StupidLikeAFox

Klonopin of New Beginings in the NPO was a pretty cool guy; Braf Rebersnokk of South Rebersnokk from TPF keeps it to the war chat but keeps it classy and is a chill dude; And to my massive suprise since I've always thought y'all were pretty humourless, the NSO guy who's just hit me, Gundwulf of Gundwulfheimr, is awesome and we appear to be Blood Alcohol Content Buddies. So yeah, well played y'all!

[quote name='Bower3aj' timestamp='1296104973' post='2604596'] I heard a theory. It goes like this Doomhouse declares war on NPO cause they hate them because they are the old evil. All of NPOs allies see this and think "gee, GOONS is annoying and nobody likes them either. HEY! I got it! We'll only fight them as a satire to the very war they declared." Rather brilliant if you ask me. [/quote] I agree absolutely with this. And I love it. If so, thankyou all for getting the point of warring at last! Of course if that wasn't then idea then nevermind, because hoo-ah, WAR, got mine.

YES! YES! Oh god could this war be any more like my birthday.

[quote name='Cataduanes' timestamp='1295963839' post='2600039'] haha yeah I heard this before from the very same guys your rolling now. And the criticism is aimed at the champions of Karma, MK. It was MK who raised the bar in terms of conduct during the Karma war, and while the principles for which Karma was fought may not matter one iota to you they did matter to a whole raft of us who fought for it. [/quote] Good. I like to fight people who know how to talk a good fight, it means their heart is in it. Personally, I think this is another raise to the bar of conduct; fight for what you believe in, fight for how you want the world to be. If everyone did that, everything would be about karma, in its truest sense. Let what goes around come around, and around, and around.

[quote name='Cataduanes' timestamp='1295962512' post='2600007'] Yet we have some MK'ers claiming this move is realpolitik in its motive?!? How did you miss that element?. I am neither a child nor a coward and i find this whole mess repugnant, your own rather erroneous and self-indulgent rant will not stop those who oppose this sort of arbitrary behaviour from voicing their dissent. And if you failed to notice the voices of dissent are from a wide spectrum of allegiances, including those who have fought alongside MK on more than one occasion. [/quote] Dear lord, why would I care who else claims what about it? As noted, anything said the opposition will spin - why bother? Repgunant? You have no soul. Self-indulgent? Dear god yes, I do plan to indulge. Arbitrary? Oh, please, show me a code of conduct that isn't; you fail ethics forever. Dissenters? Let them stand up and fight. It is more than welcome. It is all but sacred. Bring it on, bring it on, bring it on! [quote name='not adolf hitler' timestamp='1295962627' post='2600010'] That description you provided only applies to the medieval stages and before. Last I checked it is 2011, which is not located in the medieval era and before. [/quote] Why yes, in the modern age everyone does hide behind pathetic justifications, masking their hate in a web of worthless treaties and weasal-words. People die no less, wars are fought no less, people hate no less - but simply coming out and [i]saying so[/i] is taboo? Why are we supposed to play by your rules for how we pick our foes? It is no secret that everyone has been longing for a war. People have been sitting around moaning that nations are dwindling to dust, falling away into the west, for want of a world in which anyone just does the thing their soul cries out to do, because they [i]really want to do it[/i]. Heaven forfend I should admit I just want to bathe in the blood of our enemies! What a monster I am. Deal with iiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.

[quote name='not adolf hitler' timestamp='1295961411' post='2599979'] This whole declaration is disgraceful :/. I am not a fan of NPO, but this is ridiculous. [/quote] Oh, what are you talking about? Since when is "we despise you, we hate what you stand for, we believe this world is a worse place for you being in it, get dead and do it now" a ridiculous reason for war? It is in point of fact the only reason for war, the only true and honest reason to fight, and if seeing an army march beneath that banner does not make your blood sing - if the casting off the petty pretenses of realpolitik does not make your heart soar - then you are a child or a coward. This declaration is perfect. It is sublime. It is the essence of life itself. It is transcendant. Do not sully it with your unworthy bleating! Stand silent if you are afraid - or if not, scream blood and fury, cast off your shackles, and FIGHT. This is a time for half-measures only if you are half a man. I think I'm in love.

oh oh oh oh oh oh SO happy. Oh me oh my. Oh. oh wow. Oh. This is the best war declaration in the history of this turgid, dull, mealy-mouthed, rules-lawyering, whiny little world. EVERYTHING. MUST. DIE.

What's confusing me right now is stuff like this: [quote name='KainIIIC' timestamp='1287545847' post='2488360'] I think the main difference of opinion here is that I don't like reps whatsoever, I'd rather allow people to play the game and actually take risks for once.[/quote] Actually take risks? Dude, there's no risk whatsoever if everyone white peaces everything jolly good go-around chaps what what I say, because there are no consequences for your actions. Which part of 'you don't get to swing for us and just walk away because you think it's right' are you missing? If you fight us for that principle and lose, [i]we don't have to kowtow to that principle[/i]. You don't just get to shout it louder until people listen and expect the world to magically think like you; you have to fight us, win, and enforce what you believe. Except you don't want there to be any consequences to war, you don't actually want it to mean anything, and I'm sure you'd think terms of "you are no longer allowed to say thing x" are even harsher than $300mil, so... what is it you want here? A world in which everyone just slapfights for no stakes at all? Do you think that's fun? I can't see a world that works that way being fun for anyone but infrahuggers who want the side of 'right' to win without ever having to put it's money where it's mouth iiiiiiiiWAIT A MINUTE. Story short the problem here is not reps, it's that people are apparently so scared of having losing mean something that they're unwilling to fight. It's pretty clear that's not on us, or FnKa, or the Ninjas (though I'm disappointed you guys peaced before I could thoroughly bite off more than I could chew in the latest round of dec's). These guys it turns out are not bad, I have some respect for them now that I didn't when they seemed to just be more of the crybabies of WCE, with half an ounce more testicular fortitude. Turns out they probably bite crybabies heads off for breakfast and use their gonads to counterbalance cranes. I can dig it. Preview edit: Because they were trash-talking us before the war so both sides would go into it all guns blazing, at a guess. c.f. my scale estimations for certain parts of their anatomy.

I look down on this treaty. That way I can see down its top.

woop woop hurrah all of us and goongradulations to Umbrella's excellent diplomats, whom I love like mates what I love because oh lordy you guys have taste. GOONS Umbrella

To open up another can of worms - what, in the same way that FARK and TotalFark were the same? This is just an example of confirmation bias at its finest. People who are determined to see this as evidence that we're exactly the same as the old GOONS, take this thread as being vicious bullying forcing someone to identify themself and refusing to accept any possible compromise - in spite of that being the most extreme interpretation you could possibly take, implied only if you begin from the position that we are unrelentingly malicious. By contrast, an entirely different group - determined that we're TotalGOONS or some other drivel - are sneering at this as a sign that we're afraid of comparison. So, end of the day? We have the same acronym. We draw from the same source. We even have some of the same members - the ones who didn't vanish from the planet, because we know how to keep our joking around within the boundaries of acceptable behaviour. We have taken the good bits from the old alliance; we've ditched the dead weight. We are neither the same alliance, nor are we wholly different. As is almost always the case, the correct answer is somewhere in the middle. And to clarify: we are not 'backing away' from the nasty implications. We're flatly denying that we were implying them. You can read them in if you like - but that's got a great deal more to do with your assumptions of our intent and attitude than to do with what we said.

Much as people seem to be taking our terms here as unreasonable, I suspect the international reaction to anyone militarily supporting this guy would have to be pretty interesting. What our detractors seem to be missing is that the individual responsible for this challenge wanted to bring back the old GOONS exactly - most specifically the leadership. You know, the individuals, whose names would be censored out here were I to mention them, who were responsible for the unacceptable actions that killed the old alliance; indeed, the individuals who sanctioned most of the historically harsh and unacceptable terms in which the Order of Neutral Shoving was involved. Much as we are being criticised on the same grounds, I honestly believe that anyone taking a serious look at this can see the difference; this is unhurtful, unharmful humour, directed against someone who wants to bring back the other kind. Making it a video is part of the terms based on SA tradition and simply the fact it requires some effort; anyone who is implying that we'd have rejected an entry using hand puppets, or refused to revise the terms if his nation's technological infrastructure didn't afford him the use of a video camera, is attacking a clear straw man. We are not the old Order. We'd have rejected no-effort or unfunny attempts - or in this case, no attempt at all. But we'd have been justified in declaring war on the guy with no offer of clemency at all - for the price of ten minutes and a sock puppet, we'd have equally cheerfully given him a permanent, uncancellable NAP. Here are the new GOONS; only the same as the old GOONS if that's really, really what you're trying to see.

Nonono! Do note - it's not a declaration of war from even the whole alliance if he fails. It's a declaration by Tristesse's squad only. I believe Tris' squad currently has 2 people in it? Maybe 3.

Why would we want to just kick the guy's $@!? That'd be harsh. He's one dude, with an NS of, as of posting earlier, something like 3. giving him a chance to get us to sign a perma-NAP in exchange for a Joke Marathon is much more awesome. Getting upset about that is a pretty major stretch and I think everyone involved knows it.

We just want to pre-empt any possibility. We don't want that fate for them. [Editing to add OC: People trying to equate this with the OC attacks that killed old GOONS need to get some perspective. This is harmless joking around - I don't get how you can't see that.] [Double edit: AAAARGH double post]

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Everyone do please remember: as per standard challenge protocol, if you would like us to start that war, anyone who takes on the challenge and completes an element of their choice before the original challengee does gets to decide his fate! It's definitely not time for Shark Week. The rigours of TV scheduling prohibit it!

Aaaaaaaand it's on! After all, any true goon appreciates the Challenges. Ninja edit: I CAN'T READ!

Funny you should say that.

Do it. Do it. DO EET. C'mon. If your alliance membership isn't set to "TotalGOONS" inside the next ten minutes, I will be sorely disappointed. Where's that declaration of existence? I can lend you an image of a smily grenade.

Just so everyone's clear, this prize exhibit here has spent the last couple of days being generally laughed out of town while trying to persuade the new GOONS that he's gonna make a comeback with the old GOONS somehow. Also he wants 404 to come back and lead his new alliance, and was after banned member's email; we would wait with bated breath but, ya know, too busy s!@#$%*ing. For anyone not clear: Goon Order of Neutral Shoving - Old GOONS; disbanded by its last Optimus Prime Minister. Don't exist no more. Goon Order of Oppression, Negligence and Sadism - New GOONS; awesome, existant and from outer space. This joker - a reroll whose NS is actually pretty much too low to be declared on. Gutted? I was.