Toshiro Hitsugaya

Personally I think the Leadership of an alliance does not get enough credit, apparently like big-joe has said Keve69 is away on vacation... from what I have heard they keep faltering out of every deal now they are aiding the rogues... and in the mean while big-joe (UINE MoD) has been sent by Keve69... apparently to embarrass UINE further, all the while he has been here reading everything that has been going on for the past 2 hours and has choose not to say 2 words. Once again failure at taking responsibility.

[quote name='President S O' timestamp='1294465490' post='2568261'] The question I really want to know the answer to... is anyone REALLY going to do something about it? [/quote] Well the Emperor of UINE is on Defcon 1 XD

[quote name='bigjoepryde' timestamp='1294463939' post='2568218'] Nice try at diplomacy RnR your so grown up [/quote] Your copy and pasted from a public channel.... I do not see how that represents RnR...

[quote name='Heft' timestamp='1294462512' post='2568181'] UINE is going to attack RnR at update. Heard it hear first. [/quote] Lol. Now that is funny. If anything UINE is changing to peace mode at update

[quote name='bigjoepryde' timestamp='1294462112' post='2568172'] First things first when did we say we had dropped the case trust me we havent. secondly i happen to know that such an attack is very possible its called mysql injection. obviously your guy isnt that good if he doesnt know it exists and in fact works here. the nations have been unmasked however some of us have more to be doing than unmasking people for a very minor reason. i have been working on a big web project since right smack in the middle of all this. We didnt care lol. i think you will find we cared very much because the whole rogue thing hasnt happened under our alliance for a very long time and we didnt want our names tarnished with this and we immediately offered our rogues up for ZIing because they had already told us they wouldnt pay reps. me and keve told you the whole time we were negotiating we will not pay reps for rogues but you can ZI. We especially wont pay reps when we are being asked for 8-9 times the damage cause thats just plain extortion [/quote] Since you are now taking questions can you tell me why a UINE nation has aided the rogue? Also can you tell me why several UINE nations have switched to Defcon 1 and are not currently taking part in a war?

[quote name='bigjoepryde' timestamp='1294461294' post='2568157'] funnily enough i warned them not to attack first and foremost. I checked CN wiki which is for first and foremost hosting alliances info and their treaties which stated no such alliances with RnR or Echelon. I then proceeded to question AiD on their lack of alliances and they informed me they had the said alliances with echelon and RnR. so if we are playing this game 1 point to AiD for miscommunication on the main treaty platform. I then proceeded inbetween checking the wiki and checking with AiD that they appeared to have no real treaties but if they were to attack it would be souly at their peril and that UINE would not support them. Funnily enough it was your friend and AA buddy Anson who thought it would be fun and that it would be good target practise for UINE to declare on AiD and tried to get me into declaring against them. I also spent the whole time while anson was telling AiD that he would be declaring war on them saying erm no we arent. So maybe you should get the full facts before declaring them the truth. [/quote] Alright and now the rogues are receiving aid? http://s826.photobucket.com/albums/zz184/kadeichikawa/?action=view&current=UINEreceivesaid.jpg mhmmmmm.

[quote name='Rudolph' timestamp='1294460858' post='2568148'] The 'mastermind' behind this whole fiasco wasn't the MoD, and you know it. Sorel thought they didn't have any treaties and went for it. Obviously, they're paying for it and are being dealt with as ALL routine matters should. The fact that it's become this huge cluster$%&@ over something so [b]ROUTINE[/b], boggles my mind and I care to bet 50 tech that it boggles everyone else not involved in this !@#$. Joe checked AiD and promptly told them they would not be receiving any aid or help at all from UINE if something like THIS happened. Can't exactly control a group of rogues, now can you? Please, for the good and sake of everyone involved, research before you post, else you'll look like a fool. [/quote] Oh believe you me I already look like a fool, I stopped caring about that a long time ago.

[quote name='Master-Debater' timestamp='1294460283' post='2568137'] Are those members currently masked as UINE members? Are those members currently getting any aid in any form from UINE? [/quote] Yes in the form of Technology one of the UINE nations has received and approved aid.

[quote name='bigjoepryde' timestamp='1294459576' post='2568117'] says the person who appeared midway through negotiations and added absolutely nothing of value as a minister. and who is blaming everyone in UINE apart from the rogues for this. [/quote] Well obviously you cannot expect the person who was not even around, and did absolutely nothing to stop the rogues but in fact encouraged it to be truthful. What everyone does not know is that this ordeal was on purpose approved by the MoD and was suppose to be target practice, until someone did a horrible job of looking into AiD history and treaties, and then decided to play it off XD FAIL. Obviously this does not bother me it just shows why UINE fails, and explains why every Minister has and will leave UINE eventually. UINE is the UPN of blue in fact. Oh and your only accomplishment to date is this fiasco right here, and with grammar like yours you should stay off the OWF.

[quote name='TheListener' timestamp='1294458943' post='2568101'] They accepted the fact that the members were rogues, once those members are declared rogues, they have no responsibility to the other alliance, especially when said alliance chose to agree with terms but go back on said terms when big brother echelon and RnR decided to get involved. This thread should have never occurred had Echelon and RnR simply accepted that the nations were rogues and UINE held no responsibility for the damage caused by the rogues. [/quote] Well in my opinion people read the owf and take what they hear to be the law of the land. tisk tisk. Everyone likes to pretend like they know what happened better then the people that were there. Perhaps you should take it from those who have actual experiences with this, were there in the IRC channel, and have been dealing with the situation, and also you are not the spokesperson for UINE. That is not the case, because several things took place to change the terms, and then even more disagreeable situations took place. So please do not act like you were there.

[quote name='bigjoepryde' timestamp='1294457717' post='2568079'] Mkay since i dont want to spend all day replying to the BFF of someone who decided he would hack UINE'S forums(rather unsuccessfully) upon his departure from the alliance and who still owes UINE 15mil im going to keep this short and simple. 1. Yes I knew what was going on and if you check your so called logs that you have which i also have you will find that i told them not to. Infact you will find that i told them they would be most likely disowned from the alliance and rogued if they did. Also i was told literally 2minutes before their attack and was immediately contacted by AiD when the attack had taken place and i made the situation clear that they are rogues and they would be able to deal with them as they pleased it was decided to wait on keve to negotiate reps since anson the MoF was not in a position to negotiate reps with them. i therfore fail to see the need for anything to be done about anything and maybe you should re read your supposed logs. 2. We have never and shall never operate Ghostbusting on our AA however we offered them up to be ZI'd as were the wishes of the people who actually raided AiD. [/quote] Point blank do your job UINE. 1. Just because you can post an Application does not mean you should be a Minister like 100% of the the Ministers in UINE. Once you get that down then perhaps things like this will not happen in the future. You can throw the blame on who you wish but fact of the matter is going to be no matter what kind of SPIN you throw. UINE's members did not just go "rogue" because 1 or 2 people go rogue but 4 or 5 nations declared a state of war on an alliance they did not think had a protector all under your watch, and the Emperor is so inactive he cannot even reply to the questions that he asked for. Everyone wants this thread to come to an end including myself. I suggest UINE accept responsibility for the matter, and move on... like any respectable alliance would.

[quote name='ironchef' timestamp='1294344362' post='2566147'] I don’t think we will get a reply to our questions. [/quote] Dosent seem like it.

[quote name='western skier' timestamp='1294189998' post='2563687'] UINE is a sinking ship, and I know since I was a govt member a year ago. I recently rejoined and quickly found out that the UINE govt is made up of inexperienced, arrogant, inactive members. UINE govt is not open to ideas or suggestions to grow or to improve. Lazy describes the govt best. Inactivity is very high, and ideas to improve it are quickly dismissed by the gov members. The UINE can be best described as a sinking ship. [/quote] I wonder why majority of the active productive government has all left to GSO. Perhaps you explain it best Western.

What is your opinion on the whole deal with UINE, RnR, AiD, and Echelon?

How is STA growth looking in comparison to previous Months?

Fail = UPN Everytime.

Glory to Bring It!

This looks very good. Motivation and goals can take you anywhere. Cheers to Legacy! For making it count.

Perhaps late, but from what I knew of Blackstone they were a pretty good alliance with a lot of dedication. I do not know where I can get better graphics at by the way.

Keve69, Emperor of UINE. I also have a few questions. 1. Even though big-joe your Minister of Defense knew what was going on, but did not go to AiD or to you or to anyone else about it, why hasn't anything been done about that? or will there be something done about that? 2. You continue to say that it as not UINE's fault, however those members are part of UINE, and as far as I know are still in the AA so in the case who's fault is it? Thanks Keve, that is all.

[quote name='Avakael' timestamp='1294129457' post='2562913'] Posta-posta logsa-logsa? The raid was organised by the members, not the department of defence. And not having any logs of the minister of defence stopping the raids doesn't necessarily mean he didn't try- in fact, if he knew it was going to happen, those who he did take aside privately are probably those who decided to not join in and therefore make it a "botched" mass raid. But if you have logs that prove the minister took no action to stop the plot before it went into action... mildly bemusing and scandalous turn of events is mildly bemusing and scandalous. And <3 GSO. [/quote] Not only did the Minister of Defense do nothing to stop it but a Triumvirate and another Minister did nothing as well, and this is ACCORDING to the Minister of Defense. If it was a grave concern to the other party you think that he would have notified AiD prior to the attack, and he does clearly state that he knew it was going to happen before it did. As for everything else I have no further comment. It does not matter to me one way or another what happens to UINE at all, however I will make sure the facts are there. In response to Anson, I was Minister of Education at the time and was not around when this did happen. Later when I confronted Keve69 about it as well as UINE leadership it was clear that Keve69 was aware of the matter, did not like how it was being handled, and was hell-bent on making sure that UINE benefited even when UINE was knowingly at fault.

[quote name='hizzy' timestamp='1294125991' post='2562858'] Some of you are being literal retards and/or choosing to completely ignore the part where UINE's leadership ordered the nations to cease their attacks without result.Guess what that's called? Going rogue. Asking UINE to take responsibility for members going rogue would be like asking Nueva Vida to pay reps to GOONS for my actions, but I sure as hell didn't see anyone asking for that, so stop being such hypocrites. [/quote] I would like to point out that the Minister of Defense was well aware of the attacks and did nothing to prevent them. Why is it that the Minister of Defense still holds his position, when clearly it was an organized raid? And for those who took even more concern to this matter, have logs to prove it. This was a lack of governing, and then a lack of an alliance standing up and taking responsibility for its actions. Point. Blank. Period. Oh and by the way: o/ R&R o/ AiD o/ Echelon

Wow. I am all warm inside. Congrats to TPC and TNG!

Congratulations. My heart lies warm to keve69 and their one in a lifetime accomplishment. Laughs, blood, and tears went into this. Onward to 3 Million. God Speed my Friends. o7

Cannot say I have always agreed with TOOL and their actions, but I can say that I believe TD will do an excellent job and will perhaps make TOOL a little more moderate then it has previously been. TOOL is certainly not my favorite alliance but just the same God speed and Good Luck and we understand that sometimes things must be done. For everyone to continue to fuel the flame is certainly not going to accomplish anything. o7 TOOL o7 TD