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Warbuck was asking me for advice. I never said anything about 'coming clean' because as far as I was concerned, he was just playing along with the scenario Kait suggested to him. As I said in the logs you just dumped, I think he either did it or didn't do it and needed to stick to the truth or man up and face the consequences. (The consequences being a blow to his reputation)
The whole "your not doing this to make amends" thing and Warbuck responding to the question "you know the longs were edited?" was covered in this screenshot:
http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x213/Ka...arbucklogs5.jpg
I understand its hard for an ally to acknowledge that they are getting played by a dishonest ally but unfortunately thats what happened here to both of us. I for one dont believe FEAR told Warbuck not to come clean as he insisted, because later on his story changed (yet again) with he cant tell the truth cause some mystery person was warning him he was getting attacked and nothing he said mattered.
[01:31] <KaitlinK[RoK]> I guess what I am asking is are you coming clean or are you stringing me along?[01:32] <Warbuck[ADI]> [02:45:31] <Name removed> Anything that you do at this point will not matter. You have a target on your back, and you WILL get hit. Just hope that CDT has enough to back you up is all I can tell you.
[01:32] <Warbuck[ADI]> [02:45:31] <Name removed> Really, it more about they want you gone personally. Hurting ADI gets to you, so that is what they will do.
[01:32] <KaitlinK[RoK]> Warbuck I can tell you whoever is saying that is manipulating you
[01:33] <KaitlinK[RoK]> and I would call them on that publically if I knew who they were
[01:33] <KaitlinK[RoK]> they are lying to you to keep you from coming clean
[01:33] <Warbuck[ADI]> I haven't decided to believe them or not believe them. I'm looking for proof that they are lying or telling the truth. This person isn't involved on either side, so I don't know his motives.
Note: The "name removed" was done by Warbuck
Warbuck sat in my channel for over 8 hours talking, nobody held a gun to his head and he admitted freely that lied. He talked about everything from who was declaring in defense of TPF, FEAR activating their oA, that two tri's of MHA were talking to him about upgrading his treaty as a result of his initial OWF post, and bragged about the number of allies he was going to get from this. He is flip flopping because he foolishly thinks that he is smarter than all of you and that he can lie his way out of it.
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Yeah... You are really honorable. Have Famzy and Kait make a pact that the convo wouldn't be used on the OWF and then enter later to be able to deny that such a pact was made. And when I discovered that I had a log viewer and not just a stupid .txt, I took a screen. Especially since I knew that you would take my failed attempt to reconcile and use it against me.
Oh not so fast... you were the one that asked I bring VanHoo into my channel so that you could talk to him. To make things right.
In short:
You lied in the first place
You claimed you wanted to make things right
You stated you were going to come clean
You backed out claiming your allies wouldnt let you tell the truth
You got caught and are now exposed for what type of leader you really are.
Screenshots of our conversations:http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x213/Ka...arbucklogs5.jpg <--- admission that the logs are fake.
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x213/Ka...arbucklogs6.jpg <--- further admission and showing us the rough draft of his future OWF post.
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x213/Ka...arbucklogs7.jpg <--- full disclosure.
And now after you are are SO completely busted your trying once again to lie your way out of it (poorly) yet again.
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Actually, I'll say more. During my convo with Hoo, I WANTED to make things work again. But it would mean selling out my allies. If there was a way to clear Hoo's name and make him look better without doing that, I would have taken it.
Yes, you said several times during our talk that it would be hard to come clean because doing so would sell out your allies...
None of us have figured out yet HOW being honest and fessing up, as you did with us, would be selling out your allies?
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The truth will set you free...
Although it took long enough.
We wanted to give Warbuck EVERY oppertunity and the time to come clean on his own, that was 5 days ago. It is regretable that he lacked the integrity to do so after he assured us he would.
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Warbuck approached us and wanted to know how he could fix this and improve his relationship with Ragnarok. He spoke to a few of our members in private and they advised him that it would go a long way in our eyes if he'd admit to what he knows and stop lying about it. He agreed to do so and then had me brought into the channel. We ironed everything out in regard to past miscommunication and I told him we can re-new our treaty if he just comes clean about his dishonesty. He agreed to do so in public several days ago.
Warbuck maintains that he himself did not fake the logs, but that he knew they were edited. He admitted that he did not bother to check them when I approached him due to his anger with me personally. He has since continued to tell his alliance that he told the truth and that the logs are indeed real.
Since Warbuck never went public, I have no choice but to do so for him and end this.
Screenshots of our conversations:
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x213/Ka...arbucklogs5.jpg <--- admission that the logs are fake.
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x213/Ka...arbucklogs6.jpg <--- further admission and showing us the rough draft of his future OWF post.
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x213/Ka...arbucklogs7.jpg <--- full disclosure.
Its ADI's membership I feel bad for. They came on here and vigorously supported their leader Warbuck because they believed him.
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My Xeny Train got derailed by TPF's nonesense. Its going to be a !@#$%* getting everyone back on schedule. The only people I have sympathy for in this war are all the finance government officials in CN.
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Will the claws come out if she does? Or will it just be the vague threats that continue?
Bully tactics are a poor way to shut up opposing opinions.
Wow my post couldn't be more misunderstood if I typed it in Latin... I believe we will soon see some additional information regarding this matter.
But by all means bring on the opposing opinions!
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Having talked to warbuck that doesn't read like him. Maybe those trying to claim faked logs shouldn't then fake others to prove their point.
I would refrain from commenting on this thread for a bit if I were you... just a suggestion to help avoid people from looking foolish.
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Wait..when did Kait join GOD? and whats GOD got to do this this subject anyhowNo. You see, by being in an alliance allied to people that do PZI, she has supported it, and is wholly in favor of it, and does it all the time.
I am the new Ebil Force on Maroon
Spam, Bacon, Ruben, Rogue Wars, Kaiser Martens, Perma ZI, Killing Puppies... you name it I did it! Muhahahaha!
Seriously, its Freelancer we are talking about here. You can slap him around, threaten him, and put him on all the lists you want but if your expecting to teach him a lesson then your just foolish.
I am not entirely sure how he is expected to get off your Semi-Perma ZI List when the term is "until he is no longer a threat" Do you even have a clue what your looking for with that one... blood oath, boyscout honor, pinky promise?
Edit: Forgot about Ruben (thanks Wicked)
Ninja Edit: Rogue Wars (thanks Goose)
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Let me clarify this whole PZI thing. Freelancer is not on USN's PZI list (for we don't have one), nor that of any alliance in CDT. PZI is Permanent. Freelancer is not on ZI Permanently. He was put on ZI for being a threat to USN. Anyone who tries to dispute the fact that he's a threat is a fool - Free has stated multiple times that he would like nothing more than to coup Cora and "restore USN to what it was". This spying attempt is just the latest in a long line of offenses. He'll be taken off of ZI as soon as he can prove he's not a threat to USN. Knowing him, it will be a long time before he even tries to - he takes way too much joy in being an asshat. Cora simply used the term PZI because there's not a term for "ZI until he stops spying, threatening to coup our legitimate government, and being incredibly insulting beyond normal standards".
My apologies for being a bit abrasive, but I get extremely irritated when people who know damn well what he deserves try to defend him. You find him entertaining because of what he does to CDT, but you'd feel exactly the way we do if he were doing it to SF. Only difference is CDT would put try to put a stop to it out of respect for you guys.
Okay now I am REALLY confused:
Halflinger posts his displeasure about The Brain seemingly offering membership to a person on a Perma ZI list...
Friends of the parties involve jump in and boo The Brain as well...
UPN Leader states we dont have them on a Perma ZI list, its those guys over at the USN...
You come in (USN Leadership) and state no no its not us...
So can someone point out to me who has him on the perma ZI list so I can go mock them? Unless of course your comment, "He'll be taken off of ZI as soon as he can prove he's not a threat to USN." is Perma ZI's little known cousin, Semi-Perma ZI?
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I tried to tell you the first time, and you told me "you are obligated".
I wanna play the log game too:
Session Start: Sun Dec 27 00:00:36 2009Session Ident: Warbuck[ADI]
Session Ident: Warbuck[ADI] ((Kait privacy edit))
[00:00] <Warbuck[ADI]> Give some TPF !@#$%^& hell with my name on it
[00:00] <Warbuck[ADI]> I'm currently getting a DoW passed so that ADI can come in for backup
[00:01] <KaitK[RoKWarmonger]> We appriciate that
[00:01] <KaitK[RoKWarmonger]> Watch our $@! and hit whoever tries to tap it
[00:05] <Warbuck[ADI]> You bet we will... I got the dogs of war coming into sign in and get orders
[00:05] <Warbuck[ADI]> and I got a (Kait privacy edit) day warchest
[00:09] <KaitK[RoKWarmonger]> Excellent!
[00:10] <KaitK[RoKWarmonger]> Thats a sexy warchest by anyones standards
[00:10] <Warbuck[ADI]> (Kait privacy edit) mil ready to cause havok
Session Close: Sun Dec 27 01:17:05 2009
Both myself and Hoo were queried by you offering assistance as EVERY log here has shown. You volunteered WELL before any discussion of allies. Now for you to cry the big scary Ragnarok intimidated you is pathetic and a boldfaced lie.
You really have dug yourself a hole so deep you cant even see daylight at this point. Seriously Warbuck now is the time for you to fess up and face the music be the honorable leader I believed you to be.
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You're quite right. That's why he's on USN's perma ZI. UPN have him on normal ZI instead. Just thought I'd clear that up.
My sincere apologies Altheus, I had misinterpreted Halflinger's post. I am pleased to hear that the UPN is not one of those pathetic alliances that resort to the outdated practice of perma ZI’ing nations.
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CB: infiltration and destroying an alliance from the inside.
Freelancer threatened to do that very same thing to USN. I am sure they are in the wrong for wanting to punish the single offender instead of an entire alliance. I will make sure to ask UPN to do a full DoW like you guys did on TPF. Oh also you find it amusing that Freelancer was never at war with UPN or USN at the time that he threatened to do this.
Is that pointed out for you?
So you admit there was no plan to infiltrate the UPN... Thanks for pointing that out.
I would think the USN is more than capable of acting on their own behalf instead of having UPN put him on a perma ZI list for actions against the USN.
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So you don't do dodges?
So let me ask the original question again: You do realize that your CB on TPF is exactly the same as what Freelancer did, right?
Yeah, if you tilt your head to the left, squint your eyes and... no wait that still doesnt work. I so missed the part where Freelancer created an alliance to infiltrate UPN, can you point it out for me?
Non sarcastic version: No they are not the exact same, I dont not see the comparison you are trying to draw between the two situations. I am also uncertain how that has to do with my original post about UPN's perma ZI of Freelancer
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Very well said Archon, as usual.
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I dont do dodges just speaking the truth. PZI's are just foolish and beneath an alliance like Ragnarok. You can quote me on that if you like Spanky
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Call me a cynic* but perhaps they saw the essential bigginess of the coming war and now want it shrink it a wee bit by asking the not-totally-faithful-to-the-alliance-they're-fighting to get out quick?
Maybe they grew bored waiting for this "bigginess" of which you speak?
Either way congrats on individual terms.
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Humiliating yourself and your alliance in public has got to take alot of courage.
I applaud your actions. We all now have a better idea of how weak your spine is.
I... I think... I
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You do relies your alliance is at war with a CB based on plotting!
And tell me again, how many were sentenced to Perma ZI?
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Typical we are the bigger guys so we dont care about the small guys post. Couldn't of pleased me more seeing this RoK way to go again!
Not entirely sure where you got size from my post but okay? I believe that experience matters more than the size of an allance. I wouldn't presume to think that what an alliance had to say is worthless because of their NS nor its number of members.
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Speaking about histrionics while coming across as being less-than-composed is rather amusing. Also, I recommend reading up on the root of that word - it's worth the laugh when you consider what you've said.
/me checks
- overdone emotion: exaggerated emotional behavior done for show or to get a reaction from somebody.
While I am not as articulate as my RoK brothers I am pretty sure its the exact word I was looking for to convey annoyance at Chairman Hal's post and the sentiment in some of the other posts I have read.
And if you ever had a chat with me you would know that was composed, but I guess tone is hard to get from reading a post without smilies....
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My suggestion to ADI...this ship having now sailed so to speak...would be to work out the details of a treaty cancellation with Ragnarok as soon as possible. Ragnarok obviously does not care about your objections and intends to prosecute this war to the fullest extent possible.
We do... really? You sure about that, or are you talking without any REAL knowledge just to sound like your "in the know."
It always sad to see just how far some people have fallen especially when they don’t even realize it. "The fullest extent possible" would be the disbandment of TPF. I don’t see that as happening and you know it would never come to that but by all means keep talking. We still need people like you around here to show the noobs what happens when a decent player catches an overdeveloped sense of self importance and begins spinning fairy tales to entertain us.
ADI wants to cry on the OWF about how their big bad warmongering allies wouldn’t let them mediate between RoK and an alliance (checking their treaty list) they don’t have a relationship with. Okay... Given their limited FA experience and the fact they only have a relationship with one side yeah sure, they seem perfectly suited for the task. /end sarcasm.
ADI in a demonstration of how much they still have to learn fail to realize that Athens, Ragnarok, and TPF are actually led by experienced players that have the maturity to work this out without ADI's help. It’s been a couple days lets save the histrionics... for I dont know... day 5 at least?
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I was speaking about FEAR. As far as I am concerned the validity of the CB wasnt confirmed. We didnt say to you we are abandoning you, we tried to bring peace, if someone had declared on you we were ready to counter - that was our orders, to keep other alliances of Ragnarok's back. However we wanted RoK to attempt and resolve this diplomatically, but you just cancelled. So perhaps its good we parted ways. Shows who our real friends are.
Actually Sunshine, RoK had talked to TPF before this failed public stunt of Warbuck's was posted, and WAY before you were dumped. Its those little details your leader would have known had he talked to RoK before posting. Your leaders actions reflect poorly on the rest of you I am afraid.
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We dont pick and choose friends, sorry but we are better than that. We always knew if we have friends on both sides, we would mediate. If mediation failed, we would be neutral... If you dont appreciate our friendship with other alliances then perhaps you werent worth it. We can't pick sides with friends, we arent prepared to betray either. So yeah... Warbuck made the honourable choice!
Ummm dont mean to point out the glaring flaw in your post but your not allied to TPF???
Mediate if your friends are involved is great but RoK didnt declare war on your friends. Publically bailing on allies AFTER giving them your support, AFTER you were well aware of FEAR's treaty is... well honourable isnt exactly the word I would choose to to describe Wrabuck at this moment.
you. Damnit ADI look what you have done!
Better?
Aqua Defense Initiative Announcement
in Alliance Announcements (IC)
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There is no "alledgedly" about it when he admits it, writes up a "coming clean" post, then shows it to the leader he lied about all the while apologizing. Please, dont make me post the screen shots of HOURS of conversation with Warbuck... please?
To those ADI members that actually think Warbuck got you to where you are now, you're nuts. You, the membership got ADI to where it is in spite of the actions of your newly crowned ruler.
To those allies of ADI that have chosen to stay allied to him... you're like the girl whos boyfriend cheated on his ex's and then is foolish enough to think "Oh he wouldn't do that to me, he really loves me"