Maelstrom Vortex

You can't just up and declare, "I do not trade with the rest of the world save a select few." and be immune to the effects of that decision. That decision has vast consequences. I mean seriously, if you're doing that then theoretically you should be operating at 50% of your IG stat capacity because of resource scarcity.

That is not a truly closed economy. And even if you bought from allies, fewer suppliers would result in a change in trade valuations. People will demand more when they know they can.

I want to propose that we: 1. Ban "closed" economies. Such a thing does not exist in reality because they would completely crumble. I site Myanmar as an example.. and most countries who declare they have such do not want to RP the result of such a policy.. which is the absolute destruction of your GDP and currency devaluation. I appeal to the moderators in this regard.. because I'm finding that economic and demographic god-moding is getting excessively prevalent in CNRP. An example is Martens' most recent claim that an embargo would not affect him in any way. While he may be large enough now that it would marginally affect Greater Nordland, the truth is under a closed economy he would not even have been able to develop to his current size, even with the aid of allies. You have to trade. There is no-one nation on this earth.. save for 3rd world nations.. that can yet produce all the resources it needs.

Personally, I would have no objection. I'm not sure however, I am the one who may take issue with it. I'm simply noting my understanding of the rules in regards to your situation. I assume it would be up with whomever you are directly roleplaying that navy with and you would likely want to talk with them directly before using the navy on such a tenuous ground.

My understanding of the rule was that you could only have as much navy as you could support in game. You don't necessarily have to buy the ships and improvements, but you must at least have the capacity to have them.

Carriers and navy has already been decided. You play what you have in game. No negotiations on this one. It was actually a Mod established rule if I remember correctly.

Historical States of the Dragon Empire Player-----Nation-----Governor-----Council Seat 1. Maelstrom Vortex-----Dragonisia-----Maelstrom Vortex-----Council Chair----- 2. Sir Keshav-----State of Cholan-----Megan Fox-----Minister of Diplomacy&Chairwoman 3. Silhouette-----Bass Strait Republics-----Ioan Carver-----Member of the Grand Council----- 4. Nikonov-----Indochina-----Chairmain Biao-----Minister of Internal Affairs----- 5. Prime Minister JOhns-----Neo Olympia-----Vasili Markov-----Minister of Defence----------State Factbook 6. Ezequiel-----State of Taiwan-----Nebu II-----Minister of Intelligence----- 7. Croutonzz-----State of Othello-----Empress Gaga-----Minister of Health-----

National pride is just a perk really.. I understand your perspective.. but if you're only concerned about efficiency then it's not a priority.

Some of us are to busy building our economies and would rather outsource our military hardware acquisitions. Besides, if we're going to allow merging.. trading's only a step away.. and it does happen in reality so there's a precedent for it. There's also a precedent for merging.. handled correctly.

Sorry, I will not add that to my draft unless the database is sufficiently maintained and updated and that database has not been. Besides, again. All should play the hands their dealt. How do we know when a claim is truly of disaster.. and not of intent? That the tech has not been sold? There is also no historical evidence to maintain they ever actually hit that stat. There are to many problems with the data base system. It's antiquated.

You have 5 positions you can be in. 1: You play by IG stats. 2: You play by IG stats, with a formal tech sharing agreement. (a link to the tech sharing agreement is required to prevent false claims.) 3: You are a part of a Merged nation. Your tech is the average of the IG techs of the mergees. (a link to the merger roleplay is required to prevent false claims.) 4: You have had your data recorded on the database, but suffered a IG loss in stats. You must roleplay your decline to your new IG stat level in 2 weeks to 4 weeks unless you can recover. What you do recover to in that time, becomes your new roleplay tech level. You may continue to participate in tech sharing, but the levels of technology must adjust based on this decline immediately as partner's equipment breaks down if you are a supplier. If you are a receiver of tech sharing, then you must re-calculate your benefit from the sharing equation and roleplay based on your new technology level. If the technology level does not exceed 100 then the change does not need to be noted.. (this is for tech trading purposes in game). 5: You have suffered both a IG and RP loss of tech. You play to your new, lower IG stats. Tech sharing formula from LVN's thread: RPtech = IGtech + 0.25 * ( Highest sharer tech - IGtech ) Merged Tech Formula: RPtech = (Technology level for nation A + technology level for nation B +.......)/(# of merged nations) Proposed modified version. (Final Draft)

Actually, point 4 needs adjusted. When there is an IG loss in tech, players should rp the loss in tech over a period of time of 2 weeks to a month unless they can recover. Using the database as a protective shield to cover yourself from the same woes everyone else in the game goes through from time to time is getting old. Otherwise.. there's no reason I shouldn't shoot my tech to 9000 and then sell it off again and play at 9000 tech for the rest of eternity. You see my point in why I feel this needs be done? Besides. That data base is shoddy.. and poorly maintained. I posted my stats like a month back and it still isn't in there. Call it a plague, call it an insurrection, call it "brain drain" from economic conditions.. but find a reason for your tech falling and play it instead of trying to warlord when you don't have it.

So my understanding his he and Brian Remier Merged.. if this is correct, then it should be an average of technology at best.. not an addition of technology as one country is under-funded on tech and the other at a surplus. I calculate Marten's tech basedon IG stats should be at most 1750. This is better than tech sharing allows due to integration. Fair rules: Any independent nation should solely use their IG tech. Sharing should be based on the tech sharing formula, that has a link to it in my signature; due to select technology sales. Integrated nations/states should use the average of their in-game technologies.

If there is tech sharing occurring, there should also be an official treaty and a link to it provisioned in a fact-book about the nation as is in my signature. That way people know you are not "pulling it out your nose." so to speak. As it is, I would have no idea what's keeping Marten's tech up.

Registered Diplomats Player ----- Nation -----Foreign Diplomat-----Embassy Status-----Dragonisian Diplomat Assigned Triyun-----UFE-----#####-----Mutual-----Tom Clark Ranathear-----Principality of Novorossiysk-----Ilyiev Salem-----Mutual-----Tom Clark Lavo-----Rebel Army-----Adam Gold-----Mutual-----Tom Clark Margrave-----The Oceanic Confederation----Lady Erica Fischer-----Mutual-----Tom Clark Silhouette-----New Cymru-----Flight Lieutenant Patrick Moore-----Mutual-----Tom Clark Rebel Virginia-----Rebel Virginia-----James Murdock-----Mutual-----Tom Clark Sarah Tintagyl-----Hanseatic League----Hannah Assgeirson-----Mutual-----Tom Clark Rotavele-----Kiristan-----Heidi Kopen-----Mutual-----Tom Clark

I favor strictly in game stats with tech sharing permitted and a responsibility to roleplay the cause and effect of the rise and fall of your nation and its diplomatic status. This means.. if I lost my tech treaty with Triyun. I would have to RP all my nice tech gadgets from our shared technology treaty.. breaking down. Or if Triyun lost all his in game tech.. I'd have to compensate to whatever my tech level fell to. I think this is only fair. Unless Martens has a tech sharing treaty with someone to prop his tech up he should be forced to have his nation slide over a period of say.. 2 weeks to a month.. to his current in game tech levels.

The ironic thing was I brought this up like.. half a year ago when I wanted my Dragons in RP.. doing a separate sci-fi forum.. but was told it'd be to burdensome on the boards.

Just because you point at an old RP doesn't make that ethnicity a duplicate of real world Koreans. These are Bob Koreans.. subject to Bob Demographic patterns and changes.. which though similar to earths.. aren't exactly subject to the same rules. If you want reality. Go get elected in S. Korea or find a national command appointment in North Korea, then govern.

Sumeragi: Your statements are not very logically researched. The nationalism of a given fantastic ethnicity in a fantastic world.. is definitely subject to interpretation and definition that is not necessarily within your realm of control. Koreans may not even exist in this world as you know them.

And I definitely back Triyun's statement. Ethnic intolerance based on RL ethnicity is a definitive no-no. Also, relatively ridiculous in a world that even has fictional elasticities.. such as my Dragonisians who were descended from pirates.. >..>

And even if he didn't white-wash Korea, he had the authority to do so.

I'm sorry Sumeragi.. once you lose control of an area.. you have absolutely no say in its future progression in role play. If they chose to eliminate the history of that area and they are the government in control.. re-education can do that. Try to raise a Nazi flag in Germany.. and remember what it was a little over a half-century ago.

I agree with Hawk. Bob is Bob, not Earth. There's no requirement to use pre-existing underlying cultures. I mean.. otherwise.. what would the countries in Antartica and the Arctic do? RP polar bears? Lets get a grip folks with the fact this is a fantasy board based on a realistic representation of earth, not a duplication. I'm not going to be angry because someone wiped Kentuckians and any reference to Kentucky off the face of the map. That would be childish and utterly non-sensical.

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