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Damn caliph, are you just trying to make up for methrage being quiet lately or what?

Oh no. Someone that willfully made themselves our enemy and now complains about having to take responsibility for it might not be our fwiend going forward. Time to shut this all down.

Full democracy works great for Cowboys.

They get as much say as they've got the backbone to keep pushing until they get terms they find acceptable. This idea we were 'sposda run around setting loose a nation that joined an alliance strictly to hit one of us while we're engaged in a wider war is just dopey as all get out and it will continue to be.

You went rogue. You deserved further terms for going rogue. That's the whole story. I have no idea what circlejerk you were a part of years ago and I don't make it my business to find out.

To be fair, DoorNail refused surrender, no reentry on behalf of lord only knows whom.

"not white peace" = "reps" is a false equivalency in any case. It really doesn't matter if Caliph is this holy being that's never partaken in the wider aspects of CN terms. Even the most "moral" of alliances here post karma usually had loopholes in their rules for terms for things like bandwagoners, rogues, or alliances that start aggressive wars against them for lame reasons.

There's some really dopey assumptions being made here tbh. The glaring one is just because an alliance that has expressed no interest in peace isn't being offered white peace means that the intent is to charge them reps. Or that a peace other than white peace automatically equals reps. It's all coming off as emotional and not terribly grounded in anything the world the rest of us have been in since Karma has had to offer.

Were you involved in some special wars no one else was, or were you a hippy the entire time?

Ok let's just go through the big ones. Bipolar - ended with a ton of reps PB-NpO/DH-NPO - definitely did not end in white peace. NpO was made to adhere to aid restrictions for a period of one month. TOOL were forced to pay 26000 tech. NPO and a bunch of its allies were slapped with a whole bunch of terms, including reps, extended war, and a 6 month ODP between DH and NPO. DT were forced to pay a big pile of reps. Grudge War- reps were charged. Dave War - MCXA was given terms that included extended war for some of its nations. Equilibrium War - terms essentially amounted to white peace only because the winning coalition fell apart when some attempted to impose extended war terms on Umbrella Disorder War - NPO were forced to adhere to aid restrictions for nations that were in peace mode. Doom War - Probably mostly resulted in white peace, someone that lost will be along shortly to tell me that's wrong I'm sure. That's arguably 2 out of 7. Not most by a longshot. Maybe you can go through and find all the micro wars that support your statement, but I doubt it.

What years are you even talking about? The only war I can even think of that was all white peace was Eq and that was more due to stalemate than some glorious surge of morality.

Move fast - I'm at low nukes right now.

How very dare Oculus pursue war alliances it is at war with and refuse any kind of acceptable peace!

We did wait a day. Turns out it was a day longer than we should have bothered to wait and TSC had their minds made up already.

The comparisons to FAN and \m/ are amusing as all get out. Are you ok Caliph?

That doesn't answer my question at all. Go back and try again?

Oh I didn't mean just you. Haflinger seems to want us to attack them.

What does LC have against DBDC, anyway?

We held a vote on being at war with SPaTR and MONGOLS 5 months ago. Everyone has to respect votes!

TSC's commitment to democracy didn't extend to things like accepting nations at war with us or subsequently declaring war on us, so that narrative can drop dead.

You're trying too hard.

Actually pursuing wars with nations you are at war with is what decent alliances do. Are we a bit remiss in not keeping him staggered? sure. It doesn't materially change the fact of him being an enemy nation and TSC apparently protecting him. We hit only the nation we are at war with. TSC chose to escalate it.

Accepting a nation at war with an alliance is terrible diplomacy. Protecting them is an act of war. If your goal had just been to bandwagon into a five month old aggressive war against us(as it seems), you couldn't have handled it better.

It's paperless. I highly advise Non Grata avoid telling people what they can and can't do with their paperless treaties or there will be consequences in the future. Maybe not today and maybe not ever, but karma is unstoppable.

Quite honestly, as a community we have this stupid discussion about nonwhite peace terms and how they're only comparable to prekarma hegemony terms every single war. Given that things have degenerated to the point that "exit the war and don't continue to attack us for the rest of the war" is considered abusive, it's a bit difficult not to see this slope as having been a little too slippery. That said, everyone has either played a part in enforcing nonwhite peace terms, or has supported imposing them and wasn't able to follow through, or is a wuss at this point.