Audran

[quote name='The Big Bad' timestamp='1323921995' post='2878379'] Nobody gives a !@#$ about GOD, its all about VE. GOD is not making your stupid choices for you. On the plus side for GOD you all are moving into the top spot of Planet Bobs most hated alliances. Wait a second. Perhaps that has been your plan all along to help GOD. Take the heat off them by becoming Planet Bob biggest !@#$ bag alliance. Clever. [/quote] Someone is jealous.

[quote name='Vasuda' timestamp='1323922086' post='2878382'] This isn't going to fix your PR disaster. Indeed, this will probably just make it worse. I've never agreed with The Big Bad before in my four and a half years here, but he's right in that this only cements your reputation as huge idiots. [/quote] You mean the people who hated us before still hate us now? I'm so surprised.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1323841708' post='2877425'] http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/Balkan_Entente [i]In the understanding that we live in dangerous times, full of intrigue, betrayal and opportunism, the three signatories hereby reaffirm their commitment to the defense of one another and their respective dominions against any foreign aggression.[/i] GOD is on the defensive side of this conflict; there's no non-chaining language apparent; the treaty pre-dates the appearance of non-chaining in treaties; and it is a MADP, not an MDoAP. Add to that that VE was active in the planning of GOD's destruction, and I think we can call it a day and ask you to please spare us all the agony of watching [i]the [/i]WarriorConcept defend this spinelessness, betrayal, and base survivalism. [/quote] I knew this post [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=104392&view=findpost&p=2778322"]sounded familiar[/url]...

franzjosef. By far one of my favorite rogue/trolls ever. I wish he had been around longer.

[quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1316402224' post='2803422'] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/ygi66.gif[/IMG] Man, you showed him. [/quote] Ah, and right on cue.

Here's to another 4 years. [quote name='Drai' timestamp='1316360132' post='2802989'] [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=105175&view=findpost&p=2800760"]Neither can I[/url] [/quote] I'm sorry if Impero hurt your feelings. He can be kind of insensitive sometimes.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1313691712' post='2784012']With 3 Lords of the Entente running alliances, GOD is finally safe. derp. [/quote] Now all that's left is to activate our sleeper agent in CoJ....

[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1313120966' post='2778327'] There is no chaining mention in the defensive clause either: The emphasis is mine of course. Also see the first part of the clause, looks like it was written specially for this current times no? Of course if GOD agrees with this new(at least for me) interpretation for the treaty I see no problem with that, but only if GOD agrees. [/quote] As I stated previously in response to Schattenman's post, all of our treaties were retroactively "unchained" a while ago, and the treaty partners were told. It's been standard practice for us since then.

[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1313120407' post='2778319'] How a MADP is non-chaining? Or GOD/VE downgraded it to a MDoAP? [/quote] If GOD is pulled into a war because of an outside treaty it doesn't mean the mutual aggression clause is activated.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1313119967' post='2778311'] The [url="http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/Balkan_Entente"]Balkan Entente[/url] was written years before the advent of non-chaining clauses and contains no such language. Though I suppose that the "we hereby affirm our commitment to support one another in any such action, in any way we deem fit." could be pigeon-holed into a modern non-chaining interpretation along the lines of "good luck, buddy, we'll be here with cash when the war's over." [/quote] The decision was made under Cornelius (I think) to make all treaties non-chaining, including the ones we already held. We never went back and added in any clauses, but our allies know.

[quote name='berbers' timestamp='1313114329' post='2778167'] Yeah there is a very easy way to avoid the situation anyways, as evidenced the last few wars. Whoever GOD hits will just have people ghost their AA and fight back, negating the need for a counter-dow, and thus not activating the defense treaty. I suppose they could go in with the aggression, but that's not all that likely. Does that treaty have a non-chaining clause? Edit: Also, congrats to VE and TOP on this fine treaty [/quote] All of our treaties are non-chaining.

Two terrible alliances killing each other? I like the sound of this.

Yeah true but where are they going to find an actor that is 100 years old? The bigger issue is one that isn't going to croak before they finish the series.

Ooooooh Penkala!

[quote name='Sulmar' timestamp='1300060470' post='2663528'] K, just making sure. The wording of it all is pretty ambiguous in that just because neither is required to tech deal doesn't mean that NpO can't be forced to by Ve et all invoking term 2. [/quote] How does it get any less ambiguous than saying the aid deals are not required? I know you really want to find a reason to complain about these terms, but you should come up with something better.