Rush Sykes
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So, instead of attempting to mitigate what is going to be pushed on you later, you should instead be extra vindictive? You aren't seeming to get the other side of the coin here.
This "mitigation" thing does not work. That is reality. You can sit there in denial of it till you are blue in the face. But hey, we have more warm and fuzzies.. so HAIL PEACE AND THANKS EVERYONE FOR AN HONORABLE FIGHT.
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Let's just all be 100% clear: Is it your, Rush Sykes, contention, that this entire war sparked by DS attacking is a large revenge operation to white knight Pacifica over the terms given to them in the last war?
Nowhere did I say that. DS or DBDC can have whatever means to whatever ends they want to for this war. The idea of proper vengeance SHOULD have been the motivation behind other people to SUPPORT whatever their initiative was. I find myself across the battlefield from people who commit what I genuinely perceive as a wrong to an ally of mine, if I am committing my forces to support someone else's initiative... the price of that support SHOULD be... the satisfaction of evening the score for myself and my allies (because if you weaken my allies, you weaken me by attachment.)
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except, getting even means you will be rolled for it later, considering you argue that Polar enforcing the terms of last war is why they're in this situation in the first place.
This just in... you will ALWAYS get rolled for EVERYTHING later. God you say some dumb things.
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You are off your rocker if you think Equilibrium is a good analogy to the current situation. There were no reps because the "Equilibrium Coalition" was so unstable that unity was impossible, and any desirable/effective reparations (targeted towards Umbrella/MK upper tiers) were basically unenforceable due to the military situation (Doomhouse upper-tier dominance, etc).
But let us look at even more recent history and pose a simple question: were it not for reparations in the Disorder War, where would Pacifia have ended up in this war?
Your question cannot be answered because none of us know what would have happened to NPO this war without the terms from the last war, you have only your (or whoever else happens to reply) conjecture.
The fact is, no matter how you break it down.... terms were offered to Umb. Terms were accepted by Umb. Everyone in EQ soiled their undies at the thought of having to enforce those terms, so Brehon eventually force fed a "no terms because these guys are too scared to enforce them" then you had mass elements of EQ blame Brehon for their own lack of testicular fortitude in enforcing the terms they wanted. Slice it how you want to. You cannot say "well the coalition didnt get along, so we cannot use that as an example"... We can exemplify coalition cracks in every single war. NPO ended up enforcing 0 terms on DH. Those who wanted the much more harsh terms (Valhalla and their ilk) immediately were scooped up by the same side they wanted to impose harsh terms on to punish NPO because they all wanted to pain the very thought of terms on DH as NPOs idea and NPOs idea alone. The reality is, we let this whole front out of the war with taking what amounts to next to no damage. You can be happy with that, I think you are a fool if you are happy with that.
I do know that I have been in MANY coalitions. Many winners, many losers. Never have I witnessed a large group such as this getting away with so little damage, with so little fighting, with so little care. This is the political reality that our "good leadership" is delivering. But hey, at least we all got to say "it was honorable!"
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While we're being ridiculous, I think TLR should be punished for allowing those terms to be given to their ally. I mean Brehon/Letum/NPO didn't allow EQ to give out any terms, then TLR turns around and lets NPO get terms the very next war. TLR should be ashamed. Whoever is sharing a front with TLR should put terms on TLR regardless of which coalition TLR is in.
In all seriousness, the idea that defending alliances in the defensive coalition of a war started with no CB should be given any terms is an idiotic idea worthy of only the most liberally idiotic such as Rush.
Only in your tiny world created by your tiny mind, is getting even a ridiculous thing. Getting even has been the majority reason behind nearly every military action ever taken in this game. Increasingly though, we have more and more "leaders" who think that terms are terrible (funny though, you didnt think any potential terms were so horrible last war, or in EQ, it may or may not have something to do with you winning those... possibly?) and that anyone (me) who suggests it is a political mistake (it is) to let the offenders of the last war off with next to no damage is being "ridiculous."
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So, giving terms is a justification to getting rolled, but unless you give terms, you're weak and !@#$@#$ yourself over, alright.
Giving terms is quite simply getting even. More people are more interested in warm and fuzzies, its why the political climate on Planet Bob is so Admin-Awful. Everyone wants to act like genuine dislike, grudges, vengeance are things to shy away from , I simply do no subscribe that philosophy.
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Normally I like what you post, but this is a bit ridiculous.
You're confusing "good leadership" with "blind vengeance."
I'd also be interested in you backing up the bolded, since recent history seems to show the opposite.
Recent history? Ask NPO about recent history. You can spin it how you want, until you are blue in the face, but NPO's coalition essentially ended up giving DH NO terms. You can pontificate and debate the route that took them there, but the terms were none. The reward of that none? Terms on them for entering the next war on a defensive treaty. Vengeance need not be blind. You do vengeance a disservice by adding a faux adjective to enhance your position. I also did not say anything about "good leadership" so again you interject a term to accentuate your position. This, quite simply could have been handled, as I said twice now... "2 weeks of yy nations coming out of pM, then you can walk." When you let douchebags get away with douchebaggery, do you call that "good leadership?"
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This guy gets it.
It's nice to see Alliances be the bigger person (people?) and stop the cycle of vindictiveness before it starts.
Not one time in Planet Bob history has "being the bigger person" served an alliance well.
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You know, I agree that people around here a bit too ready to embrace former enemies and don't seem to have much in the way of long-term values or principles to guide them (whole other issue there). But where do you draw the line on this revenge terms stuff? Talk about long memories, are people really supposed to be righteously angry on behalf of some forced peace mode for NPO, given some of the terms anyone with a long memory will recall that they've imposed?
Where does it stop IS a fair question. It is just one that happens to have no singular answer. In this case, all of this was less than 11 months ago. In terms of history for planet Bob, it was practically yesterday. A simple "We can talk peace after you bring yy number of nations above 80K out of PM could have satisfied the retribution for last wars nonsense for this particular group of combatants. Regardless , the NOTHING peace is disgusting and it has been shown time and time again that it ALWAYS bites the peace-giver in the ass , while at the same time proving that douchebag peace-giver "got away with one."
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I'll await your declaration on Umbrella for being one of the hardest pushers for those PM terms then.
There is a reason I said leaders need long memories. But I do not expect you to read and understand what I mean, because like so many people, you are far more interested in the zinger than in understanding. That Umb is not currently in position for this score to be settled, does not change the fact that the rest of these AAs ARE in that position. If you set out to kill an army of 12,000, and 11,999 show up and 1 is late, you do not let the other 11,999 off the hook till the last one arrives. Umbrella is in a unique position of paying for their role in that with meaningful action. Whether or not they succeed will be determined in time.
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3 1/2 pages before someone comes in pissing and moaning. That's pretty good.
One person's pissing and moaning is another person's principles. With 0 exception, each of these alliances did exactly what they imposed terms on NPO for doing. And they did it on a much larger, much grander scale. And for their duplicity, they got what amounts to token war damage and nothing more. The folks on my own side will not like my stance, and quite frankly, I do not care, because it is embarrassing to me that those I supported are this soft.
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So... a large portion of those who supported NPO terms for 17 of 393 nations in PM... all hide 20-30(at less than 1/3 the size of NPO in most cases) in PM for the entire war and get nothing for it? Not the way I would have ended this front. World leaders need 2 things :
1) Backbone
2) Long memories.
Apparently we are in short supply on both.
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(OOC)I give you my address buy you a plane ticket and you meet us face to face, at which point your 1st and 4th amendments will be immediately violated, while we introduce you to the second. (/OOC)
Feel free to bring friends the more the merrierWhat an absolutely flipping idiotic thing to say in a (OOC) GAME (OOC). FFS you are a special one.
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I'm just waiting for noWedge to return.
You, sir, may now go away.
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As others have pointed out, y'all conveniently forgetting that Umbrella was one of the main pushers for those terms and now resides on your side of the war avoidng "due punishment".
That is pretty damn false. Considering the tech levels on your side vs the tech levels on this side, to claim that you would take damage that is longer to rebuild is ridiculous. Y'all could easily double if not triple team most of our upper tiers and given the tech disparity, would wreak havoc on this side. Even if we all came in within a few days, we may have damaged a small percentage but it would have cost all of our upper tier to do that.
I forget nothing of the sort...and it is very possible that Umb will someday face a comeuppance for their role. Umbrella may have pushed for those terms, but make no mistake about it, nobody on this game is buying that a Daikos led Umbrella was a "leader" of that coalition. You can conveniently ignore it till you are blue in the face, but that coalition belonged to Polar-TOP. This is not something new on Planet Bob, and you pretend to act like it is. The buck for last war stops at TOP-Polar. They will always be held to the standard that their coalition imposed. It has been in the past, it will be today, it will be in the future. Stop being intentionally obtuse about it.
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You talk about being smarter than a post, what you are considering is basically having TOP demolished to a mid-tier alliance simply because it can do so.
When they presided over a coalition that punished NPO for FAR less Peace Moding, and lets be honest, it does not matter who pushed for it or wanted, its existence falls at the feet of NpO and TOP, then why not expect TOP to pony up and get properly wrecked. What you do in the past has, will, and should always, effect how you are treated in the future. If they could not stand up to the coalition they helped create (along with NpO) and LEAD it, then they leave themselves subject to that which happened under their watch. This is not a new thing on Bob.
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it is totally subjective to paint any alliance as "worst" or one of the 5 worst even. Basing it totally objectively on how alliances function within the game itself....here is my list....
1) MHA - Never has any alliance done so little with so much.
2) Hooligans - It is not even that they were so terrible, it is that they thought they were more important than they were and played like they had earned a big fish in a big pond title. Also, they literally consciously made a decision to make Green Muffins gov.
3) DRAGON - What a trainwreck they were.
4) The 2nd incarnation of FoB. Let that which is dead, remain dead.
5) Thriller - Lots of hubub and bravado till they found out Argent was coming for them. Fake courage from day 1.
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Sadly that's what this coalition is all about, war without reason because they can.
I'll enjoy the future watching many of the alliances supporting it now complaining and trying to distance themselves from it when the chickens come home to roost.The potential of a DoW on is an actual Dow on all... they just evolved your strategy! Also, I have no clue whats going on here, but my explanation sounded plausible.
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I mean, you Rush certainly are an expert on the tactic. It almost worked for TLR during Disorder too. Almost.
[spoiler]You asked for it, can we still be friends?[/spoiler]
Except that you are completely wrong. During Disorder, granted, I was in PM the whole war. We also had a total of nations who were in PM the whole war. Out of a pre-war total of 97 nations. Of those 12, only 8 of them were 75K+.. when you consider alongside that , that we began the war with 15 nations over 100K, it becomes quite clear that we did not engage in a preservationist strategy, and to suggest otherwise, quite frankly, is foolish.
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You can all troll Berbers and NATO till you are blue in the face, it does not make his question less pertinent. Sitting in PM for any longer period of time is not going to ever change the odds in favor of those nations. The only reasonable assumption is that they hope to sit out the duration of the war. Essentially, the are ensuring that the war will last longer, probably hoping cracks will form or any existing cracks will widen and strengthen their post-war political position. None of this is rocket science.
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I am honestly not sure what to make of this. If the total times that MI6 is brought up is zero, then how do we have a "Hey look at me" culture? Not to mention, you specifically stated that you bring us up on purpose. So, this statement seems contradictory to your previous claims.
It was a tongue-in-cheek commentary on the "we wouldnt have the relevance we have" part of your post (I probably should have bolded it). Half of zero relevance is still zero relevance....was the point, but as I said, "tongue-in-cheek."
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To be fair, it is less of a "Hey look at me" and more of you and others saying "Hey look at them" culture now. I would wager if I cared enough to take the time, our name is brought up at least half the time by people outside of MI6. So if the "Hey look at them" people would shut up about us, we would have only half the relevance we currently have.
I may not be the brightest bulb on the string of lights, but even I know that half of zero is still zero.
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Like the creation of blogs and topics drawing attention to yourself you mean?
I swear I left a mirror around here somewhere.I know it is unthinkable to you, since it is clear nobody in your alliance has given anything any thought since you DOE's, but it happens to be true that only did that blog because quite a large number of people ASKED me to. It really was very little with "hey look it is me"... the 1st one I did 2+ years ago maybe was to a degree a "hey look at me".. this time though, it was back by popular demand. What sucks even more for those of you who love to troll it.. it was a smash hit.
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If you'd quit talking about us so damn much, old friend, our name might not come up so often in every discussion.
MI6's propensity for talkativeness and nonsense has been greatly diminished over the past few months, yet you insist on the same tired talking points.
Nobody in MI6 wants to be anything other than MI6. We are paying the price of our and our allies' lack of political foresight, and that's perfectly fine - it's how Bob works, after all.
When the war ends, I may do just that... until then, I take it upon myself to remind people why they should be glad to be fighting you. Until this war peaces and a new FA gambit begins to play out, your alliance is squarely an enemy of mine.
I can't think of a topic title to post so here it is!
in Alliance Announcements (IC)
Posted · Edited by Rush Sykes
How are those eggs in that TOP basket working out for you? Have you properly thanked Umbrella for giving you your way out of this war? Enquiring minds want to know.