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  1. berbers
    I think people should use strategy, I just find Umbrella type strategies abhorrent. Also it would not surprise me that the weaker nations were thrown in to be nuclear sponges so the bigger nations don't get hurt as bad. I guess me and Rebel don't disagree on everything :P
  2. berbers
    I was referring to the top two nations on Mongols, i originally thought JoshuaR only declared on one of those but when I rechecked I realized he hit both and changed my wording to 1 umbrella nation. I believe in one of my responses I actually said top two nations, but when I was speakiny of the monster nations, that is who I meant. I never said Umbrella pushed you into the firing line, just that they didn't volunteer to go with you when you did. Which ties into my opinion on this war and Umbrella in general. I Don't recall saying they were doing a bad job of protecting their stats, I think they do a great job of protecting their stats :/
  3. berbers
    I am sure they will be as long as you do everything they want and don't complain. Mi6 used to say they were great allies as well and we all know how that turned out.
  4. berbers
    But that's just like...your opinion, man. Edit: that was meant for auctors comment
  5. berbers
    It really boils down to perception, because in my mind a good ally would have worked with you to maximize the damage to the enemy and minimize it to the coalition. My perception based on experience is that this is not how Umbrella does business. For example, if Umb had a CB against SPaTR, I highly doubt they would have thrown themselves at those monsters without asking everyone to go along for the ride. But anyways, we can only go around and around on this issue since it's very much opinion based. We shall see what the stats say at the end.
  6. berbers
    Two nations are very much bigger than the rest, which there are exactly 1 umb nations fighting. What purpose does it serve to throw Sengoku nations with less tech at Tim and BONES while the big Umb nations hit the smaller nations? Anyway, there is almost no point in arguing when this can be easily settled by looking at the stats when the war ends. If I end up wrong, I will aknowledge that, I just don't think I will be wrong. And it's not like I expect anyone allied to Umb to agree with me, we all know what happened to the last Umbrella ally to question their behaviour ;) Edit: 4 umbrella wars against the biggest nations, for kicks why not look at how many Sengoku nations with comparatively low tech levels are engaged on those same nations?
  7. berbers
    I see lots of wars involving Tim and Bones, only 1 Umb nation got in on that though. You seem to have taken the brunt of that one. My comment of them coming in many days later and not participating against the truly monstrous nations at the level they should stands.
  8. berbers
    Many days late and only 1 war declared against the truly monstrous nations. With friends like that, who needs enemies. Maybe we will find out if they have turned over a NEW leaf soon :D Edit: white fish (pollack) flavoured to taste like crab is better than actual crab. There I said it.
  9. berbers
    I will turn out right in the end, if you take a standard metric such as nations greater than 25K tech right now and then look at that post war, I guarantee you Umbrella manages to have the lowest percentage reduction amongst the warring AA's. I will even go so far to say I expect Umbrella to use this war to bring the world back to a time they had the by far dominant upper tier, before the IRON and NPO upper tier resurgence. I can admit when I am wrong and will do so if the stats prove me wrong, but it's not like Umbrella has a reputation for going all out for coalitions, as opposed to NPO who usually shoulder far more than their fair share of a coalitions burden.
  10. berbers
    One of the times I was wrong about, the others I maintain are valid. Who is currently in a position to take more damage from this round of wars, Sengoku or Umbrella? I believe during this war the answer will not change. Maybe its just a fluke Umb takes significantly less damage than almost everyone in every war ever.
  11. berbers
    I have no problem with a fair fight or a beatdown, I do have a problem with avoiding damage on the backs of my allies though :/
  12. berbers
    I never said you sent them out to be sacrificed, I said you will look at the situation as it develops and limit your damage, regardless of the cost to your allies. You will use things like <insert issue that can't be discussed here> throughout this war and it will result in you being less engaged than your weighting would suggest. There's the rub isn't it, Umbrella has no problem with ghost declarations or pre-emptives or anything else as long as it doesn't cause them to fight on a remotely even footing. When that time comes it's always excuses like "well you can't expect us to go against our interests, my goodness" I withdraw that point then, I extrapolated something I shouldn't have. It didn't work out in the end, but it worked out for Umbrella in the end. Funny how when it all goes bad, it's never you left holding the bag though eh? Just people you left in the dust while you clawed your way out of tough fights over the beaten remains of your ex-allies and sometimes current ones. Well I mean if we aren't going to express our opinions, what's the point of even having an OWF? I'm also not trying to say you are screwing Sengoku so much as reminding my buddies in NPO who they jumped into bed with. It's always good times with Umbrella until the going gets a bit tough...
  13. berbers
    I remember there being some discussion that AZTEC didn't want to expand outside of the TOP front, so I assumed that meant Umbrella wasn't fighting you, otherwise that line of discussion would have been pointless. I do not have screenshots or anything other than memory, so if I am wrong, then I withdraw that point.
  14. berbers
    Weird, for some reason I thought the goons hit was right before the sanction, either way... Your protectorate gets hit on the 13th, Sengoku engages with massive up declares and a huge disadvantage on the 15th, then many days later you decide that GOONS needs defending and declare 1 war on their top two and even manage some downdeclares on others. Forgive me if I am wrong, wouldn't it have made more sense for your bigger tech nations to hit BONES and Tim while Sengoku attacked people with comparable tech? I mean you guys joined the party once nukes were fairly used up and Sengoku were pulverized. Or was defending GOONS not a priority until Sengoku sucked up a ton of damage instead of you? See above, they could have gone in first and actually participated at the level their nations would indicate they should in a bloc setting. Not really a master plan, more of a by-product of Umbrella culture. There are plenty of examples, like letting your allies take on the other dominant upper tier in the first NpO/SF stomp by not engaging FARK, by not engaging AZTEC on the TOP front in Eq, even when you won the upper tier war on your front, by allying anyone that would be a threat to your upper tier and sticking a knife in the back of your old coalition after Disorder and now letting Sengoku take the big hits from super nations while you wait until its a good time to come in. You do realize that some of the architects of that war are in your bloc right now lol. Why not just say you want revenge only on the people not helping you currently :/ Yeah, they dove into a bunch of people who have been pulverizing their allies for days, when they could control who and what got hit and when nukes were running low. Top notch people those Umbrellans. Oh and if it expands, they will use treaty ties to avoid the serious fight, you know it, I know it. Well your actions this war are just consistent with prior wars really, nothing shocking. I'm just worried about the AA's in Occulus that I genuinely like, if this goes a certain way and Umbrella doesn't get things the exact way they want, in all likelihood they will do another patented side switch and end up rolling some good friends.
  15. berbers
    You do realize you are in a bloc with more people involved in that war than are in SPaTR? Double points if you can identify them and triple points if you identify the ones also involved in the WTF war that you are currently allied to :/
  16. berbers
    Yeah I guess you are right, it's not like Umb had managed to avoid tough fights every war except Eq. Or bailed on allies when it would have meant fighting anywhere near parity in the upper tier. I'd bet dollars to donughts that Umb already has a strategy in place to ensure their upper tier doesn't take as much of a pounding as everyone else's. Edit: for example? Mongols hit GOONS before Hart got sanctioned, but Umb only engaged after all the big nations were anarchied :/
  17. berbers
    Nooo NPO, you guys finally just got a decent upper tier :( Keep an eye on Umb, their best case scenario is everyone loses their big nations except them, it's bred into their culture to need to have the biggest peen I mean upper tier. There would have been better AA's to hit SPaTR, since they have treaties that might have stopped counters, so unless you guys did this on purpose to lure in others, you might have been used a bit :(
  18. berbers
    The problem is you have to wait 25 hours before you can nuke and the super tier have to many soldiers to anarchy with a quad. There is literally no way to stop the counters unless the super tier people are inactive for 25+ hours.
  19. berbers
    Did RUKUNU get two awards on purpose?
  20. berbers
    No, I begged them to let me join so I could get in on the action, but you do bring up a reasonable point, I am technically at war with Valhalla at this point and it's not fair of me to cause them trouble to satisfy my bloodlust. The AA I joined wasn't sanctioned, a member of it was. We left the AA we created and joined up with another AA, at no point did we go rogue. KC might have started off as a rogue entity, but we forged an AA together with a purpose, we even had a charter but we Addaff lost it in the sanctions. I personally view the gratuitous use of sanctions by Hart as an affront against Admin and I fight under his banner! I don't think MINC should be sanctioned either, regardless of whoever wants them sanctioned. Your last paragraph about Valhalla is invalid, we declared war against an AA, all Bones did was sanction one nation, and then received a disproportionate response when multiple AA's were attacked. See above
  21. berbers
    I wasn't referring to Addaff, Isolator or myself when I made those comments about nations floating about AA's, I was talking about the people that were hit on the Mongols and SPaTR AA's. Here's how it looks from my angle: Berbers, Isolator, Addaff make an AA separate and distinct from any other AA That AA declares war against Valhalla Isolator gets cute and spies Roq, triggering an Umbrella assault Umbrella gets Isolator sanctioned (which I don't agree with, as this was not a rogue attack) Berbers and Addaff leave the original AA and join King Cyan's AA as our beef was with Valhalla and not Umb IRON and VE engage people hitting Valhalla from KC's AA (totally legit, allies helping defend against another AA) Hartfw sanctions Addaff on pink with no consultation or attempt at diplomatic resolution and breaks a bunch of TC's for unconnected individuals (I do not agree with this) BONES, a senator, sanctions Hartfw for his earlier unwarranted sanction (I would have just used diplomacy and had the sanction on Addaff removed, but BONES does things his way, I do things my way) Sengoku then hits everyone on SPaTR and Mongols, even though BONES is not the leader of SPaTR, nobody else on Mongols did anything and some of those on the Mongols AA are dual members with other AA's I can categorically state I did not have dual member status that would provide protection with any AA, we created our own AA and did what we wanted. Sengoku applied collective punishment against multiple individuals for the actions of one person. I think there seems to be some confusion, three people made an AA and decided to declare war on Valhalla, this was not connected to BONES in any way. None of those three claimed any protection from anyone, although we do object to using sanctions against us. Bones clearly has a vision of what pink should look like when it comes to sanctioning, and he clearly thought Hart crossed a line by wielding the sanctions in such a manner. The fact is, if Hart had not utilized sanctions against a legitimate AA at war, none of this would have happened. And they overreacted to the actions of one senator by hitting everyone, without even attempting dialogue, even though their actions precipitated the crisis. The only dual members who were wronged here were the ones on the Mongols and SPaTR AA's who did nothing wrong. Nah, I was fine with Valhalla's allies helping them out, it was war after all. I just don't like people throwing sanctions around like that on a sphere that has very limited uses of those. Addaff was not sponsored by Doom, none of us were. We have no idea what Mongols would have done, maybe used diplomacy? But they didn't really have a choice did they? In terms of leaving it at a nation level, Commander Bean raided Valhalla, but you didn't see anyone run in to attack TAO. Why? Because people talked and resolved the situation, which is what should have happened here. And yes TAO was a DBDC protectorate, but Mongols is a SPaTR protectorate and they could easily have talked to them before reacting militarily. Overall, I just don't understand why one sanction from BONES caused a dogpile on everyone around him without even a whisper of diplomacy, especially considering some of the nations that were hit. And yes I am putting my nation where my mouth is, I am joining up with Mongols to help defend against this aggression :D
  22. berbers
    Far be it for me to argue with the great and powerful Argent emperor, may his reign be eternal, but Hart was speaking about the actions of 1 individual. If Sengoku wanted to respond to the sanction by BONES, why not leave it at the nation level? It's pretty common knowledge that some people float between AA's but are considered dual members of other AA's. What did Tim or Gatorback do to Sengoku besides happening to be on the same AA as BONES? Using that logic, maybe BONES should have santioned all of Sengoku for Hart's original unwarranted sanction, since he was the leader and all. This is a clear cut case of Sengoku aggression, and all world leaders should join together in condemning the actionsbof the vile pirate king Hartfw and his band of misfits! Down with the Sengokuan Hegemony!
  23. berbers
    I very publicly posted my reasons for hitting Valhalla, I just hope this new era of openess and transparency applies to Sengoku and they answer the questions that the masses pose.
  24. berbers
    Why not just hit BONES then? Why did you hit DBDC members sitting on his AA?
  25. berbers
    That is great :D
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