Kalasin

[quote name='Brehon' timestamp='1323187870' post='2865730'] You should have stayed as Fran. You built a persona on it. Good & Bad depending on the player. Was kind of you to send me tech, but I have declined (I am just weird like that). But I do want to say thank you. Thank you for being a vocal member and adding you view and participation in this community. Many don't know (or maybe they do) you always had the good and kind personal action if you felt you went too far. You also were always looking out for people potentially setting themselves up for violating forum rules. I was absolutely harsh on you during the NPO exit and as the IA IO I certainly gathered all the info used against you. It was a tough time and I am sure it bothered you to a personal degree. For my part I am sorry for discomfort it caused you. Beyond any insanity (come on we all have it) you were/are a member of this community and you did your part. So thank you and if it means anything, know I wish you the very best. o/ [/quote] Didn't really see this one coming. Now I actually have to say something nice. Uh... thanks! I didn't know that you realised I made a habit out of PMing people if I noticed they had violated the forum rules. By the way, the reason for the aid I sent you extended to far more than a post or two I made on the OWF recently. It was intended to reflect also that I have no hard feelings about what happened in 2009. It's such a long time ago after all. I'm a bit surprised that more people haven't asked for tech. If it was me I wouldn't have turned down a bit of free tech, but eh.

[quote name='Brehon' timestamp='1323080537' post='2863579'] <snip> [/quote] You know, my post was a bit harsh. Sorry. I do disagree with what you wrote but I kind of bit your head off when it was a fairly reasoned post.

[quote name='Stonewall Jaxon' timestamp='1323064816' post='2863401'] Funny, I don't exactly remember CnG complaining about Polar's misdeeds during the BiPolar conflict. [/quote] They were pretty pissed with NpO actually. Not for turning on TOP but for other things.

Thanks Zeta, I enjoyed our conversations. And yeah, I am going to be a writer of some description, someday.

[quote name='TehChron' timestamp='1323052651' post='2862937'] The story of your time here is one of people giving you chances only to get nothing but barbs in return, Fran. That the only thing you're disputing is whether or not you were ever an NSO member (oh how terrible!) rather than the fact that you burned me and I got burned on your behalf is kind of telling. Well, whatever, it's nice to see some things never change. You're really the only person Ive ever truly looked down upon in Cybernations, Fran. The only one. And the only one I've ever really had a true grudge against. The only one. Continue to talk about how you don't care, though, Fran. That kind of narcissism was always, has always, and always will, be your problem. I hope to god maybe someday you'll outgrow it and have a happy life, because narcissism is a very lonely thing. Have fun in real life, Fran. [/quote] Your whole point about how I supposedly burned you revolves around how I joined NSO only to sell you out. I did no such thing, although I'm amused that you've held a grudge against me for so long without me realising it. The only person I have ever betrayed in this game was Polonius. I truly regret it. I won't try and justify my actions because there is no possible justification for selling out your friends the way I did him, but I can only say that everyone makes mistakes. As for you? I owe you nothing. I wish you well for the rest of your time playing CN and in real life also.

[quote name='TehChron' timestamp='1323051672' post='2862905'] How clever of you since we've just switched boards and have none of that kind of thing to link to...? Yeah, you're obsessed with being in the right all the time. I get it. If you're going to go and talk about how you have no regrets, don't be annoyed when someone points out a grudge they still have unresolved against you. Well, I wouldn't really call it a grudge at that point, more like a lingering headache. I'm far from the only person you've burned and then forgot it ever happened in favor of your next crusade, and frankly I don't feel like going through the effort of trying to meet some kind of burden of proof to accuse you of anything. It's been 2 years since, and I honestly just don't like you. That's what happened, I've said what I wanted to say, and now I can look forward to the soon to come day where I can finally not have any more reminders of how much of a headache you've caused me when browsing these forums. Have fun in real life, Fran. [/quote] Believe it or not I don't follow everything that happens in NSO. I didn't know you had switched boards recently. Frankly though I know my own history better than you do. I remember you tried to talk me into joining NSO, I even had talks with some of your guys on IRC, but then I decided not to. I dare you to provide any evidence to the contrary. IRC logs, anything you like. In the end though, it doesn't matter. I don't much care. You don't like me for whatever reason. That's fine. I don't have a particularly high opinion of you either.

[quote name='TehChron' timestamp='1323051254' post='2862890'] You did for 3 weeks back in 2009 or so, right before you rerolled. A pretty ugly 3 weeks it was for me. But...yeah, Im really not that surprised you don't remember. Youre not the type to. [/quote] I didn't. Link me to my application on your boards, you won't find it.

[quote name='TehChron' timestamp='1323049128' post='2862854'] Its sad to see you go, Fran, but you are going to go and take up a real life, and having done that myself over and over again over the years I cant really say anything but "good job". But during your time in the NSO your temper and pride came back to bite me in the ass so many, many times with people who put their trust in me, and then you left the alliance, with me holding the bag. You have never apologized, and honestly, Im not looking for one. So while you may be leaving in a classy manner, and you certainly are upgrading your investment of time, I don't wish you anything except to not come back. You give me a headache, and every time you come to mind you always will. Good luck in real life, Francesca, I hope you don't look back. Yeah, I can be petty too outside of acting. What a shock. [/quote] I have no idea what you are talking about. I have never joined NSO as either Francesca or Kalasin. Do you have me confused with someone else?

[quote name='the rebel' timestamp='1323016110' post='2862298'] Through seeing your posts in the debate sections here, I find the bolded humourous anyways so long Francesca. [/quote] I'm not in the slightest judgmental. Both ingame and in real life, I harbour no ill will towards anyone anymore (or try not to) whether they are my friends or my enemies. This is the whole idea behind this thread. I am, however, politically incorrect and proudly so. 'Political correctness is tyranny with manners', said Charlton Heston, and he is quite right. Anyone who dares to hold deviant opinions is demonised as an evil bigot. [/parting shot at the Boiler Room people.] Funnily enough I almost excluded people who post in the Boiler Room regularly from my offer of free tech. They really are an illogical bunch.

[quote name='NoMercy' timestamp='1323002821' post='2862186'] Also, goodbye. Let's bet 500 tech, you'll be back. [/quote] No, I won't. When I rerolled last time I made it clear I would come back under an alias. If I was going reroll, I would say so. That has been my modus operandi for the past year or so: to say exactly what I think. I really have no intention of wasting my time on a dying game when I could be having a life.

Nominate Deinos if it hasn't been already (I'm not going to bother to read the whole thread.)

Sent.

So yeah, I’m quitting. I was tempted to go rogue but I was rogued myself recently by a guy substantially larger than myself and I can't be bothered putting the effort into rebuilding enough to hit the people I want to hit. Furthermore, I decided I wanted to do something unique on my way out, so rather than causing damage to everyone I dislike which has been done hundreds of times before, I decided to give something to friends and enemies alike. Thus, if you want free tech (and possibly money when I can collect outside of nuclear anarchy) make a post and ask for it in this thread, regardless of whether I like you or not, and I'll shoot you some aid (yes, this means I'll be around for another two or three cycles sending out aid. You'll have the pleasure of my acerbic wit and insightful posts until then.) Oh and just so everyone knows, you'll have to wait for my slots to open as well, but I'll get my current sellers to help me send tech. I’ve meant to delete for a while actually but things kept getting in the way or friends talked me out of it. I've never been one for shoutouts. I liked some of you and frankly didn’t like most of you. I won’t list every friend I’ve ever had. If I liked you, you probably knew it, and if I didn’t like you it’s likely you knew that too. Gatherum and Arsenal were, however, particularly close to me. I was always kind of disappointed people never gave me a second chance having been Francesca. I made many mistakes on that character but they were for a plethora of complicated reasons. People like Omni have frankly weird political views but it doesn’t mean they are stupid or bad people, it just means that they have a complicated history which leads them to have views which don’t fit neatly into ‘the C&G opinion’ or ‘the SF opinion’. In retrospect I should have just picked an opinion and gone with the flow, but I didn’t. I suppose the most positive way to describe that is simply that I’m a freethinker, but it was the reason I flip-flopped back and forth between different political perspectives, and never adopted opinions merely because they were held by most people in my alliance, which did not make me popular. You also have to bear in mind that real life also affects people’s gameplay, and it certainly did for me. A lot of people who play this game are screwed up in real life.. they’re depressed or unemployed or whatever... and CN is a form of escapism, because here they can be an elite spymaster or government member and are not limited by their circumstances in real life. When you pour your time into CN it helps you cope. This is one of the reasons I was so active on the OWF in 2009.. people thought I was out for attention when in reality I was running away from some serious problems in real life. But hey, I’m trying to persuade a bunch of people on the internet to be less judgmental. How far am I realistically going to get. People seem to think I'm still bitter towards NPO. I'm not. I forgave them a couple of months ago and even sent a PM to Cortath to apologise for how bitter I had been. However, our experiences in this game shape our opinions. I believe I was burned by NPO for no good reason and I retain a negative opinion of them. This is perfectly reasonable. I don’t know precisely which ODN members interfered with my application to MK. What you did is pathetic. I won’t reroll. I’m weary of CN. Much love to my friends. ~Kalasin.

[quote name='TehChron' timestamp='1322994737' post='2862111'] That being said, this discussion isnt about you, it's about...Oh look, [/quote] Quite so. Whether or not Fark's move really will change the treaty web or result in a different outcome for them in this war, I am glad they did this because it was a surprising move which alleviated a little of the monotony of this community. Frankly though if they're hoping this will swing things in their favour, it won't. I'm not sure FAN cares though.

[quote name='shahenshah' timestamp='1322993647' post='2862094'] Are you implying you're competent politically Fran? [/quote] I say precisely what I think on these forums. That doesn't win me many friends, a fact of which I am well aware. Decide for yourself how accurate you think my analysis is.

[quote name='TRON IX' timestamp='1322991528' post='2862067'] I've seen your "warchest". I wouldn't be calling ANYONE an incompetent fool. -Tron(derp)ix [/quote] My ability to build a nation has nothing to do with CN politics or Brehon's failure to answer a question I directed to someone else.

[quote name='Brehon' timestamp='1322973362' post='2861474'] Really Fran? I mean I see the rationale (its flawed but I see it). Its pretty hard for most to tell where NPO is and who really likes us, because frankly that list is still small. So if you were going to go out on an alliance, why not go out on one that you already don't like and will generally gather the least sympathy so potential counters are reduced. Additionally if you wanted to draw in some others based on ties, NPO has just enough ties to attempt to draw people out. Really its not a bad move... its just a few months late. Do all of this and in some offshoot show some support to an alliance that you are tied to that is becoming more and more isolated... it works. And then if we drop all the theory craft, follow suit of a war, pick an old issue and end boredom. [/quote] You are an incompetent fool. SoL implied Fark and FAN gained tactical advantage from attacking NPO and I asked how. Their dislike of NPO is irrelevant to my question. Stop trying to play the victim. NPO is not disliked anymore. In fact, it is cool to like NPO at the moment. You are currently in the process of sucking up to the dominant power structures and it is succeeding to the extent that your age-old enemies in C&G and MK may even go to war for you.

[quote name='SeasonsOfLove' timestamp='1322922242' post='2860630'] It took me 5 minutes to figure out exactly why you were the one to jump into this war, onto NPO specifically, rather than Polar's allies countering specifically. The strategy is smart, I'll give you that, but if it took 5 minutes for me to unravel it, it's incredibly transparent (OOC: I've been out of CN for 3 months). I appreciate the move, because I recognize that it would've worked perfectly in this world 4 years ago. Unfortunately, Fark, it is not 2007 any more, and so a move this transparent will not work out the way you so intend because alliances now have this habit of ignoring one of two conflicting treaties in a war to do what they want, or simply ignoring the first treaty activated in order to be on the side they prefer. I'll give you kudos for having the cajones to make this move, though. [/quote] Enlighten us, what exactly is the rationale behind this move?

Oh God, this is absolutely amazing.

The schizophrenic nature of this place amuses me. One moment you have the endless complaints about how CN is dying, and the next moment you have stupid threads debating killing one of the few remaining antagonists around, headed by one of the few people with the balls to do stuff. It reminds me of how people complain about how boring peacetime is, then when the wars happen complain that the wars are too boring or whine when someone has the guts to stir things up. Grass is always greener, eh?

[quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1322822336' post='2859283'] Disbanding is pointless now there's such a movement against it. The 'planet' has reached a stage where there is nothing gained from saving your nation and leaving the alliance. We're set in our ways. There's too much time invested into the alliances (rather than the 'planet') so that the community is more important the [OOC] ffs this is getting frustrating. No one gives a !@#$ about the game anymore, we all play for the community. There is no incentive to keep your nation so you can play the game because the game has taken a back seat to the community in terms of a player's priorities. If you want to disband an alliance, they'll just say no. And to force the disbandment, you'll need to continue your war for god knows how long (pun unintended), which would hurt the aggressor's alliance as much as the one that his to be eliminated.[/ooc] tl;dr disbandment won't work with a strong community. GOD is a strong community. [/quote] You're assuming everyone thinks like you. Frankly they don't. There are an awful lot of people still around who care about their nations. Take Polar for example. Are you seriously claiming, for example, that every single member of Polaris (that's like 250 members or something by the way) is there because they love the NpO so much? In an alliance like Umbrella that's a possibility but not a non-elitist alliance.

[quote name='Kzoppistan' timestamp='1322776128' post='2858486'] Give me an honorary degree now or I'll murder you in the face. Just to speed up the process, since your reply is superfluous in regards to my aims, I'll just [i]take[/i] that honorary degree. There. That was easy. ~ President Mr.Otingocni, PHD; Ruler of Kzoppistan Primarily and Everything Else By Default Dean of the College of Social Sciences, Prof. of Sociopathology and Advanced Antagonism [/quote] Haha, Kzopp, I love your posts.

[quote name='NoMercy' timestamp='1322723342' post='2857959'] After this we will Perma-Eternal- and forever ZI you. Then we can say to have achieved everything. If Polar wants a round, they sure as hell are invited. [/quote] Try it anytime, sunshine.

Oh God, who do I cheer for. Probably Polar.

I would *love* to say that I had a doctorate in Sociopathology and Advanced Antagonism. Consider me down even just for that reason. Also, only Ivan Moldavi.