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[img]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090105003648/cybernations/images/thumb/1/18/Pork_Shrimp.gif/250px-Pork_Shrimp.gif[/img] Last round Pork Shrimp was, rather conspicuously, not a part of TE. I had fun in tW warring with some of my long time friends (thanks to Clash, KO, and the rest of tW for the home). PS needed a break. A lot of our players simply needed a break. Well, the break is done, and now we need to make up for lost time. Pork Shrimp hereby declares its existence for Round 19. A few things to note: PS Quartet of Doom: bcortell (the troll), Livintoolive (the Knicks fan), Cellardoor (the fragile one), Schad (the manatee) PS IRC: #porkshrimp As always, if you attack PS be ready for a fight, and don’t expect peace just because you’re done. We likely won’t be. Frankly, we at PS are a little sick of the shadow games. Who’s hiding, who’s helping who, who’s running, and what it all means. In an effort to keep things simpler for everyone involved: What you see in PS is what you get. We don’t give a **** about anything other than destruction, and no one is going to be particularly safe if we have our way. Signed, bcortell, Livintoolive, Cellardoor, Schad

[quote name='arcticllama' timestamp='1314943342' post='2792820'] Rodents ready and waiting for Admin Boon of gameliness:) sigh... you know how hard it is to keep rodents focused? [/quote] [img]http://www.entertainmentwallpaper.com/images/desktops/movie/g_force08.jpg[/img] How hard can it be?

[quote name='SoADarthCyfe6' timestamp='1314019760' post='2786149'] Not to mention how many people would turtle and not go into war (alliances included) because they fear the round may end. [/quote] that's the nice thing about PM. It's not really up to you completely whether or not you go to war. As for the OP...I'd be interested in trying 3 months again.

Seems like a great way for factions to rogue their enemies.

[quote name='stepanek' timestamp='1313614890' post='2782970'] Of all the lame posts on this thread, this one wins the prize for lamest. Grow up. [/quote] This topic is still going? And you picked an odd post to single out. To each their own.

Congrats to TOP and to VE, which is now allied to what, 40% of Pretty Fragile?

Good luck to both sides. It's not an "updeclare", but it isn't a down-declare either. And there aren't really any matches for anon at this juncture anyhow.

[quote name='St Mungo' timestamp='1312465144' post='2771760'] They can Attack Rouge Or Ghost. You Know That. [/quote] There must be a disconnect here. I'm not getting what my post has to do with an alliance's defense against being rogued. My post even mentions that I'd expect to get sanctioned.

[quote name='Eumirbago' timestamp='1312436719' post='2771565'] Should've just went on a suicide mission and attacked Anon or OP members [/quote] If I ever go rogue separate from my alliance's plans I'll likely just declare on the 3 biggest nations I can and nuke the bejesus out of them. In the meantime, get someone a friend from Bob to come over and take my spot in the TC. Not going to lie...I've always wanted to rogue someone. Especially after being on the other end so much.

I'm not sure what you mean by alliances have their own solution: ghosts. Can you explain that more?

This is gold. Pure gold. And Mungo...while I wouldn't have reported you, doing the same thing over and over again and bolding/increasing the size is sort of the definition of spam on message boards as I understand it.

I'm getting so confused on what people's point's are I can't keep it straight. My only point(s) are that statistically the war is even, Clash got pulled in when a member of tF declared on him, and that my little portion of the war isn't exactly what I'd call easy. Everything else...everyone's made their points, no one is changing their minds. Enjoy pulling the underwear from your backside whenever you're done.

If we were going to get this much flack we [s]shouldn't[/s] should've (thanks JB) pulled off an epic down declare and preserved our nations. Oh well.

Only senators that sanction. Haven't you read his last 15 posts? That's the extent of the substance.

[quote name='Guppy Fish' timestamp='1312259239' post='2769812'] Clash joined Troopers to raid Sammy. That is all. Also, Catom is fully capable of declaring on waqarullah, who may well gift him some glowing green, if nothing else You have a 4v2 against us in at the top - KOwens, questionable, JB and yourself against Bicus and me. Bicus even got himself some extra wars for no good reason. You had mode large nations from the start, especially since waqarullah, as well as many other tF nations, don't fight. From [i]any[/i] point of view, it's unfair. Also, I can't help but notice how you failed to address my statement as to how this is the easiest possible war for tW's top tier and not Trooper training at all... As for my soldiers' odds, it's just because I can't find that "Nuclear Soldiers" button! [/quote] Like I said, the Catom thing is curious. I don't know how you can complain about it being an unfair war, but also complain that someone with 14 nukes and 18k NS ISN'T attacking you guys. I didn't pick the target, and I don't know how coordinated you guys are, but you all have huge WCs and from my vantage point it's a good war. Bicus picked up the 4th target himself and caused Sammy to have a second target too. You declared on my yourself as well. You guys could've had fewer opponents in that way. On Clash joining, I'm really not understanding. He was in tW and not in this war at all until Bicus attacked him, then he hit Sammy so he had more than one target. Look at the timeline of the wars...I don't understand how you're complaining about clash. Basically you guys could have no Clash and no Catom at all in the war, and at that point would it even be uneven? edit: damnit, almost forgot to address your post about trooper training. Honestly, you'll have to talk to tW gov't if you have issue there. The lower tiers ARE fighting, and I was simply instructed to join Troopers and given my three targets (and your counter)

I knew tF were good builders and generally running near flags, I figured the top nations worked together. My mistake if that's not the standard. And I just finished nuking the guy from whatever the micro is about 4 hours ago. Check the stats. Re: reinforcements: Bicus declared on Clash. He wasn't in Troopers. Your guy pulled in the "reinforcement" unfortunately. He also declared on two other very nasty looking nations including one with a WRC. So kudos for balls there. I don't know how everyone else is fairing, but you're going to have a hard time convincing me i'm in an unfair fight. I've got four wars with nations who have large WCs, some nasty navies and nuke counts in there. The only place I've got an advantage is in the air because no one's bought planes back since they were initially destroyed. My SDI blocked 1/2 so far, so i'm not TOO far off so far. I expect that to change as it drags on though. For you personally Guppy, your foot soldiers odds are what did you in. I've gotten straight up victories on you twice below 25% odds so far Edit: checked Catom out. Very good question as to why he isn't warring, but you can't complain that he's not involved, then talk about it being an unfair war. If you remove him Troopers is absent 14 nukes and 18kNS. At that point you guys have 20 more nukes that Troopers. He's not on Sammy because I requested to not have any help specifically, and the request was honored until Clash got pulled in.

He actually wasn't in the war til Bicus attacked him to use his slots up before he got nuked. He was at 12k NS and 10 nukes when he got declared on though, I believe. So we'll do 15 nations, 141k NS, and 47 nukes. Special note: most of TF had no casualties leading into this war while KO has just gotten rogued a week earlier and me, questionable and Clash had 5 days of war while JB had 1-2 inside a week as well. Bicus has been doing great fighting us, but I've been surprised by the lack of coordination by TF. They could've ended me last update while I was at a movie. Stats: 15 Nations, 141k NS, 47 nukes v. 21 Nations, 141k NS, 54 nukes We've got the ANS advantage obviously

[quote name='Fleegle' timestamp='1312238270' post='2769433'] It seems Cellardoor has double standards when it comes to honour Spying on a Nation who's at war with another alliance is NOT his business - but he does it, because of his pompous, misguided sense of honour - he doesn't do it well , but he feels honourable and righteous spewing out his rules. Just wondering, is jumping between alliances, Warriors & Troopers to manipulate Alliance strength for wars honourable ? [/quote] (ooc: never realized you could center text like that. That's kinda cool) Spying a nation who's roguing nations in an alliance I have a lot of respect for? I don't particularly care what you define as honor. You'll define it your way and act accordingly and I will define it my way and act accordingly. If everything I've been told about you (after I made the decision to spy, mind you) is true, I'm sure I'll get a chance to see your honor in action in later rounds. In the past in PS I've been one of the people suggesting we even the odds in uneven wars (Fark TFK pt I comes to mind). You're right about one thing in that first paragraph though. I feel better about myself for making the attempt at least. And I was asked to jump to Troopers. Before the war (check the stats), and was included in the stats posted in the DOW. If JB, myself and a few others didn't move over then they wouldn't have been able to be in the wars they're in. I'm at war with nations coming up on 100m combined warchests, 40 nukes and some massive navies. Word it however you want to, but i'm completely comfortable with my actions. Congrats on peace to you guys. If you'd like to get your grudge out of the way now, I still have two open slots and no attachment to my infra. Depending on how long your nation is on holiday feel free to come find me.

This day and age you can choose your TC members. Don't trade with someone who's going roguing. I don't recall the last time someone has been sanctioned in an alliance war without apologies coming out immediately (Black Pearl did it earlier this round I believe). If you play the game with a modicum of honor you should be alright. And if you're going to rogue, you should expect everything thrown at you. If I ever go roguing I wouldn't expect any less.

[quote name='St Mungo' timestamp='1312202837' post='2769073'] [font="Impact"][size="7"]Don't Vote for Senators who Sanction[/size].[/font] [/quote] [size="6"]Don't commit rogue acts and leave yourself in a sanctionable position.[/size]

As far as our nations over 10k are concerned...most of us are from tW and haven't even been out of war a week. And yes, my guy has a 23m WC and only one opponent. Please continue to cry for him. Good luck, tF edit: Didn't gather intel on their first guy, but destroyed money and got 1m. So my two opponents combine for 20 nukes and $43m. At least. This'll be fun.

I don't know if this will ever happen again, but I completely agree with Confusion. Going to go take a shower now.

Great to have this finalized. Very happy to have these guys at our side.