Cellardoor

I forgot to mention my building skills are rivaled by Schads. My mistake.

[quote name='SoADarthCyfe6' timestamp='1322232116' post='2850991'] The Pathetic part about LE this round is they were the first AA to sit on their asses for 30 days before RE had to hit them for war. [b][u]LE's Round 19 Wars[/u][/b]: LE/OP vs Anon and SUN (5 -9 days was it?? But they rolled Anon and SUN) RE vs LE (This was after 30 days of sitting around and they got out of this war in 5 days, hardly a warchest eater) LE vs Everyone/Nobody (About zero wars for this) Real Classy guys. [/quote] Nukes are keeping me from declaring on you guys. That and no O-slots, but to streamline your task LE, here's my nation link, two def slots left. http://tournament.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=1000050

10k isn't nearly a large enough sample size. Need in the millions, 10% variance isn't likely, but very possible.

[quote name='SoADarthCyfe6' timestamp='1322064550' post='2849745'] Ok well, be mindful of what you say now and what you're going to want to say in the future. [/quote] I know you know our recent history. Regardless what we do, we're going to have the next person who earnestly wants the flag pulling some dumb stuff to keep us down. People coming at is isn't anything new, and even after you're all over this and realize we actually fought a TON of people at once, we'll STILL have people coming at us in ways that aren't entirely "kosher".

[quote name='NeoGandalf' timestamp='1322020613' post='2849515'] Again, there can be few counters from alliances that could not get out of NA early enough to declare. [/quote] Utilizing rad clean-up or simply waiting the 3 days gives plenty of time to overwhelm PS. back-collect 8 days at 1500 infra or even less and you can declare on me, with an MP/WRC already around, nuke me, etc. [quote name='jraenar' timestamp='1322021838' post='2849527'] Have you read any of the last 17 pages at all? The point is, counters simply are not possible for the majority of your declarations, for at least three days after the initial blitz. Probably more. I would bet half your targets were already in bill lock when you declared. Most of their fellow alliance nations are also near bill lock, too small to declare, or both. Because we just got done beating each other up. Quite honestly, I can't see how your goal is anything other than driving even more nations away from TE. [/quote] None of my targets are in bill lock, I've had some stuff going on that's kept me away from others' coordination threads, but I'd imagine that's the case all around. I have one target that's "defeated", and I've seen maybe 7 or so that way. Out of 60. Many more have at LEAST enough to launch nukes each day, and when their alliancemates clear NA and counter us, then we're looking at some fun. PS: awful luck against my SDI today [quote name='Stelios' timestamp='1322024360' post='2849556'] Then stop posting And everyone has said we gained our rep back, Even you Celladoor :v [/quote] No, you didn't gain it back. You acquired a rep. You never had one prior to. You guys really have been impressive this round all around.

[quote name='ADude' timestamp='1322017959' post='2849488'] Fairly sure we get it back after this. [/quote] lol, you guys never stopped using it, so I don't think we will either. Especially since no one can tell me WHY it's a down declare when you consider counters. We declared on 21 alliances or some such crap.

[quote name='stepanek' timestamp='1322015442' post='2849450'] This whole thing... It is what it is. I get it, and it WILL be interesting to see what happens in the next few days. It will add a lot of excitement to the usual routine. However, PS has lost any right to criticize any other AA's future wars as down declares. Now, start in with your excuses and justifications. [/quote] If we're playing that game, RE lost their right rounds ago, Anon never had the right, OP lost their right, etc. As you said, the next few days will be interesting. We did this with the impression people would be sacking up and declaring on us when they got out of NA.

[quote name='Stelios' timestamp='1321988959' post='2849157'] A shell... Interesting... Is it a bowser shell? [/quote] It's budding into one. You're slowly getting more prickly.

[quote name='NeoGandalf' timestamp='1321978851' post='2849062'] What do you mean "not active"? Last time we fought Charlie declared on me IIRC. Those guys, regardless if they're runners, still aren't putting up a fight. Those three PS nations I pointed out are having a walkover [/quote] We had this discussion a few rounds ago when we declared on Duckroll. People complained and called it a curbstomp because [i]they weren't fighting back[/i]. There are some people caught in an untenable situation in this war (like yourself), and it's unfortunate we weren't able to gather spy reports on every single nation in TE and prioritize better, but people who have the means to fight back and don't can't be blamed on their opponents. I had 200k left the round RE attacked us with the consequence coalition and I bought land to be able to declare on two more. I got some underdog odds, killed them with what little AF I had left, and went into bill lock 3 days later. Then I decommed my planes and started underdoging. It's the end of the round, if you can't find a way to do damage you're not trying hard enough.

[quote name='ADude' timestamp='1321978671' post='2849059'] Because AA's like RE been nothing but turtles and hiders all round long right [/quote] Have you SEEN the shell on Stelios' back? He's been hiding under that for ages. Also, Obviously Thrasher is our flag runner. At this point, if he declares on someone it's going to be a downdeclare, so I really feel like people should get the whining for both contingencies out in one post.

[quote name='Judge X' timestamp='1321977759' post='2849043'] There. I declared on an LE nation with my last slot. Reason: Pork Shrimp says hi! The cavalry should be coming. [/quote] Give this man a cookie. And give me three more opponents.

Still searching the 15 pages for PS talking about this being courageous. We'll see where PS stands at the end of the round. If we've still got nations up near the top then we'll talk. We committed ourselves to 12 days of war with the entirety of TE that wants to come at us. It's not courageous, it's a huge roguefest. It's designed for destruction and designed to piss people off. I stated as much in the DoE.

Like judge said, swarm and coordinate. I've lost 4k NS thanks to my faulty SDI. Anyone over 6500 NS can declare and probably bring me down pretty easily.

Works for me. Let the blood, tech, infra and land flow.

[quote name='NeoGandalf' timestamp='1321938818' post='2848559'] D'oh. Switched to rad cleanup in the hopes of getting a collect but Mr. Bibbs landed his first nuke on me [/quote] Three SDIs amongst me, Dock and JD. All 3 nukes launched landed. It's not been a good round for SDIs

[quote name='jraenar' timestamp='1321919853' post='2848382'] Tell me, if you were fighting two nations, each with effective strength triple your own, how would you go about fighting back? Keeping in mind the extra expense of fighting with a WRC. If you haven't had the pleasure of actually fighting with one yet in TE, I'll let you know that I went into the war with Anon/TFK with 65 million. And I fought conservatively, so I could splurge in the last week. My casualty numbers should be more than enough proof that I know how to manage a war. Do you? You're making the mistake of assuming I'm an idiot. You're assuming that all my posts are only because you attacked [i]me[/i]. I assure you, I'm not thinking about my nation. My alliance comes first. That's true now in the Empire, and it was true in the past when I was a member of Pork Shrimp. So no, you don't get to hit another Roman. Maybe I wasn't meant to be your original target. All I know is I really hope you [s]!@#$ yourself[/s] evacuated your bowels when dock (I'm assuming him, since he's got the CIA) spied my warchest an hour and twenty minutes after the declaration, and realized that I am nowhere close to bill lock. And then immediately tried to destroy cash reserves (and failed). You're stuck with me now. --edit: lolwordfilter. [/quote] right, I'm frightened of my precious infra. That's why I declared on 3 nuclear nations and a guy with a WRC. Ask anyone in TE how concerned with my nation I am. I'm one of the worst builders on planets bob or steve, so I fully expect to be in bad shape at the end of each round

[quote name='White Chocolate' timestamp='1321916996' post='2848363'] It's only incredibly incompetent if Pork Shrimp is looking at winning a popularity contest. We're not. King Ernie is correct. I agree the thread is rewarding, however. Okay, will take that into account. Your allowed to complain a little too. [/quote] Can I complain about your improper use of you're/your? I want to join that side.

tF was good people. Smart runners generally too. Not the most bloodthirsty dudes out there, but meh. And we're begging people to hit us because that was the entire point. I'm sure I'll make you all happy people if whatshisface declares peace with me before my window opens

[quote name='bannyfaws' timestamp='1321905076' post='2848263'] its sure been an eventful round ,RE,s went up in everyones book while PS has hit a new all time low congratulations on the new RE ....Pork Shrimp ,hang your heads in shame ,the majority of nations you hit were never gonna be flag runners ,no matter what you say [/quote] On the latter part, runners aren't the only people you hit in those scenarios. You hit their rogues too and their guys that are going to hit other runners. If it helps, think of this as PS DoR (declaration of rogue).

[quote name='Schad' timestamp='1321900395' post='2848223'] If the rest of you work together, you can actually drag both of us down...I've checked, and there are enough nations out of NA and with slots in range of their/our top tier to be able to cover everyone. Do so, and it'll be epic. Fail to do so, and we fully understand that we're likely going to be fighting for virtually the entirety of next round. [/quote] I think we're going to have butthurt people coming after us next round regardless. My nation will have the same name...just so you know where to find me.

[quote name='dealmaster13' timestamp='1321899266' post='2848217'] Well, what are the chances that it's actually a Pork Shrimp member that wins the round, and we're all just looking at it in the wrong perspective with regards to LE's laxness? Or alternatively, like many of the past 50 rounds, one of confusion's flagrunners can always pop out of no where. Good times [/quote] My bet is on LE or Confusion. If I get the sense anyone in PS has more than 10m left by day 86, I'm nuking them myself, so don't worry about us in that regard at least.

[quote name='SoADarthCyfe6' timestamp='1321896586' post='2848198'] Couldn't resist. [/quote] Understandable. Also, the guy whining about having 6k NS and that hasn't hit dock or I back yet with his 33m...my bad. I misread the target list. I guess that's the problem with having joint threads without having identical targets. (I'm looking at you BC. And Hoop) I've actually offered him peace so I can declare on someone else. His call now. And for the umpteenth time, what do you guys think is going to happen in two days when these guys' mates DO clear NA, collect their stacks and jump in? The stats aren't the end of the story here from either side (our opponents have lower WCs than normal, and on the flip side when these alliances counter we'll be overwhelmed by numbers/nukes) I'm not sure who's called it an updeclare, I used the word saying call it whatever you'd like, but that I wouldn't call it a down declare. It wasn't my personal ideal scenario, but it's far from a down declare/curbstomp imo. Cest la vie.

[quote name='jraenar' timestamp='1321858849' post='2847984'] My NS: 9,902.689 My days of nuclear anarchy remaining: 2 My nukes: 4 My opponents NS: 17,681.005 and 19,244.374 My opponents nukes: 40 Right PS. HUGE UPDECLARE. And to think I respected you at the start of the round. [/quote] IIRC, you have a WRC, SDI, MP, and 33m. Woe is me isn't really the card for you to play. edit: and also, to people quoting NS's now, my opponents have lost over 1000 infra among other things. Using current NS isn't exactly the same as the pre-war stats. Fight back and let everyone eat some nukes on both sides then we'll see how the NS looks. (btw, our opponents have more ANS and NS on the whole)

[quote name='jraenar' timestamp='1321858849' post='2847984'] My NS: 9,902.689 My days of nuclear anarchy remaining: 2 My nukes: 4 My opponents NS: 17,681.005 and 19,244.374 My opponents nukes: 40 Right PS. HUGE UPDECLARE. And to think I respected you at the start of the round. [/quote] IIRC, you have a WRC, SDI, MP, and 33m. Woe is me isn't really the card for you to play.

[quote name='NeoGandalf' timestamp='1321857347' post='2847948'] Yup, I've made a corresponding edit. Unfortunately, I just spent 5mil on the MP [/quote] If my lumber/iron or whatever i'm rolling with helps, I'll temp you I'll even drop BC to do it.