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[quote name='Cortath' timestamp='1285419081' post='2464224'] A "rogue" is not a nation, who in, say, responding to offensive spy attacks, warns GOONS of continuing such actions, and then attack GOONS. That is not a rogue. That is a nation responding to offensive military actions against them. [/quote] Except GOONS never spied him, FOK and MK did, and still he declared on GOONS. Not a rogue? [quote name='Cortath' timestamp='1285419081' post='2464224'] The idea that the Red Dawn is "aiding" Methrage is quite preposterous. If we were aiding Methrage, you would not be seeing tens of nuclear weapons flying your way, but thousands. You would not be beset by two nations, but by hundreds. Count your blessings, comrade, for we are not "aiding" Methrage. That we are not interceding on your behalf against him is not "aid" but "inaction." Aid requires an overt act, which we have declined to perform. [/quote] Your obvious bias in your choice to follow the route of "inaction" I would argue that while you are not overtly "aiding" Methrage, you agree with his actions and "aid" him by "inaction".

[quote name='bzelger' timestamp='1285394430' post='2464039'] The Red Raiding Safari was not intended to snub the NPO? Regardless, it's their senator, not yours. There's no obligation to sanction for another alliance; it's done either for friendship or in an expectation of reciprocity. U[b]mbrella has declined to sanction nuclear rogues for us in the past.[/b] We didn't get worked up over it, we just went elsewhere. GOONS has done us the courtesy of sanctioning our rogues on occasion and we've returned the favor in spite of our alliances not getting along. If the NPO doesn't opt into a informal reciprocal sanction arrangement with you that's certainly their perogative. [/quote] This is news to me, please PM me details. edit: also reading Red Dawns obvious bias regarding sanctions, I will keep that in mind should they need a sanction in the future.

[quote name='JimKongIl' timestamp='1285295971' post='2462908'] I didn't want it that way, you are the coolest Goon I know yet the only one in my range. I have not forgotten our days in TOP and I do see the irony. Unfortunately I have a long history with Goons involving some real lame things that also ironically was nothing of your doing. I don't see a way except to persist. I'm not looking to destroy you and white peace is extended to you personally if you ever desire it. [/quote] Food for thought. You say you have a long history with Goons, and given your size I find that hard to believe (Seeing they are mostly small), unless you of course mean Goon Order Of Neutral Shoving? Just curious.

[quote name='Ejayrazz' timestamp='1285208146' post='2461679'] But..but..I've known him longer! He likes me more! My point is, you can't prove that I didn't send him aid, can you? If so, please fill me in, and I say this seriously without an ounce of sarcasm. [/quote] Seeing Methrage haven't received any new aid they can be fairly certain you didn't. If you did it secretly another ??????????? would have popped up.

[quote name='lonewolfe2015' timestamp='1285206888' post='2461651'] Why are GOONS complaining they are being hit? Yall do this everyday to other nations, then you spy someone suspecting (I use that term loosely, since there was no way you could know he was aiding methrage) he was aiding a rogue. Then you label him a rogue, essentially backing him into a corner and forcing him to attack before you hit him. Jim is a sensible guy, you could have talked to him in private rather than trying to slander him instantly. All I ever see on the here these days is GOONS at war with various parties, has it ever possibly occurred to you that it's not them, but you causing this? [/quote] You are waaaaaaaaaaaaay of the reservation here. First up, no GOONS is complaining, if they are please point it out to me. Second, If you read the thread you would know GOONS have been very effective in tracking down the sources of Methrage's secret aid. 3 out 3 so far. They didn't force him into doing anything. 2 others have aided Methrage without ending up fighting GOONS. Jim could easily have paid the 90m and avoided war, or better yet, he could have avoided everything by not aiding Methrage in the first place. I like Aasgard but please check your facts before you post. If anything more is unclear contact me on IRC or by PM and I will be happy to explain it for you.

Damn you Tier 1 barrier, you are indeed a hard competitor.

[quote name='Andre27' timestamp='1285200438' post='2461522'] It would be [s]fun[/s] tempting to mess with their heads wouldn't it. If only to fuel the paranoia [/quote] Send out all the secret aid you want. It's only when Methrage receives some they actually investigate it.

Never doubted you GOONS. Balls in your court Jim.

I love how this also fell on the pirate day. Avast me hearties! Yarr!

A lot of good memories in this thread, I had an epic time in Genmay and but I had even more epic time in Umbrella. Thanks for all the nice good wishes!

Umbrella will grab Hawaii & California. (Or the entire US, whatever works.)

Looks good, congrats.

Sucks we passed the Tier 1 barrier at FOK's expense, but its still sweet.

While I don't approve of such behavior, you have gone out of your way to gain attention these last few weeks. Something like this can sometimes come with it.

Very nice Gopher, although our secret is out.

Stop bragging already. No one cares.

Poison Clan should be up there, can't remember a time where they didn't go all out for their ally. [quote name='lebubu' timestamp='1284118653' post='2448748'] TPF are UjP traitors, by the way. [/quote]

[quote name='Lord Fingolfin' timestamp='1284048881' post='2447709'] Ha, what the hell happened there [/quote] WAE happened.

Holy !@#$ the Tier 1 barrier is suddenly [i]very[/i] close.

[quote name='Swanfield' timestamp='1283950174' post='2446506'] Yes MK are evil. They will probably appreciate that. [/quote] Didn't really answer my question there, I asked if you feel the same regarding MK? You said you felt that both GOONS and Umbrella deserved to be put down/evicted. Do you feel MK should be put down/evicted? Ontopic : Looks like UOKMB's litte crusade was a huge failure, who would have thunk it.

Congratulations guys! Well deserved!

[quote name='Swanfield' timestamp='1283949424' post='2446502'] If I have to, yes. Both of your alliances are just the remnants of the Unjust Path which was deservedly put down a long time ago and clearly needs to be done again for the infested zombies that escaped from their graves. [/quote] Ahh yes, we're so evil and Unjust, did you know that MK was in UjP also? Do you feel the same about them? You know, your ally?

[quote name='Swanfield' timestamp='1283933544' post='2446412'] Oh don't worry eviction is coming, very soon and as Almighty Admin is my witness I will do everything in my power to ensure that this happens. [/quote] You would have to evict us first. Good luck with that.

[quote name='KingMinornut' timestamp='1283899687' post='2445801'] And where was the mighty black senator when goons were raiding black on black? [/quote] While Umbrella disallows raiding of black nations for our own members, GOONS may do what they wish. If you guys wanted to avoid being raided you should have got yourself a protectorate.

[quote name='KingMinornut' timestamp='1283898753' post='2445781'] Indeed, Grog needs to show his quisling face [/quote] Why should he? He was smart enough to distance himself from you guys early on. Glad he did.