have turned into naught but foolishness and hypocrisy.
    [/quote]

    This is the sort of moralist daydreaming that is throttling this planet. You plead and plead that we should end this war so that 'rationality and discourse reign supreme' so I ask of you; Where have you been for the past year?

    Since the closure of the Bi-Polar war we have had nothing more than 'rationality' and discourse. Every potential conflict drew to a close far too soon because "cooler heads prevailed" A perfect example would be the Superfriends-NSO war in August, which drew to a close because the allies of the New Sith Order did not defend them because they were not ready for a large scale conflict, so once again 'cooler heads prevailed' in the name of 'rationality'

    We have seen the amount of world leaders decline at an alarming rate, many of these people leaving simply because there is nothing for them to do, they cannot engage in any wars, or anything vaguely aggressive for fear of being judged by the community for being "immoral" As apparently it is the business of just about everybody and anybody when someone does something a little questionable. Everyone comes out in full force to denounce this immoral scumbag for going against their pre-defined way of how to be a good leader. All this man had was some ambition, and you destroyed it with your ethics and your moral codes.

    Of course it is not just our unwritten moral code that chokes us, it is our warped sense of diplomacy too. For years now, each alliance has made a point to further its relations with other alliances in the form of Mutual/optional defense/aggression pacts. We have so many of these worthless treaties that nothing can possibly escalate without fear of it evolving into a global conflict long before people have set up the chess board for another round. We are also now at a point where there are so many treaties, many are being ignored in favour of other allies and many people are being forced to fight on both sides of the war because of their obligations, and should they choose to pick one side over the other they will be denounced and their own treaties will be e-lawyered by the baying mobs of the "honourable" community. How is this productive? How is this good for the community?

    All of these points considered, you would still have us return to the world where tech raiding was the biggest problem facing the community, and where micro alliances with their protectorates sprouted up daily while the total nation count continued to drop?

    You will kill this planet with your dreamy idealist ways.

  15. War Propaganda

    in Open World RP

    Posted · Edited by Johnny Apocalypse

    [quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1296017002' post='2601938']
    I prefer the classic GW2 or 3 version but I'll be damned if I have a copy of it.
    [/quote]

    I was busy tech raiding just about anything back then, so I don't think I ever saw that one

  16. War Propaganda

    in Open World RP

    Posted

    [quote name='Sargun' timestamp='1296016006' post='2601876']
    Stormsend, there were a couple of good images in there but that sort of sucked. I expected like thirty times better.

    Too high expectations, I guess
    [/quote]

    Needs more Delendum propaganda. I miss him :(

  18. War Propaganda

    in Open World RP

    Posted

    [quote name='Locke' timestamp='1296012853' post='2601703']
    Very nice. Tempted to slip the Pacifican flag into the other fighter myself.
    [/quote]

    Go right ahead, I would've done so but I was incapable of doing so without it looking botched.

  21. War and Consequence

    in World Affairs (IC)

    Posted

    [quote name='Zeta Defender' timestamp='1295945642' post='2599679']
    To be honest, where does that CB start and end as "we don't like you" can be OOC and IC.

    OOC: Hell this was the same justification that Hitler used to kill the Jews and take over the world, because, "he was creating the perfect world." Anyone who believed this will end any better is sadly mistaken.

    First They came... - Pastor Martin Niemoller

    First they came for the communists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists ,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

    [b][color="#FF0000"]Then they came for me
    and there was no one left to speak out for me.[/color][/b]
    [/quote]


    Maybe you should have entered the war sooner :smug:

  24. War Propaganda

    in Open World RP

    Posted

    [quote name='D34th' timestamp='1296002812' post='2601370']
    I understand but as I said, this wasn't the objective when I started it, the picture was to another purpose, but I had a insight and was just fun do it.
    [/quote]

    I know, I'm just very fussy about propaganda :P

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