Cairna

[quote name='darkfox' timestamp='1297239464' post='2626815'] I can see how you guys would feel trapped but couldn't you have told the people negotiating that CD wanted free reentry? I don't know. It just seems like CD is blaming everyone else and not taking any of the responsibility. [/quote] Our displeasure and opinion was made privately. We've now attained the desired public effect. Nobody trolls better than CD. Nobody ( looking at you, GOONS )

[quote name='Selindryl' timestamp='1297214333' post='2626312'] I wish I were as sneaky as you. Cairna, why didn't we do this?! Also Auctor Glad to see you're still around. [/quote] Maybe we did, sugarplum. Maybe we did.

[quote name='Vespassianus' timestamp='1297193768' post='2625939'] None answered that argument, but yeah personal attacks are easier... [/quote] Because we had originally anticipated involvement within the NPO front, our upper and middle tiers were in peace mode, as that was the chosen strategy for that coalition's front. They entered peace mode after filling up aid slots, and hours later we realized we would be called in against MHA. We did two update strikes, the first with the lower tier, the second we decided would occur when our aid slots expired so we could fill up the lower tier and any allied requests. The intent with the second wave was to provide support for WAPA and coalition nations, but we weren't going to go all in against a numerically superior foe in one night. The intent was to be annoying as possible for MHA milcom, bringing out groups each night. It's understandable that you do not see this because it's not the usual, and it's not something we had time to effectively use. It's a lot easier for them to draw up target lists and counters when they all happen at once, we had every intent of making their mil-affairs time consuming. It doesn't matter at the end of the day. [quote]99% of argument around military prowess are pointless. The rest were about Walford, which were necessary[/quote] Also, if we were not present in the channel ( I did not go often I know, as very little of relevance was discussed in my first few times there) it still would have been nice to have been told that peace negotiations were taking place. We were not. Maybe we're too used to the quality of Terra-Cotta communications. In my discussions with WAPA's TheChief, it was revealed to me that they also had no say in the peace discussions. I don't expect I'll be arguing the point much further. Our displeasure has been noted. Can't say we had any other goal within this thread.

[quote]It is clear that you no longer had reason to be in the war after WAPA achieved peace. I agree. I may be wrong, but wasn't WAPA involved in the war to defend NV from Sparta's attack? So using the exact same logic you are using, with Sparta agreeing to cease hostilities with NV, what was the point in WAPA continuing to war? [/quote] Because while our allies are being gunned down we're left to accept these terms. Terms we were not in any way shape or form involved in the formation of. We came here expecting a fight. We are disappointed. We feel we have been disrespected. Literally, someone from AZTEC came to us and said "We need your sigs for the peace agreement" Saturday night It wasn't until the next day when we were informed of the terms, and we discover that WAPA as well weren't involved. We feel this was an act of disrespect to us. Both in being misled in thinking that our services would be put to good use on this front, and in the complete ignorance of us in any peace negotiations. Please stop making the argument that we could remain in the war. We are beasts of logic, and we know it would serve no purpose. We were cornered. Next time we ask what to expect, I'll be sure not to take it at face value. Apparently the only person you can trust to be honest when they say "Let the world burn" is AlmightyGrub. [quote]Edit: Also you're the second person to call me "buddy" I am not your buddy, nor would I ever wish to be. If you're going for derogatory, I offer you sweetheart, baby cakes, and my personal favorite dahlin'[/quote] My favorite is sugarbosom [quote name='Lukapaka' timestamp='1297144943' post='2625368'] Like I said mate, bash our military all you want. Just know it wasn't us who asked for peace. [/quote] Well, no, generally when it's obvious your allies can win it for you, you don't sue for peace after a few weeks of war. I never said you guys couldn't accomplish basic analysis.

[quote name='Joe32320' timestamp='1297144291' post='2625343'] Congrats on peace Carpe Diem [/quote] ITT joe succesfully manages to out-troll any member of CD? Well done, sir, you will receive your medal in the mail. Wear it with pride.

[quote name='Lukapaka' timestamp='1297143937' post='2625335'] Ha! Say whatever you like, but it looks like we did a quick job of our fronts. Did our allies back us up? Absolutely. I will always hold gratitude toward every alliance that helped us on the battlefield. That's teamwork, mate. Bash our forces all you'd like, but in the end we (the collective we) won. [/quote] Sorry, Sparta, overall you kind of didn't do all that great. Your military didn't work all too well. And didn't Umbrella send you in just to help out wF? Your goals were accomplished, I'm sure, don't get me wrong. AZTEC stands weakened and unable to escalate the conflict. But you guys [i]really[/i] just sorta wobbled around drunkenly. Sometimes that works out well. Also I think you generally skipped over the fact that BiA's post didn't really say that you didn't win. Yeah, we know you did. [quote]Carpe Diem. How dare you state your mind! [/quote] We are hivemind.

[quote name='KainIIIC' timestamp='1297143065' post='2625313'] I don't think CD really has any business to fight MHA after this. Now, if they could somehow agree with MHA to waive that clause or something with regards to CD, then I don't think there'd be an issue among CD members. Otherwise, it does contain some suckage. [/quote] You misunderstand the purpose of his post. He was merely flinging out options at random, hoping to enlighten us. I am enlightened.

[quote name='Charles the Great' timestamp='1297142369' post='2625296'] you know what I am really sorry we are treatied even by proxy........it would be nice to show you what the lodge is made of. [/quote] People so easily offended that they would last half a minute in CD's community if they managed to get past the first few posts in their application without crying foul play? [quote]Rabble Rabble if CD didn't want peace didn't sign Rabble Rabble Should have known beforehand Rabble Rabble[/quote] When CD joined the conflict it was because our discussions in the AZTEC coalition channel implied that it would be worth our time and any outcome. We are happy that WAPA is at peace. Sad we did not get to help them out more. Angry that the coalition channel was full of [s]balls and[/s] bluster. [quote="Dr Gamer"]If they want to help out their allies, then the CD government could strike their names off the peace treaty. We aren't accountable for their actions. If they want to fight, the worst that could happen would be declared on again. [/quote] Once again, the nations of Carpe Diem would like to thank Dr Gamer for telling us that we have options, confirming once and for all that he almost [b]definitely[/b] does not have the capacity to ever be any sort of actual doctor. Thank you for not being accountable for our actions! We are pleibs beneath your grace!

[quote name='Dr.Gamer' timestamp='1297141480' post='2625263'] Learn bi-lateral (or in this case multi-lateral) cessation of hostilities. Terms don't mean a surrender. Geo-politics isn't black and white. In this case, both sides (Sparta, MHA / Team us) wanted to yield. So is it possible to both surrender? No. You have a mutual agreement to cease hostilities. Live with it. [/quote] I am living with it. But you are not going to muzzle us when we try to express our displeasure at the fact that these terms prevent us from helping our friends and were shoved down our throat without even involving us in the talks. It is a mixed bag, I understand that for you guys. It accomplished your goals. We see that now. We were unaware that you were willing to accept this sort of agreement. Had we been aware, we would have apologized to WAPA and stood with our allies in Terra Cotta. [quote]Try negotiating them a peace deal that works in their favor. Allies are good for more than a shield.[/quote] We will do what we can for our allies. Trust me. It does not mean that we are happy to have our wings clipped. [quote]Cairna, if your alliance didn't like the agreement, they shouldn't have signed it. The fact is their names are on the peace treaty so they approved of it. If you have a disagreement with the peace agreement, you should take it up with your government. [/quote] Oh. Hey, that was an option? Oh yeah, maybe we'll do that next time. Oh wait, no we won't because we're not the idiots you people keep suggesting we are. We attempted to have the terms reviewed and argued. It was not happening. So either we refuse to sign and get left out in the cold or we screw over our allies in a worse way then AZTEC honchoes did us. I know you guys accomplished your goals, but I feel like next time you need to let us know before we get ready to burn for you. I have a lot of blue-balled members. [quote]Also, Carpe Diem, I can understand your frustration, but do please keep things civil here. Everyone else directly named in this declaration has, why don't you as well?[/quote] Because that's not what we do. [quote="Selindryl"]That's an even split, so should not the terms have been even as well? Forgive me if this is woman logic, but if it takes 3-0-0 to demand terms theeeen.... [/quote] You are in a government position within the alliance, you are not allowed to use woman logic for state affairs. It is writ.

[quote name='Dr.Gamer' timestamp='1297140051' post='2625212'] To the people complaining about the cessation of hostilities, (Not a surrender) it was in the best interest of all parties. Our side was vastly outnumbered, out strengthed and would have lost in the long run. [/quote] To the uninformed masses that continue to claim that it was not surrender, know that I was involved, and it was indeed a surrender given the fact that there were terms. I would further suggest that said uninformed, and very likely unclean, masses purchase any book relating to critical thinking. If your nation has a University, as ruler, you may also wish to take a Critical Thinking class at any of these institutions. Most of the time they're useless, but, well, it is possible that we in the Order are just far too accustomed to our own education systems. [quote] I'll remember you. Also, this guy you quoted is in Darkfall not the Lodge. Don't get confused. I cannot say that I'm happy to be linked to you. I don't think I will be forever. [/quote] Ooops, oh no, what have I done?????? i am new to politics!! [quote="Daikos"]If they wanted to continue fighting the war so bad they shouldn't have surrendered. This isn't rocket science.[/quote] Apparently to you it is. We surrender because we came here to help WAPA. WAPA is out of harm's way. I still don't count it as a victory, but I'll take it. CD does not have enough clout to ask that we hold off for better terms or at least demand that they pay for the ones we get. We got stuck in this position, we will complain if we want to. Please. [b]Try[/b] for once in your barbaric, heathen life to make an argument that I can't knock down with my breath.

[quote name='Selindryl' timestamp='1297139823' post='2625201'] If you'd like to be above average, I recommend translate.google.com You're welcome. [/quote] As a mere Apostle in our order, Selindryl ( though I must commend you, it is not often a woman reaches such a position ) I would ask that you refrain from posting in this bread, as I aim to make myself average. See through the eyes of the pleibs. Maybe some day we may hope to understand these poor lost souls. It is a sacrifice I am willing to make, as Carpe Diem's Oracle.

[quote name='mythicknight' timestamp='1297139528' post='2625189'] Get out. [/quote] A mod has already discussed with Suiseiseki that the average person will be unable to run it through a translater. To help you out, the translation is "This is disgraceful ~desu" You're welcome. [quote] I have to say I do enjoy all of the [b]Capre[/b] Diem babbling.[/quote] Ohohoho, aren't we a clever little man. Normally when people call it babbling it's because they don't understand it or know it's a valid point. I suspect this isn't any different. Though, understandably someone from the Grand Lodge of Weemasons might not quite pick up on these sort of political overtures.

[quote] Read the OP, buddy, any of the AAs that were fighting on Polaris' side can also re-enter if any of their treaty partners is declared on after this point in time.[/quote] Well, yes, that would be the critical point, wouldn't it? If they're directly declared on after this point in time [b]then[/b] we can enter. But they were declared on a few days ago when we still thought this thing was long-haul. [quote] You can argue that AZTEC has surrendered while NV is still fighting World Federation but you're going to look like an idiot and be wrong. Oh wait. [/quote] Sure, it's nifty that NV can still fight WF, but it doesn't change the fact that we got cut out of a war and are now legally bound not to help people that deserve it. I assume you already understand this stuff, schatt, which is why you're mainly addressing tidbits and cuticles of our posts.

[quote name='spoofmaniac' timestamp='1297138531' post='2625143'] Booo AZTEC. *hissss* We suuck. Laaame. This is what's in these days right, complaining about peace? [/quote] The implication that CD is hip will be taken as a compliment and is duly noted. We thank you for your contribution to our downward spiraling self-esteem.

[quote name='Mephala' timestamp='1297137140' post='2625111'] You are going to leave your alliance high and dry when it has peace to go fight a war someplace else? [/quote] My position in my alliance as such is that I am the heart, soul, and, indeed, CD's very spirit. I do not leave my alliance because I am important to it's functioning. And because women love a man who's second in command of an alliance. They eat that stuff up.

[quote name='Mephala' timestamp='1297136563' post='2625088'] Feel free to fight on. Resign from you alliance and go temporarily join one of the currently warring alliances. Or stick around and complain. [/quote] Thanks, I'll take note of that when I write a book on how to leave your alliance high and dry to run off and be a completely useless jackass. I'll make sure to cite you, though! Don't worry, I always give credit where credit is due. [quote] You do realize that you can rejoin the war in defense of an ally, do you not?[/quote] Newsflash: The only wars going on involving our allies are the ones we're expressly forbidden from joining. High five dude, we're learning together. Next I'm going to explain to you how the quality of your arguments normally depends on the quality of knowledge in general. Stay tuned.

[quote name='Mephala' timestamp='1297136219' post='2625070'] derp derp derp derp [/quote] Thanks, next time we come to your coalition channel intending to throw our support behind you and mentioning that we have other allies in the line of fire, maybe you could consider telling us that you're basically gonna shackle us and let anybody with a pair of hands fondle our bosom as they walk by laughing.

The honorable alliance of Carpe Diem humbly requests that the victors of this war ( all hail the great MHA, Sparta and Farkistan, wielders of awe-inducing militaries ) send this poor wrecked shell of an alliance an equestrian expert to answer us this riddle. Can the CD war pony ever be a stud?

[quote name='Alaric' timestamp='1297134499' post='2625028'] who are you again? AZTEC fought well and hard and gave Sparta all they could handle, and more. I'm sure you won't be surprised if our history books list this war as an AZTEC victory... [/quote] Good to see the "who are you" jokes about me are still in fashion. No, I won't be surprised if you list it as an AZTEC victory in AZTEC history books, because isn't that the typical crap that historians tend to pull? I've got my noise out of joint over this, because our ally WAPA was attacked before our allies in Terra-Cotta charged into a war that they will have to fight without us according to these terms. We entered for WAPA under the assumption that it was a long-run battle and they would appreciate having us by their side, which thankfully they do and I hold no ill will against them. I do however have a problem with being asked for CD's government sigs for surrender terms we played no part in negotiating and frankly have no logical alternative but to sign. It cuts off our balls, and we like our balls. We can see that's not a popular standpoint. We won't hold it against you. But you tread on us. [quote]Yep, and they get to stay in the conflict. GOOD JOB ON THE TERMS! [/quote] I have less of an issue with Sparta being able to get involved in the other conflicts ( lol lol lol lol ) than with the issue of us being neutered. The CD War pony is a stallion. And when it retires, it fully intends to be a stud.

[quote name='TnAGLIMMERMAN' timestamp='1297133920' post='2625017'] I would not go that far sparta took some 3million is NS damage this war. [/quote] And I was looking forward to going further down that path, at least until Polar peaced. Maybe NV will let us join in on the wF front just for fun?

Next time you go to war AZTEC don't wuss out right after we get involved.

[quote name='Crushtania' timestamp='1296473911' post='2612860'] The MHA, again, recognizes the state of hostilities declared by CD. *yawn* We'll see you on the battlefield, yada yada yada. Signed, Crushtania Minister of Babel Fish, MHA [/quote] Wait, can't we talk about this?

[quote name='caligula' timestamp='1296452875' post='2612397'] Our ships will be arriving shortly. If you have any problem with this bypass, be sure to contact the local consul with the adequate forms signed in triplicate. Welcome. [/quote] WAR PONY SPITS ON YOUR BYPASS.

[quote name='SirWilliam' timestamp='1296452645' post='2612366'] The rhetorical question? Yeah, I edited it out (it being a rhetorical question and all). edit: Did you catch this one!? [/quote] I'm going to leave frost on your windowsill

[quote name='SirWilliam' timestamp='1296452464' post='2612345'] Not on GOONS? [/quote] Ohohohoh, caught you, you naughty git. What did that say before you edited, hmm?? Tell uncle cairna.