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[quote name='Rush Sykes' timestamp='1296432901' post='2611711'] That is relative, and you have been around long enough to know it, so I wont bother to debate it with you. What 57th expected was to be able to pick and choose the shots they take at PC, without impunity, because lets face it, RoK is not an easy nut to crack, and they are not gonna be bothered to declare out any wars on either of these 2 alliances. We simply are here to see that our allies are not hit with impunity while we are largely unengaged since recent surrenders. Once again, anyone wishing to counter Athens, is more than welcome. [/quote] We didn't join because we expected an easy war taking swipes at PC. In fact, activity on IRC and the forums has bolstered since we've been countered, and everyone's in a more jovial mood since we have more action. Which brings me to my next point; We want to fight, you guys want to fight, can't we just agree on that and shoot each other?

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1296430839' post='2611674'] [color="#0000FF"]So, 57th wasn't giving PC as hard a time as Athens is saying you were? Then does that mean that this is bait for RoK?[/color] [/quote] Shrugs. Could be. Either way, if we had 3 wars or 13 wars it wouldn't have made much difference in the grand scheme of things, so I'm not sure where the "hard time" comes from.

[quote name='Fyfe XIV' timestamp='1296429075' post='2611653'] I'm not bragging. I'm telling you that we've come into this war to quickly and cleanly get these alliances out of the war so we can relieve pressure on our allies. Not every alliance can white knight and declare on big bad alliances with 1:11 odds. Also, if you look up the 57th etc. war sheet, PC has 0 declared wars and 57th has declared 2. We have become a bigger threat to 57th so now they focus on us, leaving PC freer. [/quote] We actually had a grand total of 3 wars with PC before you guys joined. NS ranges were a pain. Oh, and we're still fighting them. [quote=Charles The Great]I guess I am missing something........but what exactly is the point of the thread title as this has absolutely nothing to do with AZTEC?[/quote] Hide before Evilsquirrel finds this thread

[quote name='rsoxbronco1' timestamp='1296419633' post='2611421'] Remember when we were hated by people who actually knew how to make words into sentences that made sense? also, HI UBER! [/quote] I dunno, I could understand that post pretty well. You're sure it's them and not just you?

[quote name='Penkala' timestamp='1296411686' post='2611270'] Don't you worry about us, Schatt. We've got this under control. [/quote] Well, we have less nations in anarchy than them

[quote name='Vespassianus' timestamp='1296385142' post='2610997'] Honoring an MDP is uncool, but forming an alliance like 2 minutes before DoW and bandwagon is cool? Your logic makes sense 57th... [/quote] "Bandwagoning?" Last I checked, you guys had a decent advantage when we joined the war.

[quote name='Veneke' timestamp='1295543705' post='2586601'] Welcome from Schatt & Sith?! More seriously, its good to be back and thanks to all those who wished us well/welcomed us back. [/quote] And am I the only one who noticed a positive GLOF comment? In any case, thanks for the warm welcome everyone.

[quote name='Lennox' timestamp='1295502716' post='2585400'] A big DOW for a little man. [/quote] Who needs a large alliance, when you have an abundance of balls, bayonets, and a love for roleplaying?

Wheee! Good to be back --Insert flaming below this post--

\o Ragnablok \o 57th

[quote name='ConeBone69' date='17 February 2010 - 06:11 PM' timestamp='1266459061' post='2188592'] Don't worry, I've already quit. [/quote] Smart man And you don't even have to put up with him in private IRC rooms...

[quote name='Lord Panda' date='17 February 2010 - 06:06 PM' timestamp='1266458793' post='2188585'] Quitters never win. [/quote] Oh deary, is this thread also going to degenerate into a Lord Panda vs. Just about everyone else epic?

[quote name='Thunder Strike' date='17 February 2010 - 05:45 PM' timestamp='1266457527' post='2188546'] I feel like I should make a post here. Hopefully it will settle some things. I was given Root Admin access to the 57th forums in order to see if I could dig up anything conclusive. This wasn't an easy task as the Admin CP there doesn't track all IP's logged in from. And their search function was down so I had to search for everything manually. So here is a list of what I found. - The user JackieChan is indeed a Multi as more than one account on the 57th forums is associated with an IP that this account used. - I found only 2 IP's linked to JackieChan, neither of which matches Iyeman's IP. (I would like people to keep in mind that the 57th's boards only tracks IPs from which the account was registered, and also with every post made the IP used to make that post is listed so this is not conclusive evidence to whether the IP screen shot is fake or not). Based on the geographical distance of the two IPs used by JackieChan it seems most likely that a proxy was used. Also 2 posts of JackieChan remain unaccounted for, and thus the IP's linked with those posts. - The screen shot of Veneke's post used in GLOF's CB is a fake. There is no evidence of it existing on the 57th boards and no evidence of such a post ever existed in the Admin or Moderator logs. Also as people have stated the spacing doesn't match up with the format used on the 57th's forums - The screen shot of Iyeman's leaving topic used in GLOF's CB is real, I would like people to notice that how in the CB if you zoom in on it that it has the same pixel distortion as the IP screen shot. - As per the IP screen shot that is the main basis for the CB all I can say conclusively is that the topics that are being viewed in the screen shot all exist and all existed at the time the screen shot is supposedly taken at. [/quote] I doubt we'll be seeing any more GLoF posts now. Am I annoyed that we got not a cent of reps? Yes, but the lack of treaties GLoF will be getting in the future makes up for that, imo.

[quote name='Bower3aj' date='16 February 2010 - 08:27 AM' timestamp='1266337665' post='2185682'] I don't even know why the screen shot of Veneke's post is being talked about. It's not our CB. The screen shot with the IP addresses is. [/quote] Uh yes, it actually is your CB. Because until your .gov got their hands on/forged that screenshot, they were in full agreement with us that Iyeman was a spy.

[quote name='NoFish' date='15 February 2010 - 07:09 PM' timestamp='1266289773' post='2184129'] You know, come to think of it, it's [i]awfully[/i] convenient that GLoF somehow managed to stay out of a war when almost every one of their allies was involved in it. Almost as though they intentionally kept themselves unoccupied in case something came up. Now, unlike certain alliances, I'm not one to toss accusations without evidence... but it certainly makes you think, huh? [/quote] Given the general GLoF stupidity seen here recently, I wouldn't be surprised if that actually was the case.

[quote name='agafaba' date='15 February 2010 - 06:29 PM' timestamp='1266287392' post='2183999'] It was the leader of the 57th who sent fake screen shots to GLOF to have a member ejected... I have seen much worse CBs in my time then this one. If by some odd chance the jpeg did have varying levels of distortion from one IP to the next it is a fluke, and you can hardly blame GLOF for assuming it wasnt. My personal opinion is that all the pictures are fake, still leaving 57th in a much worse light then GLOF, however I am still hoping something can be reached between the two of them asap. [/quote] Really, the problem isn't with the CB. The problem is that they declared on an ally, taking only 42 minutes to try and contact their ally's leader, and with no success, cancelled their treaty on a whim and attacked. Another problem is that they didn't see the glaring inconsistencies with the screenshot which was sent to them as "evidence" that the 57th was spying, which they obviously would have seen if they'd taken a minute to sort thing out with Ven when he WASN'T afk. (That's what E-mails are for, y'know?) But of course, now that this didn't happen, GLoF is playing stupid and pretending to not see the glaring inconsistencies, because they know that they've @#%!&$ themselves by attacking. The way they decided to hit while we were engaged with TORN and WFF is just a massive reflection of their cowardly attitude - sure, we were in Defcon1 with military improvements, but all allies are engaged, and it's now 3.5mil NS alliance against us. [s]You know what, this thread does nothing but make me want to ZI GLoF members more, some more than others.[/s] Anyway, I doubt GLoF will get any treaty partners for awhile after this. Also, I'll send a magical cyber cookie to any alliance which [s]decides to be overly honorable and give GLoF a taste of their own medicine[/s] aids us militarily/ecomonimcally. I promise.

[quote name='Bower3aj' date='15 February 2010 - 03:36 PM' timestamp='1266276975' post='2183614'] Ven you're lucky. I'm pretty sure I've seen most of the people that are hailing you and believing your word cry foul when people they don't like did this exact same thing. Since when has it been OK to log dump peace talks? Thunderstike was doing a fantastic job. I doubt that will matter as you've circumvented the talks themselves and are appealing to what are essentially the unwashed masses (I mean it only as the saying). To you, the unwashed masses, since when do you hail such actions as this thread? In every instance that an alliance has log dumped peace talks they are never lifted up as righteous and honorable. But here you are, finding no fault for disrupting peace by trying to use the talks as political leverage. Have your opinions actually changed or do you have no real beliefs? Do you base what you say only off of who did something or says something? For shame to all of you, and for shame to you Veneke for being willing to sacrifice peace talks so you can puff out your chest. [/quote] "Waaah, you're actually supporting the people we're at war with??? This is unheard of, especially when we canceled our treaties on a whim and declared on our allies 42 minutes after making ONE attempt to sort out the situation diplomatically! BAWWWW!!!" That's amusing

[quote name='evilsquirrel' date='15 February 2010 - 03:17 PM' timestamp='1266275831' post='2183599'] Am I the only one that realizes that 98% of the people criticizing veneke or the 57th are from GLoF? Hell all of the ex-57th members bashing ven and trying to make him look bad are IN GLOF! lol.[/quote] Nope you aren't, I was very close to pointing this out yesterday In any case, this conflict has done nothing but heighten my opinion of Ven, and lowered my opinion of everyone who actually supports GLoF's actions. Ven was literally ordering those of us who were weakened from the first war to go PoW to save our pixels. (Of course, many of us ignored his orders, we're fighting alongside him.) I'm no tech guy, but I can see the blaring inconsistencies between the (faked) post which GLoF was using as evidence, and any other of the thousands of posts on our forums. That is a faked screenshot, which someone in GLoF (Or GLoF's leadership) decided to use to stir @!#% up, and that is a simple fact. We will not admit to something we have not done. Prepare for hell, GLoF.

[quote name='Bower3aj' date='14 February 2010 - 05:09 PM' timestamp='1266196140' post='2181720'] as I said, not my evidence to give out. Perhaps you should re-read it. Perhaps you'd like to respond to my first response of you as well. or were you just going to skip over the part that you were wrong? [/quote] Why isn't it yours to give out? It's open to the public so anyone can see it, right....? Oh wait, there is none, that's why

[quote name='Cairna' date='13 February 2010 - 06:49 PM' timestamp='1266115787' post='2180113'] Sounds like GLOF could have spent more time on the 57th's forums. I know generally when I worked as CD's DoFA, I liked to know an alliance and spend a fair amount of times on their forums and IRC before I treatied them. Especially when I intend to cancel the treaty and declare war on them over something that could easily be proven false or true, given a reasonable amount of time. I mean seriously. Words can't describe how little I like the 57th. If I went rogue, Veneke and Mechanus would be at the top of my list just for previous dealings with them. But [i]come [b]on[/b][/i]. [/quote] I you too.

I was going to come in here and add how the post "by Veneke" is completely and utterly faked, but other 57th members have done that for me. Thanks guys

Really Asriel? So you gain information that another alliance was planning to destroy you, but they actually don't because their plan failed when the global war ended. Are we supposed to coexist peacefully now? I don't think so. Also, the poll on that screenie shows you did -not- vote against warring us. It passed, what, 5-2? Nice.

I'm really curious.... how have we been "disrespectful from day 1?"

More spammy stuffz telling you all how we're so great, only in video format. EDIT: Whoops, just noticed Mech already posted it. A long time ago. (Meh, I was told to post it there. ) In any case, regard this as another friendly BUMPITY BUMP BUMP then.

Well, sorry if I don't remember absolutely everything that was said in an 8-page flame war Nevertheless, it doesn't seem good form to me to leave an alliance just to completely ruin someone's game just because you don't like them PZI someone... Again, not my decision, since I know nothing about MA.