Unknown Smurf
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No one agreed to a ceasefire, you just unilaterally declared it
Sabcat told me he would post on your forums about it. -
Who is John cena?
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I don't think I've ever read a charter in my life.
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before you leave you need to admit you were wrong and spreading lies
or perhaps you simply didn't know the truth
I was not intentionally spreading lies but I admit I'm not as informed as I'd like to be (ooc: at work atm + busy in RL since the beginning of the incident) so it's possible that I'm wrong on some (or many?) points.
(Id also like to throw out there that it's possible I'm right on all points as well though) :D -
BMTH is new to Monsters inc and isn't even their leader. His job is to convey the leaderships thoughts. Monsters inc as an entity is new and are (trying) to do things differently. That is what they are figuring out/I believe they should be given the opportunity to figure out.Still figuring things out? BMTH has been in this world longer than I have. If he hasn't got his !@#$ together by now, then he shouldn't be here.
SWF is perfectly within their rights to refuse diplomacy when multiple members of a small alliance attack them. Lest we forget, some characters in this alliance had a role in raiding Guinness multiple times after the diplomatic approach was tried, and we see how that ended.
In light of recent diplomatic efforts, however, I'm going to bow out from this topic.
I sincerely hope something as this doesn't escalate. -
May I ask when I cry about DBDC? I've expressed my opinion about them, I'll admit not to thrilled about there raids but it is what it is. Now this thread isn't about DBDC it's about MI blundering about DoW on SWF
Ok I'll admit I exaggerated for effect. Replace 'crying' with 'complaining' in my previous post; the point stands. -
Why are they wrong for not accepting reps? That's not a concrete right/wrong situation.
There's a fundamental difference between not accepting reps and refusing to give a counter offer and just declaring on the alliance. SWF could've asked for those 2 members to be ZIed or 100 million in reps or something else crazy and I wouldn't have had an issue. But for them to sit there and not even speak to Monsters and just pull in all their allies on rolling a new micro that's still figuring things out is unacceptable. -
From my understanding of events, they approached SWF only after launching even more attacks against them, rather than trying to work things out.
They then demanded more reps than SWF were asking for despite doing more damage even in the middle of said conversation, and things kind of fell apart from there.
I would like to see screen shots from both parties backing up their respective claims, since there's a big "He-said-she-said" element to all of this
Something I'd definitely agree with/get behind. My attempts to resolve this has been met with hostility so I've assumed the worst. But I'm more than willing to take a step back and reevaluate the facts.
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Be aware other bigger parties may want your beer
It's okay, we can make this a kegger. Just be aware we expect $5. And we will get our money.
I love how you feel it's appropriate to wave your dick around because you're bigger atm yet cry about it when DBDC does the same thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7rdg_tKzKQ
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So they are wrong because they didn't take the aggressors first offer?
Not only did they not take the first offer, they didn't speak to Monsters gov before attacking, nor did they offer any counter offers when Monsters Inc came to the table offering reps and peace.
Why do you see it differently when NPO/major alliances are held at war without terms but it's okay for SWF to bring their allies into a Monsters Inc curbstomp (or insinuate they are going to do so) without offering any sort of terms or coming to the table at all?
Considering the fact that MI retaliated against SWF before approaching them over what was a clear case of a raid gone bad, I think you're giving more credit than is reasonably due.
I would agree with you if it weren't for the bolded part. Monsters Inc did approach SWF and were ignored/told to fuck off.
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So let me get this straight.
Monsters Inc hit SWF, SWF defends itself by hitting some MI, and somehow SWF are in the wrong because they didn't come to you to get reps instead.
Actions have consequences.
This is why micro's shouldn't exist.Yes it would be much better if everyone sat in their little corner and did nothing until the main powers decided they wanted a war and then go to war for reasons that don't directly involve them.
Also for the record, SWF isn't wrong for not coming to them. SWF is wrong because they didn't accept the offered reps.
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I'm not saying you did, but SWF want reps for peace. So if you want peace pay reps, not hard.
If SWF wanted peace,they should've asked for reps instead of attacking. Not hard.Well you have your other members to thank for bringing uninvolved members into this mess, which has in turn also brought your whole membership into this mess. All because of a botched "raid" on a connected alliance.
Yes, your members got your alliance in this mess, it is up to your alliance to pay its way out and not blame it on SWF's attacks, blaming SWF for defending their alliance is your attempt at playing the victim. The only reason your alliance is playing hardball is because you know you won't get rolled, due to SWF's lack of any real strong connections.
He's not playing hardball. He's offering reps for the unprovoked attacks. He just expects that to be reciprocated by the SWF nations that countered on Monsters that were equally uninvolved. -
I don't think Tehmina is in LSF anymore, and CPCN doesn't have a treaty with SWF.
Ah damn. Just when I was starting to like LSF too. -
Id have to agree with you here, especall the last line.. the answer is obvious: you guys just need to cancel on SWF. :DHitchy, you made absolutely no sense in that last comment man! Probably rephrase it for me? Or better, come and join BMTH on our forums :)
I hope peace is achieved asap. Friends fighting is horrible.So SWF who has allies LSF? got raided and instead of bending over and supplying lube they decided to fight back so now you declared war on them? Amirite? And you violated your charter to do so? Amirite? Or did I not read all this correctly? Do not get my line of questioning skewed as obviously I don't care and am rooting for L_H anyways...I'm just wanting to see the expansion capabilities of this war, so besides LSF does SWF have anyone else to come to the rescue?
Almost.
A guy from monsters Inc. raided a SWF guy. SWF could've came and asked for peace but attacked others on the monsters Inc AA instead so monsters inc upgraded this from a raid to a war. I believe. -
Good. SWF sucks.
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Smurf, let me be honest, this won't hurt our friendship in the slightest because I'm a big boy and can take it.
I know and this is why the friendship started in the first place.
I already hit Grey Council last year remember? The thing is that if you wanted to, we could draw parallels between Monsters Inc hitting The Prussian Confederation who fit the bill as an "inactive" alliance with a similar situation to the World Task Force who I do believe you protect.I don't believe anyone came into the alliance thinking that it was going to be easy or that the World Task Force would surrender but instead just to fight and encounter resistance eventually and just take the hits with the wins.
I respect FAN too much to go and hit them, shout out to Kittiquel by the way.
As an aside, I believe I am the only person who joined the Blood Pack AA who was not approached to join the alliance but instead joined it voluntarily to get the casualties, to fight alongside Krihelion and to have a great time chatting with the World Task Force guys. For the past year, I have fought or assisted in a good proportion of the major and minor wars that went down (FAN-UCR War, LT-GC War, Beer Guzzlers War, AZTEC-Riot Society War and hell even both sides of the Kaskus-MI6 War). I had members who decided to go to MI6 who ended up fighting against Kaskus and I gave permission to Lavender Town members to fight for Kaskus in that war including Hitchcock which I am certain you were happy to receive.
Thus, I don't really see myself as a coward, I like to fight on the front lines alongside the grunts. Is that not the opposite of a coward who runs at the fight sign of trouble?
Anyway, to sum it up, Blood Pack was created to fight against the World Task Force and once the time is right, I am certain the components within will move onto other things. Such is this game.
I see what you're saying and to a certain extent I agree with you. Cowardly may not be the best word since you are fighting whereas others are not. But I don't think that takes away from my point. You sitting there with literally thousands of nations at your back if someone did the same thing to you as you're doing to WTF just doesn't bode well with me and I would call it - for lack of a better word - cowardly.
PS: We should get GeniusInc out of retirement so we can have a proper chat on the revived Apathy Report!
Ha. If you can convince him, I'll get on for it.
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Smurf no one is afraid of your crappy alliance lmao
It comes to no surprise to anyone that your reading comprehension is lacking once again. It has nothing to do with my alliance, youve clearly missed the point. The point was that there were plenty of better targets for Blood pack to hit if they truly believed what they claim to believe in. Is that simple enough for you? If not maybe you can get some of your friends to use that donation money for hooked on phonics classes instead. -
Heh, if this is OOC and you want me to be honest, I'll be honest with you. You just probably are gonna hate it and it'll probably ruin our friendship. Meh.
Franz, you and the rest of blood pack are cowards. Blood pack, smh, I dunno how you guys can ever see yourselves as that. Opportunists pack is more like it. You go and hit WTF because you thought they'd be inactives and you'd get free exp and stuff. I've talked to the people on the AA, the ones who were hit hard are not happy about it. I'm talking your entire mid/upper tier (minus TBR). They were promised easy pickings and that WTF would surrender relatively soon and yall bit off more than they can chew. I dunno how involved each individual person was/how much they were talked to but that was the general consensus and that is why most of you guys went.
If you truly did it because you love war or because you want to show the neutrals what war is about you should hit some true neutrals like GPA or Grey Council or someone. But no you hit WTF because you felt they were already beaten down. But you guys are idiots because once DBDC beat those super nations down, they left you with tech inflated fully wondered nations that wrecked you.
If you truly did it just because you want to hit people who refuse to play the game then go hit FAN or someone. You won't.
It fits the bill though, the entire Doom sphere is full of cowards. They have been since MK back in the day and probably even before that. Those !@#$%*^ sat at the top tier and made backdoor deals behind their governments that they wouldn't attack each other. They did this for global war after global war after global war and then they became huge. Imagine that. EDIT: To clarify, yes they did fight, but they made deals with each other so the active fighters wouldn't hit each other. They just declared on inactive guys and made sure it looked like they were fighting. Imagine two DBDC super nations on opposite sides of a war, instead of fighting each other they would say "hey the other guy on my AA is inactive, just hit him and not me and I'll hit the inactives on your AA." Do you not see how thats fucked up? You're selling your own alliance out to save a bit of money.
And then they get call out and berate alliances like Valhalla and LoSS for doing exactly what they've BEEN doing for 4-5 years now? Smh. You guys are so !@#$@#$ delusional it's hilarious.
I have no problem with attacking neutrals and unaligned and whatever. If it was actually what you said it was, I would have literally no issue. My issue is that you aren't hxc yolo-ists like you claim to be. You prey on the weak, you don't initiate anything until you are sure you can win. DBDC keeps saying about how WTF had a comparable upper tier going into this war. Yeah that was true ...before DBDC recruited 10 super tier nations to their cause. Cuba talked about how he wants to roll Bob Dole and all that stuff and then enxt thing you know he's begging for Bob to come back to DBDCs o that he can soak up some of this WTF damage. Others too. Matt miller, Umair, and the rest of the guys who jumped over? Yeah. Ok. Opportunists.
Before you guys went and started hitting WTF, you made sure you were safe. You made sure that you could sucker punch WTF but have half a dozen alliances from ODN to DS to whoever to have your back if !@#$ went down badly. If Kaskus came in and !@#$@#$ rekt you, you would be crying out to mommy DK so fast it would make GOONS look good.
The way you guys !@#$ on IRON/ODN/whoever for switching to the winning side.. well you guys are doing the same thing. It's impossible to talk morals and standards in this game because there are very very few people who have them. You know one of the people who do? Asa. WTF. They aren't neutrals like you say.
They went independent 7 years ago because there was nobody worth allying int heir minds. They used to have treaties. They were a part of the MDP web and they said $%&@ it. If there are people worth fighting for and with, they should be in your alliance. It's different than how you say they've been avoiding wars and everything.
Hey who is that in the MDP web in the mid-bottom left?
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I should be on the list as well:
2,777,771 Attacking + 6,264,516 Defending + 31,320,023 Women and Children = 40,362,310 Casualties
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Check your in-game in-box, and welcome back!
Protectoratize him!
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Dbdc 19th though? Seems like they should recruit some seller friends.
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No, Yes, respectively.
I will start responding to posts in raps. -
No need for imaginative storytelling, its all here in this thread clearcut. Anybody can read it, needs no interpretation or mental gymnastics.
But WOW, its been a while since somebody stunned me here with their stupidity in the face of obvious and clear. Had to come back to congratulate you on that. I am not even mad, thats amazing. :o Just,...wow
As an uninvolved 3rd party I'd have to echo sigrun here. Your original claim was extremely exaggerated and the link you posted as "proof" was weak at best. WTF just didn't want to get involved with rolling Umbrella because it wasn't their war or their problem, I don't see how that's arrogance or them dismissing you from a "high horse."
That is an absolute lie. And a pathetic attempt of one at that. We've never had an IRC we use where anyone outside of WTF can find it.
I would like to also point out that Asa is wrong. #worldtaskforce on coldfront (or was it esper?) was a public channel for WTF that was held by ... You. :o I vaguely remember it being in use for some time ~5 years ago. Fishguts ..second (?) marriage? :D
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