Asriel Belacqua
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Schatt, reallly, you used to be funny. It's pathetic what you are basing your arguments off of now though. Truly, taking shots at 57th implying they don't know what an ODOAP is? That is pathetic. Considering that... hmm... Oh yes, the ODOAP was only announced AFTER 57th declared. So really? What is there to say you did't pull it out of nowhere when you realized 57th DoW'd? All you are is a joke if the best argument you can make is "Hurr durr they don't know what an ODOAP is" when the ODOAP was a complete secret, and thats only if we actually believe that you two signed the ODOAP earlier that morning.
Believe what you want. If you really want to escalate this debate, you can take a look at the thread in which we voted (unanimously btw) on it. We then took it to IRC and told CoJ with utmost haste since they've been waiting on our reply for quite some time.
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December 29, 2009 - BC says "2. The 57th are our blood rivals."
January 3, 2010 - The 57th says "While we're flattered that you think we're your blood rivals, we do not."
Really? Please read the facts.
Let's add on to that: January 3rd, after the DoW: Kodiak (a higher-ranking member in 57th, and in an official capacity) says: "We want to end you. that is our goal."
January 4th, former 57th member says that hatred runs deep on 57th's side (and he's still allied to them, I doubt too much hatred is between him and them).
January 4th, Asriel Belacqua (that's me) says "I have received loads upon loads of hatemail from various people in 57th BEFORE this incident ever occurred (and in fact, right around the time we remade BC)." Those people include Veneke, and Lord Panda. So let's stop this madness about the gorrammed hatred.
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I like your avatar. Have you had it for the last 2-3 years or something?
But seriously, I can't say I'm surprised Nintenderek was a major player in this. We need only look back at the Bubblegum War...
Saintsmaen, I still like you as a friend, please don't betray that mate, but honestly, Bubblegum War is way behind everyone. I have even forgiven Schattenmann (who as THE major player in that) and we're best buddies now. Also, I think you seem to forget, that while Nintenderek may be Foreign Minister, I am the Prime Minister. There is more to the situation than "he's a major player in it." If Bubblegum war 2.0 even tried starting, I'd end it. It's not, and hasn't, so please don't make that comparison.
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Are we now turning this thread into who hates who more?
I wasn't going to, but now that you mention it.....
Seriously, let's all sing Kum-by-ah until Veneke gets on and we can have a lovely chat about where to go.
I wasn't really a fan of this war when it started and would like to see it not escalate any further.
However, if it did, it might give all the whiners out there something to be happy about.
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Really? "hey duders, what's going on? lol woahhhh"? It doesn't take 3 brain cells to notice the time difference between the 57th's DoW, and the cessation of hostilities and realize what actually happened.
No, it doesn't, however the "we want to end BC2" thing after the whole white peace thread had long been public definitely puts a little wrench in things.
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It is quite possible to be motivated by more than 1 thing.
And since "motivation" is more or less defined as the reason someone does something, then ya, your hatred is/was a motivator, by your own admission. You just don't like the way it sounds.
Not OUR hatred mate. I especially gave up on that rivalry long ago. It was a perceived hatred of us that was the motivation.
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So what you're saying is... it motivated you.
Gotcha.
Not really mate. The main concern was our allies.
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It's not my job to help 57th Overlanders, it's my obligation and option to help Browncoats. 57th is a 43-nation alliance and its treaties are a good little hub for CC, on the other hand CoJ is 10 nations and holds 2 optional treaties. I knew there was white peace and acted accordingly, why didn't 57th? CC had 45 minutes to let everyone know.
Aye, even I knew there was white peace before the official post. I'm hardly a relevant member of either side, according to most people here.
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LoSS what the hell?
There is a possibility for a quick and peaceful resolution to this and you go and declare? I can't say that is the smartest move.
I might see you at the peace talks tomorrow to sort this mess out.
To be fair, especially to my allies in LoSS, they did not declare until after the initial talks had ended with 57th's only leader who was on saying, in essence they want to "end BC2" and would settle for "nothing less." After that was stated, he said no more would happen until Veneke got on. It was after that point that LoSS came in defense of the Browncoats and declared war.
Also, to those saying "Bubblegum War 2.0." No. Simply No. I hated that war when it happened (and was not a member of BC at the time) and I still hate it now. No. Just. Friggen. NO!
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Hatred is never a proper motivation, Derek.
Never said that was our motivation, just said it gave that much more reason.
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after that let down tonight Idk if I can get excited about War 2.0
Already 50 DoWs up (nationally)... hardly any Peace Mode nations.
This war's already bigger than the Blue Balls War.
Hate to say it guys, but, small alliances have outdone all your grand alliances in terms of attacking capabilities.
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This goes out to the Browncoat's friends:
This goes out to our lovely friends in the 57th:
And this goes out to anyone who wants to know what we Browncoats are all about:
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Updated to the new random war, Just in case it DOES go global
Weee.. small alliances being noticed ITT.
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Can I please be the first to suggest a name for this war?
how about the "He's just not that into you" war?
I like that name. I'm just not that into you. (B
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The issue is this, wars to end alliances are not cool. Ever.
I would also like to agree with this. Browncoats never intended to "end" the 57th Overlanders. However, I hear that's what they want of us (insert Kodiak saying things here).
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I would ask that any member of NSO that feels the need to post here please be mindful of their comments.
The NSO is not involved in this conflict and while it does somewhat effect our trading sphere until such time as our actual treaty partners are involved we should hold our tongues as much as possible regarding the specifics of the war.
That is a great idea. I think I should say that it should go for everyone as well, though I know I'll be ignored.
Well, the don't chain together properly. The 57th are a small alliance, are you saying whoever they attacked, plus LoSS, plus Nemesis, plus CoJ would have needed Browncoats to come in and save the day aggressively with an ODP?I'm not going to lie, 57th could have easliy ignored this and just waited for the next time they'd be outnumbered in a war that BC could take advantage of. But rather than waiting to be attacked they've pre-emptively granted BC what they wish they had the balls to do themselves and go for a war right now. Again, I fail to see the problem, maybe I need to attend the Athens school for cb's.
Regarding the "Attacking aggressively via ODP" part: Look at CoJ's DoW topic, it states that we have an ODOAP with them, and we do.
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You'd have to be pretty dim to believe it has anything to do with 'supporting allies'.
Actually, it has more to do with supporting allies than you'd think. It took a while for CoJ to convince us to even have that vote. You notice things started on the 27th, and the poll was taken around the 31st/1st of january? There is a reason for that. Noticing little things has a tendency to make your assumptions a little closer to the truth.
The thread titles says it, the thread says it, and the only reason it is happening is because their allies are in it. Yeah, obviously BC hates 57th. That doesn't dispute it was being done in the context of a global war, where their ally was slated to attack an alliance, and asked for support. It seems silly to declare on them for this.As does 57th hate us. I would give logs, but logdumping is 2009 material, so I'll save you all the pain.
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Good to know that you guys have our backs, through thick and thin. It is always an honour to be your allies, and your brothers-in-arms on the battlefield.
To arms mates, to arms.
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Really Asriel?
So you gain information that another alliance was planning to destroy you, but they actually don't because their plan failed when the global war ended. Are we supposed to coexist peacefully now? I don't think so.
Also, the poll on that screenie shows you did -not- vote against warring us. It passed, what, 5-2? Nice.
Yes, really Roosterton. I wasn't saying we were supposed to coexist peacefully, though I wasn't saying we should necessarily go to war either. Also, the poll on that screenie is not done. New members can join you see, and we count their vote as well. Also, that's not the only vote that matters. There were votes done at the government level after those screenshots that later determined we will not be going to war.
Again, regardless, doesn't much matter any more. You guys chose to act aggressively, so we will all have to live with it.
For those who are saying Nemesis came out of nowhere: We have been working closely with nemesis and have been developing strong ties to them over the past few months. You don't need a treaty to declare in support of a friend, however much your e-lawyers want to state you do.
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There are several problems I see with this, the biggest of which is:
Browncoats, CoJ, etc, voted against going to war against the 57th anyway. The votes and such were in case the war that just ended, ended up going to our allies, which it didn't so this didn't matter much anyway.
Regardless, you guys have made your choice, hopefully you can live with it.
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Officially nominate this war be named WWE: Worst. War. Ever.
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If you have nothing nice to say, then keep your mouth shut.
TFD, you guys are welcome over to our forums whenever you want
Also lol @ people trying to make this drama-tastic. Don't you have enough fodder?
No. I am a cranky old man who has nothing better to do in this game than find things to yell at. So, you young whipper-snapper, GET OFF MY LAWN!
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I want to know.
Try to keep baiting and "bring it" rhetoric and propaganda out of this thread.
OH YEAH AETERNOS ASTRAMORA?! YEAH?!?! REALLY?!?!
YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK????
I THINK YOU SHOULD BRING IT!
*insert propaganda**insert propaganda**insert propaganda**insert propaganda**insert propaganda**insert propaganda**insert propaganda**insert propaganda**insert propaganda**insert propaganda**insert propaganda**insert propaganda**insert propaganda**insert propaganda**insert propaganda**insert propaganda**insert propaganda*
Yeah. That's what I thought.
Also, NO U! Just in case I don't come back to reply early enough.
Also, voted Don't care to the want to win, and Mutual Destruction with no clear victor.
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TFD was and still is a great group of people that I consider friends. Two Great Wars have shown that we simply are not anywhere near each other politically. In our estimation, treaties must reflect both friendship and political relevance.</div>
I am just wondering about this part of this (and please do not take this as trolling, it is simply a question that you don't even have to answer), but it appears as though you are saying that you are cancelling this treaty, not because you aren't still friends, but because it's basically bad politics.
I understand that politics is something that must be played well on Bob, but I fear that friendship is becoming an increasingly hard thing to find here as well, and friends are the ones who will always have your back, and should, regardless of politics. Maybe I'm just a bit old fashioned though and come from times that have long been gone.
CoJ and Nemesis DoW
in Alliance Announcements (IC)
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I'm jealous...
of your avatar.