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[quote name='mattski133' timestamp='1296761822' post='2617990'] I think speed and secrecy can be part of a good strategy but are not critical to all good strategies. Misdirection is another good one. If you knew it was coming, how is it exactly that we caught you with your pants down? You can be as slow and loud as you want when everyone thinks you're going somewhere else. [/quote] The best part is we knew this was coming. Why do you think all of our bank and economic nations are safe? We had tip offs and warnings weeks in advance. Like I said; speed and secrecy. Better luck next time.

[quote name='Hyperion321' timestamp='1296760837' post='2617973'] That's what allies and friends do. Why the hell do you think TPF stayed in Karma for so long. [/quote] Your example isn't very good at all. In fact, it's worthless.

[quote name='mattski133' timestamp='1296759637' post='2617954'] I think we could argue that baiting you to attack MK and bring TOP in was a strategy, just as it is strategy to avoid it. Welcome to the fight OSA. ASU, good night, sweet prince. [/quote] Strategy is about fusing speed with secrecy. I don't think you kept your aims a secret. Thus, it was either a poor strategy or not one at all.

[quote name='Steve Buscemi' timestamp='1296714790' post='2617361'] Oh high and mighty moral crusader, your alliance invented not honoring treaties and making up CBs a very long time ago. [/quote] So you're acknowledging the core of my post? Awesome, thanks for the support.

[quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1296714131' post='2617343'] Yes, we will never recover from this war, you are entirely correct. I guess we better start planning our disbandment now so we can beat the traffic. [/quote] When you disband again, I will save this screenshot. Have a good war.

[quote name='Lusitan' timestamp='1296713831' post='2617328'] You're talking of wF, not MK. [/quote] We'll see what happens.

[quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1296713464' post='2617318'] Are you seriously delusional enough to think you can win? [/quote] With plenty of alliances dog piling you, and MK rapidly losing NS just as much as we are, yeah. I know we can at least make sure you never recover from this war. Numbers don't lie.

[quote name='Lusitan' timestamp='1296713112' post='2617305'] I think it's a safe bet that NoR and wF will be honourable and do what they agreed to. That said, I'd suggest you focus less on the language and more on the practical consequences. [/quote] Consequently, I suggest you open your eyes to the broadening conflict around you, and realize that the days of honoring the practicalities and spirit of a treaty are gone. As are requiring a legitimate CB in order to attack an alliance.

I'd like to know why Nordreich got a raw deal on their peace deal with wF.

[quote name='Lusitan' timestamp='1296712485' post='2617272'] It's rather irrelevant if it's the operative clause or not. There's the spirit of the treaty which is to be upheld even if the letter is not all that explicit. And the spirit of the treaty, signed in good faith, implies non-escalation. [/quote] Spirits of treaties and good faith are objects that are sorely lacking in this game. Do you honestly expect me to believe that wF is legally bound by anything to adhere? Further to that, we're not discussing the legality of the treaty per se, but the language in which it portrays NoR in a poor light during the conflict and subsequent peace talks.

[quote name='KainIIIC' timestamp='1296712527' post='2617278'] By the way, ASU didn't exactly 'bandwagon in', they rolled with us through the Terra Cotta Pact. Also, good luck on that lower-tier. [/quote] So much for their initial reasoning...

[quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1296712285' post='2617258'] Then shut up and enjoy the OSA war, cause it's a strategy. [/quote] That must be why GOONS is losing the war. Your strategy is brilliant, please continue!

[quote name='Lusitan' timestamp='1296711981' post='2617241'] Then go back there and read the words: Non-escalation. [/quote] Okay: [quote]World Federation hereby adopts a policy of non-escalation, and [b]shall act in good faith to bring their war with Nueva Vida to a close.[/b][/quote] Sorry, but non-escalation isn't the operative clause in the sentence. EDIT: Grammar, ugh!

[quote name='Derwood1' timestamp='1296711987' post='2617244'] Nah I got out of it he was calling your pathetic friends cowards. Happy Hunting OSA! [/quote] The only cowardice I see, is the clear and obvious bait to get an alliance to attack MK or Umbrella so you can call in TOP. As far as Pacifica and her allies are concerned; that's not cowardice. It's called strategy, and it's a subtle art most of you lack in large quantities.

So, basically you're saying you hate what they did and how they act but you'll support those actions anyways? Good to know! Have a good war.

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1296711665' post='2617207'] [color="#0000FF"]No, WF is only asked to end their war with NV. WF is not asked to remain out of the war entirely. That is what I got from the announcement.[/color] [/quote] I need to go to bed. That's not what I read in his post. xD

[quote name='Xiphosis' timestamp='1296711632' post='2617204'] [img]http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/7572/godtz4.png[/img] GOD acknowledges a state of war with whoever the hell [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=98161"]these people are[/url] for attacking CSN. [/quote] I like your style.

[quote name='Lusitan' timestamp='1296711476' post='2617197'] They are required to restrain their war activities to NV. So yes, they are kept out of war. [/quote] I think you've just repeated what I said, but thanks again for clarifying to everyone else.

[quote name='Vladimir Nikanor' timestamp='1296711188' post='2617185'] I'm alright with people speculating. If people think we surrendered they're out of their minds. Peace Accords don't necessarily mean surrender. [/quote] You're correct, however peace accords also don't leave you at a seemingly obvious disadvantage (eg; NoR obligated to stay out of war, wF not). EDIT: Based on your post above, I am beginning to think this document is a fubar on wF's part and that a more legible document written by Nordreich, with more clear and substantial terms would go a long way towards alleviating the confusion here. I'll go ahead and leave my argument at that.

[quote name='Vladimir Nikanor' timestamp='1296710994' post='2617178'] There is this thing called OPSEC. We win wars because we adhere to radio silence. Don't expect detailed essays on what's going on behind our curtains. [/quote] Nobody expects to know all the details. We just expect a seemingly iota of sense to come out of a treaty. Truthfully, it looks like a two year old tried and failed to write this document. it makes no logical sense to the trained eye and frankly, you shouldn't be surprised people are scratching their heads at it.

M'kay

[quote name='pd73bassman' timestamp='1296710261' post='2617149'] Clearly we surrendered, glad everyone can read [/quote] Eh, it sorta looks like that based upon the terms of the agreement. What i read is: 1) Nordreich immediately ceases any and all conflict with WF. It refrains from engaging them again during this war, coupled with both parties signing a Non Aggression Pact. 2) WF is not bound to end their war against NV and Co; They are simply "encouraged" to do so. Now, based on that, how is it that these peace terms are equal when only Nordreich is forced to cease any and all conflict and WF is not legally bound to reciprocate towards any other party except NoR?

[quote name='Feldheim C' timestamp='1296706172' post='2616970'] Well usually you can tell by looking right under the title, there's a little number that will tell you what the page count is. It's not too hard if you try. [/quote] Except the issue is there are numerous threads in relation to a lack of effort on GOONS part, as well as amusing surrender messages and failed ground attack notices. I guess the thread with 8+ pages got too large, so everyone started making their own thread, which at least got 3 or more pages of posts with similar messages and notices. Wow. You are right, that wasn't hard at all. Now, what were you saying about victory again?

[quote name='Feldheim C' timestamp='1296703838' post='2616928'] Oh man, two battle reports, how ever could we match that? Oh wait, look at all these reports our people have pouring in of victories across the board. P.S. I'm still waiting for your dec's. my nation hasn't been hit even once yet. Do I scare you? [/quote] I lost count of the pages of the thread those reports came from.

Oh hey, my battle report is up there. Epic. o/ Pacifica! EDIT: Also, Try harder, n00bs!