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[quote name='Wu Tang Clan' timestamp='1316611529' post='2805263']
I think you're missing the point on numerous levels.
1.) FOK requested (demanded) this apology, so here we are.
2.) If you don't know what's going on, you weren't involved, so who cares?
3.) They did say exactly what they did wrong, read the OP ("raiding a former FOK member"). Anything beyond that is irrelevant to this particular cause.
4.) Curiosity killed the cat.
Personally, I think public apologies are detrimental to the cause, because they make you look like a self-conscious teenage girl, who needs to be told that they're pretty... and as you see from this thread, people are generally picking up on that... but that's just me.
Like I said, good luck to both parties moving forward.
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1) Got that, which is why they're idiots for cluttering my forum.
2) Because it's on the forums, I can see it, people are talking about it. If you make a post here it should have substance.
3) That's vague as all hell.
4) Like I said, I don't care, I don't want to know what went on. All I want is for people to stop posting (or making people post) crap like this. -
People seem to miss my twofold point:
1) Public apologies are unnecessary and outdated.
2) If you're going to make one, you have to allocute to your crimes. "Hey X, we're sorry, private channels" means nothing and wastes space. It's not a public apology at all because the point of one is to let EVERYONE know what you've done.
No, I don't want someone querying me and explaining it because it won't make it any more relevant. -
[quote name='Vol Navy' timestamp='1316561435' post='2804829']
There are nations on Bob that are nearly 1000 days old who never witnessed NPO being anything less than a pariah and a punching bag.
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This makes me somewhat sad and somewhat happy. I think it'd be fun to sit some of the new people down on our collective knees and tell them campfire stories about Pacifica and how they ruled the world with an iron fist for what seemed like forever.
Although I can't even concede that your point is valid, the NPO's arrogance has never gone away. They've kept with them that air of formal superiority that makes people either love/hate them. Personally, I love to hate them, everyone needs a bad guy, whether it's MK, TLR, NPO or whatever. I'm glad to have found mine. -
Question:
Why should we care? Rogue attacks are common, accidents happen, these things are worked out every single day, why bring it out here?
Unless, FOK mandated a public apology for the actions of a random rogue.
In which case, why? What point would you have adding a completely unnecessary term that serves no purpose other than to clutter the AP forum with your nonsense?
Is it because you feel inadequate? You need a hug? You felt the need to punish an entire alliance because you felt like it?
I don't know and I don't care. Take this crap and put it somewhere else. -
The only thing that surprises me is that this hadn't happened already while I was gone.
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Hugs IAA
Glad to see you're still around. -
ITT: I learned NADC still exists. Fun stuff guys, always good to see new wordings on old concepts.
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It's not gonna happen for a while.
I predict mid-late November, probably some time around the Thanksgiving holiday. Early December at the latest.
October will bring the interesting buildup though
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I expected more from you TLR. -
I will not recognize him as legitimate unless he posts the following:
"Victory is mine!" -
Hawk_11, did you miss me?
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Grats VE, oh nukers of ones without nukes (no, I won't forget that).
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Anomanus: 100%
I rest my case. -
So I was gonna make this clever joke and snide remark making this statement, but I'm just gonna ask it as a question:
Is this literally 64digits with a name change? -
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I fear the mighty bunny's military prowess.
Congratulations, and may your weapons never be pointed in my direction. -
Hmmm...who should I tech deal with?
Traditionally, I've hated TOP, but they appear to have all new government...traditionally I loved MK, but they made lebubu CP....
DECISIONS, DECISIONS. -
ITT: I learn that none of the C&G original alliances are still in the bloc.
lolwut....
Pretty awesome of you to have all the stats Gopher, provides and interesting read, thank you -
[quote name='Tygaland' timestamp='1315703178' post='2798392']
We may have to open another monthly thread titled "Complain about Tyga" to assist them with their therapy.At least the purpose will be defined.
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I would post in this thread.
Tyga, how dare you keep that damn fat cat avatar, it disturbs me. Bring back your old one! -
[quote name='Sigrun Vapneir' timestamp='1315785987' post='2798933']
I was honestly unsure of his status as of that moment - see above. Spycap knew absolutely nothing about any of it. He may or may not have checked for wars before sending, if he had he wouldnt have seen any.
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While this may be true. The old adage "Better safe than sorry." Holds true here as much or moreso than everywhere else. You should have checked, especially if he was under a hostile AA. It's also your job to take ownership of oversights or other mistakes like this and take the consequences without playing the persecution card.
The only thing I'm wondering is how, if you were a protectorate, you did not bring this up with your protectors earlier because they would have told you everything I have BEFORE this whole damn war got started.
This reeks of a newbie mistake by a newbie alliance boiling out of control. The faster you realize your mistake, make it right, and move on, the faster you can get back to running your alliance. -
[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1315785452' post='2798926']
If they don't actively keep him at war, they can't expect people to know they still consider him at war with them. With me a new nation was created to declare on me even after I was ZI/ZT with less than 10 NS to keep me at war, they could of done the same for him if they cared so much about people doing tech deals with him.
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That may have been true, but the wording of the OP (declaring the aid an "oversight" rather than contending they did not know) makes it seem as if they were well aware of Nicholai's status with NG. -
[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1315784838' post='2798912']
I think he was in bill lock not doing anything. He didn't launch more wars on Non Grata after the tech deal until Non Grata attacked him first as well.
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Well if he was still at war and in bill lock, that'd make the aid all the more aggravating as he wouldn't be in bill-lock anymore, would he? You can still be at war with someone without launching any more for a while, as long as they're still attacking you. Every rogue ever has demonstrated that fact. -
[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1315784523' post='2798909']
I could be wrong, but I don't think Nicholai had any active wars with Non Grata when the money was sent for the tech deal.
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I won't pretend to know the situation as I recently arrived back here, but he was still supporting you, yes? -
[quote name='Sigrun Vapneir' timestamp='1315671461' post='2798101']
[b]We engaged in several discussions with representatives of NG over the past few days, and bent just as far as we could bend in order to satisfy them. They refuse to be satisfied with anything other than a payment of tribute and an acknowledgement of wrongdoing.[/b]
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The bolded is and always has been the norm for things like this. It doesn't matter the circumstances, you gave someone who was actively at war with their alliance money. Money which will be used to stave off bill lock and/or buy more soldiers, cruise missiles, and nukes that are getting tossed at their nation.
They have every right to demand some sort of compensation for the extra damage they're taking thanks to your negligence. If you refuse to do so, it's always been an act of war.
You made a mistake. As innocent as that mistake might have been, mistakes have consequences, if you're unwilling to accept them than you rolled the dice and lost and deserve everything that you get.
There's a time and place for the persecution card, and pulling it out here just makes you look silly. The general procedure for things like this is:
1) Nation from Alliance A aids Rogue at war with Alliance B.
2) B asks A what's up and finds the reason for the aid.
3) B asks A to either pay reps for the extra damage, expel the member who aided or both.
4) All else fails, B rolls A.
Looks like they followed the playbook to the letter and your naivete blinded you at the worst possible moment. -
I already covered this in my blog (though inconsistent and rambly), but I think the fundamental reason is that treaties are given too easily. They're given between people who talk a lot, yet whose actions show no real care for the relationship. Treaties, especially binding mutual ones, should only be given out between those alliances who are economic partners that share a common worldview. Ideally other factors would come into play, but that should be the main one.
Treatying for the sake of having a treaty (throwing ODPs around), treatying solely for security, and treatying for personal reasons of the leaders of the alliances are the reason why it's so tangled, and they need to be addressed individually by every alliance leader in the game in order for it to be fixed.
I mean they won't, but still, that's how it'd get done.
Announcement from those Dark Templar people
in Alliance Announcements (IC)
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[quote name='CheeKy' timestamp='1316722041' post='2806119']
Yes, your surrender thread would have been hilarious.
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I love that a MoFA has no perception of how his comments can affect peoples' view of his alliance, considering his job is the maintenance of those opinions.