Guppy Fish

[quote name='Mark Reynolds' timestamp='1300393524' post='2668084'] I just want to be clear about the bit that I have bolded: are you saying that Guppy has been ghosting your alliance for the last few rounds even though he is declaring war and negotiating peace on behalf of you guys? I am not trying to have a go at either you personally or your alliance. We have made multiple attempts to negotiate peace and we haven't gotten anywhere because of the seemingly confused state of your alliance, so I would appreciate it if you could help to clarify your internal structure. [/quote] No, I am not ghosting. The peace is not complicated. I'm negotiating it, and I've agreed to YOUR terms (or rather, the ones Master Ninja presented to me), but nobody from your alliance has agreed to MINE. And I'm sure you know them, so please don't shoot something back saying that I was disorganized and didn't tell you any. @Sulucia, it's not my fault... This round, I'm just trying to prevent LAST round's debacle.

[quote]Most Attacking Casualties 1) 134,998 Soldiers Lost - Guppy Fish of Fish Tank - Black Team 2) 84,051 Soldiers Lost - WarFan of Run TMC - Yellow Team 3) 74,221 Soldiers Lost - colonel mustard of Mustardville - Blue Team 4) 73,051 Soldiers Lost - Runduckhide of NoCanDo - Blue Team 5) 72,131 Soldiers Lost - Overlord Wes of Negroes - Black Team [/quote] [quote]Most Defending Casualties 1) 84,706 Soldiers Lost - colonel mustard of Mustardville - Blue Team 2) 84,209 Soldiers Lost - jolyat of Slow Hands - Blue Team 3) 84,054 Soldiers Lost - Senator of Ordo Paradoxia - Blue Team 4) 84,006 Soldiers Lost - WarFan of Run TMC - Yellow Team 5) 75,892 Soldiers Lost - Vespassianus of Hungary - Pink Team [/quote] [quote]Total Soldier Casualties 1) 168,057 Total Soldiers Lost - WarFan of Run TMC - Yellow Team 2) 158,927 Total Soldiers Lost - colonel mustard of Mustardville - Blue Team 3) 145,597 Total Soldiers Lost - Guppy Fish of Fish Tank - Black Team 4) 144,473 Total Soldiers Lost - jolyat of Slow Hands - Blue Team 5) 143,813 Total Soldiers Lost - Senator of Ordo Paradoxia - Blue Team [/quote] Number of Soldiers Lost in All Wars. 134,998 Attacking + 10,599 Defending = 145,597 Casualties Casualty Rank: Ranked #3 of 1,660 Nations (0.18%)

[quote]Most Attacking Casualties 1) 126,121 Soldiers Lost - Guppy Fish of Fish Tank - Black Team 2) 83,847 Soldiers Lost - WarFan of Run TMC - Yellow Team 3) 74,221 Soldiers Lost - colonel mustard of Mustardville - Blue Team 4) 73,051 Soldiers Lost - Runduckhide of NoCanDo - Blue Team 5) 70,814 Soldiers Lost - Overlord Wes of Negroes - Black Team [/quote] [quote]Most Defending Casualties 1) 84,706 Soldiers Lost - colonel mustard of Mustardville - Blue Team 2) 84,209 Soldiers Lost - jolyat of Slow Hands - Blue Team 3) 84,054 Soldiers Lost - Senator of Ordo Paradoxia - Blue Team 4) 84,006 Soldiers Lost - WarFan of Run TMC - Yellow Team 5) 75,892 Soldiers Lost - Vespassianus of Hungary - Pink Team [/quote] [quote]Total Soldier Casualties 1) 167,853 Total Soldiers Lost - WarFan of Run TMC - Yellow Team 2) 158,927 Total Soldiers Lost - colonel mustard of Mustardville - Blue Team 3) 144,473 Total Soldiers Lost - jolyat of Slow Hands - Blue Team 4) 143,813 Total Soldiers Lost - Senator of Ordo Paradoxia - Blue Team 5) 133,832 Total Soldiers Lost - Guppy Fish of Fish Tank - Black Team [/quote] Number of Soldiers Lost in All Wars. 126,121 Attacking + 7,711 Defending = 133,832 Casualties Casualty Rank: Ranked #5 of 1,710 Nations (0.29%) Still managing to find wars without getting nuked (so far) Congratulations to colonel mustard for holding his triple placing, and to WarFan for getting one!

[quote name='Thomasj_tx' timestamp='1300146142' post='2665040'] They encountered a buzzsaw. [/quote] Good explanation

Can I have that sandbox? Good luck henceforth~

[quote name='Mark Reynolds' timestamp='1299994422' post='2662474'] Thank you for your kind words of support. I always found you to be a classy person when we worked together in the same alliance a few rounds back. If you have no power over your alliance, you have no power to issue a formal (and unnecessary) DoW, assume responsibility for peace negotiations or to assume responsibility for setting military strategy, each of which you have done. Competant alliances have their government take charge of this sort of strategic decisions as opposed to letting a rank and file member dictate policy. I might add that I have spoken to a chap called Lord of Darkness, whose ingame nation bio describes himeself as your Emperor, and he told me that he shared my desire for a swift peace and he also told me that he PMed you with instructions to peace out. Was your emperor telling lies which would logically gain him nothing or are you deliberatly disobeying orders? If you are disobeying orders, you and your supporters are a rogue group who deserve to be expelled from your alliance. When I authorised retaliatory strikes against all members of your alliance, we had four members who were not in anarchy. Within a few hours, each person had declared war against three of your members. The other guy launched three wars as soon as he got out of anarchy. You had already used airstrikes and CM attacks along with issuing threats of nuclear attacks before we began our counterattack, threats that you went ahead with even though we had no nuclear capable nations. You have claimed in this thread that this was some sort of border skirmish and you are only now recognising a state of total war. We maxed out our offensive war slots and you didn't take the hint? Or are you trying to come up with a facesaving excuse for the fact that despite having no nukes (unlike your alliance) and being outnumbered by four to one, we are hurting your alliance? I've seen a lot of small alliance get raided by a big alliance and start an OWF thread complaining about the percieved injustice they have suffered and asking for the international community to right the wrong they feel they have suffered. This is the first time I have ever seen the initial raiders being the ones who supply all the whining. We've gone to a heck of a lot of effort to give you a chance to end a war that is rapidly turning your alliance into a laughing stock. Your IRC threats of continuing this war for the rest of the round don't frighten us because we have faced a similar scenario once before against worse odds, and we ended up winning that war. It is up to you to decide whether you have the maturity to accept your raid went wrong or whether you continue to dismantle the public image of your alliance rather than accept the fact that tech raiding carries risks. Your choice. Choose wisely. [/quote] I do not have power over my alliance, but, as I have repeatedly pointed out to you, I do have it over a subset of it. This isn't my first DoW of the round, either. For several rounds now I have also been the one representing my alliance during peace negotiations, and therefore I naturally still am doing it. As for that PM Angmar sent me, it read "Seriously?" I threatened what I did and nuked you as I did because I foresaw your retaliation at as absolutely inevitable. It's now real war, as I have ordered some people under my jurisdiction (UNLIKE THE ONES WHO HAVE ATTACKED YOU SO FAR, MOSTLY) to attack you guys. And we're not whining, you are. We're just pointing out fact while you're throwing fictitious nonsense at us. As for the "effort", it's more of a attempt from you guys to win this war through words. Shut up and play.

[quote name='KOwens06' timestamp='1299989609' post='2662332'] Just because I didn't want to nuke them due to me being stronger than them does not mean I accept them. After my nuke I bill locked them, thats why I didn't want to nuke them. Reading comprehension for the win [img]http://forums.cybernations.net/public/style_emoticons/default/awesome.gif[/img] [/quote] Oh, well. Your point?

[quote name='Mark Reynolds' timestamp='1299987170' post='2662242'] I believe that Master Ninja and Dolphin made our position quite clear multiple times during the lengthy IRC conversations; we don't want you to raid us again. Neither of them were able to deduce what it was that you wanted because you were unable to make a coherent and logical argument. I can post the IRC logs if you really want to embarass yourself even more. The "actual war guys"? Do you mean you have actually got members who are both organised and actually know that if you are going to buy 1k infra, a wonder and a bunch of improvements it might be an idea to invest in one or two soldiers? If you have some "actual war guys" (whatever that means; why bother playing TE if you aren't a war guy?) then either your alliance is not disorganised as you repeatedly claimed, or you went cap in hand to another alliance because you need bailing out in a war against a five member alliance with no nukes, which you personally chose to start. Are you a liar or merely inept? You have conspicuoulsy failed to explain why it is that you claim to have no power in your alliance, and yet you have issued a (redundant) DoW and in sending these fabled "actual war guys", now claim to be in charge of your military strategy. [/quote] Master Ninja and Dolphin have argued over this no raid list with me, and the disorganization is THIS SITUATION: -The Fellowship is not under my control. However, Smalls07, Dulceice, htmlmaster, and Cinerex come on IRC a lot, and usually do what I tell them to in the game world. -Only Dulceice is registered on the forums. Additionally, since I have no actual power over the WHOLE alliance, the no raid list cannot be established. -The "actual war guys" are actually ones who fit that description! Namely, dulceice and htmlmaster. So, I'll go with neither. -I have actually repeatedly successfully explained the situation. Stop spewing your rubbish and deal with it. Stating your point over and over again makes it no more correct. KOwens06: sure, but it seems you didn't appreciate LE's nukes, says the bio...

[quote name='Mark Reynolds' timestamp='1299985660' post='2662215'] He saw and replied to the public statement I issued acknowledging a state of war, and he had taken the war nuclear before I made that announcement, so it would hardly seem necessary for TF to subsequently issue a DoW. [/quote] It is, given the situation. This used to be a skirmish; it's about to be escalated.

Mark Reynolds: In peace talks, Master_Ninja obstinately refused to recognize the insults and threats in your PM. Karolina: It used to be more of a raid retaliation and etc. stuff. Now I'm calling in the actual war guys... for real war...

[quote name='LittleRena' timestamp='1299979413' post='2662102'] Clearly edited, no message window is that big Good luck. [/quote] pshh, EDIT: Oh, I just got it.

[img]http://i55.tinypic.com/ofolz7.jpg[/img] The Grey Council has been launching attacks and smear campaigns against the Fellowship. The image above verifies my points found in the topic [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=99677]here[/url]. Therefore, the Fellowship hereby declares war upon the Grey Council. (Not THAT war, real war.) Peace will be offered whenever GC decides to recognize this.

[quote]Most Attacking Casualties 1) 102,870 Soldiers Lost - Guppy Fish of Fish Tank - Black Team 2) 77,256 Soldiers Lost - WarFan of Run TMC - Yellow Team 3) 74,221 Soldiers Lost - colonel mustard of Mustardville - Blue Team 4) 73,042 Soldiers Lost - Runduckhide of NoCanDo - Blue Team 5) 71,845 Soldiers Lost - Bieber Fever of whatsabieber - Yellow Team [/quote] [quote]Most Defending Casualties 1) 84,054 Soldiers Lost - Senator of Ordo Paradoxia - Blue Team 2) 78,720 Soldiers Lost - colonel mustard of Mustardville - Blue Team 3) 75,892 Soldiers Lost - Vespassianus of Hungary - Pink Team 4) 75,159 Soldiers Lost - WarFan of Run TMC - Yellow Team 5) 73,237 Soldiers Lost - paul711 of Paulinca - Blue Team [/quote] [quote]Total Soldier Casualties 1) 152,941 Total Soldiers Lost - colonel mustard of Mustardville - Blue Team 2) 152,415 Total Soldiers Lost - WarFan of Run TMC - Yellow Team 3) 143,813 Total Soldiers Lost - Senator of Ordo Paradoxia - Blue Team 4) 124,402 Total Soldiers Lost - Vespassianus of Hungary - Pink Team 5) 122,572 Total Soldiers Lost - paul711 of Paulinca - Blue Team [/quote] Colonel Mustard takes it, with a place in each category! Congratulations on your #1 Total Casualties, too. 102,870 Attacking + 7,711 Defending = 110,581 Casualties Casualty Rank: Ranked #13 of 1,694 Nations (0.77%) I'm eyeballing that Total Casualties spot...

[quote name='paul711' timestamp='1299904268' post='2660962'] OMG that is funny [/quote] This!

Sarmatian Empire is correct. However, only my self-created side forums are public, and they are the ones mentioned here

[quote name='White Chocolate' timestamp='1299863712' post='2660006'] Let's see, five members of GC and 19 members of the Fellowship. However, Fellowship appears a tad unorganized whereas I'm sure GC is not. Mmmm - close call, but IF I were a betting woman I'd put my money on Grey Council [/quote] Yeah, most of our guys aren't overly organized... But I'm afraid I'll have to bet against you.

Thanks, though I don't think that's the TS's point...

[quote name='lonewolfe2015' timestamp='1299814096' post='2659473'] Everyone in the tournament was. The rest of us left the AA mid-round to make sure we gave people the chance to attack us rather than attack the tournament players when it became clear no one would touch them. As has been mentioned before, that plan backfired on us. [/quote] I'm still right, aren't I?

[quote name='White Chocolate' timestamp='1299812919' post='2659448'] Having been with Pork Shrimp for two flag run attempts (one serious, one not as much), even if I had no clue what the leadership had in mind (what they have in mind is exactly what Jack said), I'd know it's not a flag run. If anything, there would be far less "whining and complaining" if we were flag running because it draws attention, which is something one does NOT want in those situations. What Pork Shrimp likes is to win. I mean, we're talking an alliance that spent last round beating the snot out of each other JUST to see which one of us is the toughest! aka - who out of all of us in the ultimate winner? What you see as complaining and/or being "pissed off" (and others have mentioned appearing "overly confident") is really just cheering on team Pork Shrimp. TE is sport. Yeah, sometimes that's done directly - as in "Hail Pork Shrimp, we're the best" and sometimes it's done by poking fun at the other "team." Nothing serious meant by it, either way. [/quote] You're almost right, but I have to say... whatever happened last round, PS wasn't beating the snot out of itself.

[quote name='dy Cazaril' timestamp='1299809349' post='2659359'] I have no dog in this fight, but wouldn't that make you a [i]de facto[/i] authority? I mean, if nobody else is in authority, and you're assuming the powers of those normally in authority, I would call you an authority figure. [/quote] As far as I'm aware, Angmar is [i]the[/i] authority. So, there kinda is I guess I could kinda be... but not exactly.

I have no authority, but I seem to be the one who does this stuff anyway.

Go Shurukian!

I too recognize this state of war. However, you have several incorrect points: -First of all, I have NO POSITION OF AUTHORITY in the Fellowship. Furthermore, I have admin powers on the forums because I created them: Angmar, as you may have noticed, hasn't even registered on them; the same is true for most the rest of our alliance. -Second, you responded to my attacks and those of Cinerex by attacking not just us, but many members of the Fellowship: hence I declined your original peace offer. -Third, you sent me an insulting initial PM with a title "Regarding your cowardice" and with plenty of threats and insults inside. -Finally, did you expect me to sit there and send you cautious GAs while you were completely destroying others, even if you weren't really hurting me? Therefore, I initially rejected your peace. Nice smear campaign, which you already threatened on the forums... I will reopen to peace negotiations on Friday, March 11, 2011. -Fish

I applaud Confusion.

Congratulations, Pork Shrimp!