Sam Winters

[quote name='Axolotlia' timestamp='1298443924' post='2642623'] Ironic? [/quote] Slightly. I find CSNs obsession to pass LOSS in either direction to be a bit concerning... That said, if it wasn't for the .4 score or so from the GOD nation that "joined" them, this would have happened days ago.

[quote name='Dayshade' timestamp='1298260229' post='2640165'] I think admin will get rid of the 200 nation requirement if LoSS gets sanctioned with any hope. Then when Umbrella gets sanctioned, they win Cyber Nations. Congrats to WTF on reaching 4th place. [/quote] It may just drop to 100 this time, or all together. Of course what does that say about the status of the game? Maybe admin should just make a mechanism of AAs getting the flag in game and do away with the Sanction as it stands. Make it score based for the top 10 AAs.

[quote name='Gibsonator21' timestamp='1298252199' post='2640019'] Well, when that's how your Government opens peace negotiations, it's not an assumption. I don't see how those logs can be spun anyway. It's blunt. When you say "We at DT" as a Government member, whatever else he says in that sentence is taken as the alliances position. [/quote] The government position on the issue. Not the people's. Sometimes it can even be JUST that person's position. I didn't fully agree with the comment made, but I also understand what spurred it.

[quote name='Gibsonator21' timestamp='1298248872' post='2639943'] It's possible. It wasn't a difficult one to guess if you knew me. Don't worry, all my passwords have been changed to much more difficult ones. [/quote] You added a ! to the beginning didn't you?

[quote name='Gibsonator21' timestamp='1298247451' post='2639920'] Wow you're quite the dumb one aren't you. There has been no change of story. Someone hacked into my account, whether it was just a guessed password or some program I have no idea. They used a proxy to do it so we don't know their IP. What are you talking about Gov. can't see IP? All our Gov. has access to Admin CP and mod powers. Us taking screen-shots of members disagreeing with Government members would be a complete joke. It'd draw OOC sympathy sure, but only work against us in just about everything. Why in the world would we do that? And don't accuse me of !@#$. I like you OOC Sam, but right there you just lost any ounce of respect I had for you IC. [/quote] Respect IC? I lost that for you a while back. Guess we're even. As for the mod-IP thing I misread wickedj's post, so ignore it. Still unreasonable claim. They just straight up guessed your password? Riiiight.

[quote name='Gibsonator21' timestamp='1298243850' post='2639880'] No, I can vouch for it. The proxy IP that came up was on my account at about 7am. That morning I was asleep at that time, and the second I woke up (roughly 7:30am) I had to get ready for class. I can go into full detail of that morning but I really don't find it necessary. [/quote] So, your account was used to get the screenshots? And I suppose they just guessed your password somehow (which isn't hacking IMO, just highjacking). What of the story that IP info is not seen by gov? Is this the new line, where you admit that it is, but it was still a hacking? I don't buy it. Was your password changed? Was your email hacked to get the password changed? How about a more logical version? In order to drum up support for Poor ol' CSN, you post screenshots, then you all claim haxorz! Now the story is that it was a proxy, and no way for it to be traced back. I can log onto LOSS forums right now, take screenshots and post them. Doesn't mean I was hacked, just that I used a proxy. As for your timeframe explanation, ever heard of waking up early? That just doesn't hold water.

Huh...what I get for playing on my phone. Is there a cut off? Does the 10 day warning cause that?

http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=402381 This was the nation I won the battles from...not sure what screens I can provide. It was more of the fact that I knew I had 400k + and expected it to now be 2.4mil+

I had 2 million on hand. Spent 1.5mil. Launched ground attacks and won both at $1mil gain each. My account still showed 400k and change left though.

[quote name='TypoNinja' timestamp='1297931929' post='2636544'] What are you spewing? It works completely opposite of what you said. A dogpiled nation gets to nuke 3 nations a day, the dogpilers get to nuke that nation once a day. Until the nuke stockpile runs out the attackers are eating more nukes a day. [/quote] 20 or 25 nukes run out quick. Even if you can buy 7-14 more in that first week, it's not unreasonable to see all of them gone within the week. I sent 12 nukes in 1 day to hit 6 targets. [quote name='Roi Loup' timestamp='1297918549' post='2636358'] i cba to check war declarations but it seems overall csn is about 300k off of loss's ns losses [/quote] LOSS has lost 2,440,338NS since the 21st. CSN has lost 2,257,052NS since the 22nd. Difference of 183,286NS.

[quote name='Raider' timestamp='1297930590' post='2636533'] Well Admin doesn't manually update the Sanction list anymore. It's automatic now, so unless he decides to tap the game's code, and I don't think he will. RIA will be sanctioned. [/quote] He still controls the flag additions.

O/ Peace Sad to see my opponent inactive though.

[quote name='Sarmatian Empire' timestamp='1297885141' post='2635830'] I am and I realize that, but I find it hard to watch LoSS talk !@#$ at all when they have been gutted pretty bad. Anyone that knows me I'm sure will understand my reasoning and give me a pass. [/quote] Just about as bad as CSN. Then again, you didn't do so hot for a week either.

[quote name='Sarmatian Empire' timestamp='1297884834' post='2635826'] Sorry, we've yet to look at anyone under 20k NS, our game revolves around 50-20k nations. [/quote] Oh, my bad. Didn't realize that half your alliance is useless. Never mind then.

[quote name='Sarmatian Empire' timestamp='1297884345' post='2635819'] Well it's not exactly easy to get wars on you. You have hordes of lil nations and we have very few [/quote] Funny, I see most of your AA as in range of a lot of our nations. You could attack today! (Well, not you in PM for the last 2 or so weeks, but you get my point). There's at least 20 or so Legacy nations in my range. And I have 3 defensive slots...

[quote name='Sarmatian Empire' timestamp='1297883736' post='2635811'] Um...the war? If you havent read the thread yet, DT wants out because LoSS is so bad, not because they are tired of war, not because they are losing NS, because LoSS has been nothing short of awful. Everyone is entitled to their opinion however and if you think youve done fine or the odds are the cause for this, I respect your thoughts. [/quote] I've spoken to Titan. I know his reasoning. Still doesn't change the fact that we have twice the outgoing wars compared to incoming from the 4 alliances that declared on us. Why don't you tell me how many wars there are between LOSS and Legacy? I can - the highest out of all of your allies. The least? The Brain. The least for their size? CSN. 14 attacks from CSN. There are almost double that from Legacy and the same from RnR who have nations boycotting the front.

[quote name='Sarmatian Empire' timestamp='1297883050' post='2635804'] I be everyone knows who would win worst military coordination of the year... /me points to LoSS and yes that means worse than THL and TGE. [/quote] Pray tell, what are you basing that on? besides us being on different sides of a war caused by CSN? By the way, how is Peace Mode after 1 week of war? I count 105 nations in Legacy, but only see 26 outgoing attacks on LOSS. Awesome.

Liz is known for outbursts on IRC. First there was the incident with mooney88, where she was quite rude and verbal about the kicking of a CSN member in another alliances chan. Second there was the incident with me, where without getting her facts straight, she went on to accuse me of brokering peace with CSNs protectorate. That one looses her cool faster than she can type the F-words.

As someone who has earned [img]http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a302/USAFAUX2004/TOOLWSS.jpg[/img], I wish TOOL good luck!

[quote name='DeusMalum' timestamp='1297425768' post='2629257'] i am not proud to call myself a member of csn Screenshot [/quote] NOOOO! What have you done! Now gibby can spin this into LOSS receiving spy intel!

[quote name='NoFish' timestamp='1297409108' post='2629104'] This isn't even about respect, this is about trying to give CSN a [i]reason[/i] to back off on their demands. If they back off now it would only encourage this sort of behavior in the future. The more of a !@#$storm DT and their supporters kick up on the OWF, the more it will cost CSN if they give in to it. Conversely, respectful private negotiating would mean it would cost CSN nothing to reevaluate their position. [/quote] Clearly CSN failed with this strategy. Seems DT is now in this to hurt CSN until they come to their senses... Also, I applaud Cynic for his post, putting a very clear and succinct post together. IIRC, Cynic isn't even a native English speaker, and uses a translator for some of his writing.

[quote name='Gibsonator21' timestamp='1297322687' post='2627811'] Saw this loss coming for a while. Last one of this size, promise. I really am enjoying how much this is bothering you. Every time I see one of your posts it has to do with this. Get over it, you're not involved in it. [/quote] Right, this one also wouldn't have happened earlier, correct? You start out at 5.9mil NS, get down to 5.5mil and gain two large FOK nations that hit DT. They put you back to around 5.9mil, but as you loose them, the loss wouldn't have happened anyway? Rofl. That's a 1mil NS slide in 4 days there. # A tough day for The Democratic Order, as they drop a fifth of a point - something which many alliances at war even managed to avoid. In fact, in the first tier; only the Federation of Armed Nations and the [b]Commonwealth of Sovereign Nations (who dropped a whopping point and a quarter - nearly 7% of their score)[/b] managed to lose more. # On the other hand, [b]it was a great day for FOK, as they jump nearly half a point thanks to the addition of a 170k NS nation.[/b] Without it, they would've lost a fifth of a point today. Congrats to our Resident FOK > Sparta > CSN > FOK nations! http://www.cybernations.net/stats_awards.asp Top 7 Day Smallest Alliance Gains 1) -1,280,589 Strength Change - Commonwealth Of Sovereign Nations 2) -1,193,065 Strength Change - Mushroom Kingdom Maybe it's just me, but MK has quite a bit less advantage with their enemies than CSN does...

[quote name='Sarmatian Empire' timestamp='1297294052' post='2627363'] Thanks, means a lot [/quote] Credit where credit is due. Even if in my case it was an issue of double the infra! [quote name='General Ozujsko' timestamp='1297291547' post='2627307'] Stomping our feet? Really? You think DT decided on switching to Taliban-style avatars and sigs are for no reason whatsoever? CSN better hope their warchests last long enough to support their threats. [/quote] Now it makes sense!

[quote name='NoFish' timestamp='1297262573' post='2626954'] If you want the same treatment as your friends, I'm sure that can be arranged. [/quote] LRN2Comprehend? GOD posters really seem to have an issue with that one.

[quote name='janax' timestamp='1297262323' post='2626948'] AKA, surrender. [/quote] That would depend on what the two governments settle on, now wouldn't it. As a general member, I just follow orders and CRUSH CRUSH CRUSH. Lol.