Ivan Moldavi
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I am reading this crap that is coming out of FAN and it's making me sick. I find it offensive that you would even suggest that Moo is a tyrant, or that we would want to remove him. And it's not just me, we all feel this way.
Do not let the small minded get you down. Those in Pacifica know the truth, we only speak out here so that we can show the rest of the Cyberverse the same and show the charlatans for what they are.
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I can play that game. I say you are incorrect, without question of course. Ivan, statements such as that just make you look ridiculous to say the least.
No.
You see, the vast difference between you and me is that I matter, and you don't. If I say something here in the Cyberverse then it becomes Truth, even if it isn't exactly so the moment before it leaves my lips.
If you say it, who cares?
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Explain how this is not a tyranny.
If the only way for him to go is either a Coup or to step down at his own will, how is this not a tyranny?
Because the membership allows it to be so.
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That is your version of the story, as I said I assumed you would be disagreeing. Thus their is no real reason for you to post this. I know what you consider to be the truth. I however do not acknowledge it as such.
Then you are, quite simply, incorrect. If I say it is the Truth then it is, without question.
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Oh, I forget. Membership needs to Coup d'état to move him out right?
Why would such a thing be needed? When the time is right for TrotskysRevenge to step down as Emperor he will do so for the benefit of the alliance.
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The "protectorate" that you speak of was in violation of the terms of said protection status.
If I get arrested for driving 125 in a 55 mph zone I am not immune to the justice system because I passed my driver's test and got my license.
In order for the protectorate status to be maintained there were clear and simple rules to follow. Large percentages of FAN decided not to do so, therefore their status as a protectorate became null and void.
That arguement is pointless and baseless. You can't claim dishonor when you speak from a position of breaking the agreement that led to the conflict.
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Then why does Moo hold to his position of power so tightly? But thats not tyrannical at all, no.
That was an illogical progression.
The membership doesn't exist because he rules as Emperor, he rules because the membership allows him the honor of serving in that capacity.
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But let me guess, Pacificans, one after the other, are all top of the line exceptional. Correct?
If they were not then they wouldn't be Pacifican. Correct?
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I do not believe FAN to be led by "crybabies" as their leadership consists of some of the more exceptional strategists and hardliners in the Cyberverse, but once you get passed the core group that has been around since the very beginning things get a little iffy in my opinion.
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I guess it is a good thing you are posting in a popularity contest thread to tell eveyone that.
FWIW - these forums would be a dull place indeed without NPO and the rest of the Toilet Seat hangers-on to liven up the joint with bloated pronouncements and not-so-subtle veiled threats against dissenting posters. "I'm lovin' it!"©
It is a response to those that look at the poll and see that 300+ people have voted that we should disappear and for some odd reason believe that to be some twisted mandate that pushes we should actually do so.
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Then why the trolling the NPO does and claiming you are honourable?
Is that actually a complete thought?
The NPO does not troll. I know there are some individuals within the Order that consider themselves experts at doing so but as a whole the NPO is a noble alliance that can carry on any arguement without resulting to trolling.
If I insult you, it is because I don't care for you or you are incompetent. It has nothing to do with any potential character flaw within myself, it is solely because you are inadequate. The same is true for the Order as a whole in its dealings.
Honor has nothing to do with demeanor. I believe you confuse the two. I am honorable, but I am not nice. Don't ever consider the two synonyms.
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they seem to have an opinion about everyone else...
Indeed.
Was there a subtle jab in there that I should have picked up on? Not sure. Seems like a perfectly reasonable statement but considering the comments overall one has to wonder.
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I guess it is a good thing the Order has never cared for popularity contests.
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Just to make it clear.
My signature is there because I find it particularly repugnant that NPO attacked unarmed POWs. Particularly repugnant since I took great pride in FAN's defense of POWs throughout our history, especially the Legion POWs. We did not ambush the entire unarmed Legion for terms violations, we were more concerned with defending them from profiteers who saw easy targets. If there were Legion violators, we worked with Legion leaders to resolve it and if they were not resolved, punished the non-compliant nation with prior notice to Legion.
THAT is what the FAN 'you fought alongside' did. Our ideals have never changed. We didn't mock POWs who were attacked or ignore their pleas, we went after their killers tooth and nail.
FAN does not attack helpless POWs, NPO attacks helpless POWs.
Just to make it clear.
The NPO doesn't take prisoners. They eat our surplus food and tax our resources. We put them down.
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I can think of only one thing that Francos Spain did that I would consider a worthy use of his time.
It was not a reference to Francos Spain. Francos Spain never ruled the NPO in the Cyberverse.
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So what you are saying is - for the purposes of this discussion which has nothing to do with the culture, history, or hubris of the New Pacific Order - that you are irrelevant??
Delicious.
If I am irrelevant why do so many people still come to see my posts and respond? If I am nothing then treat me as nothing, as I treat you.
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I do not believe is he is speaking of Moo. I believe Bay was speaking of The orders tyranny over CN and referring the The Order itself as being the dictator and as a singular entity like members of the order like to point out so much.
What is funny is the fact that the NPO keeps yelling Francoism yet it seems that they are going against its very principles and becoming userites themselves. That quote is from Cnwiki. It would seem that the orders have use the exploitation and the manipulation of many alliances in CN to come to the power that they now hold. This has been further shown throughout the last year with their use and discarding of allies. VE, Goons, etc.
Now to get back on topic
The counter offensive has been successful so far and there have been a few that have actually hit the nail on the head and have figured things out so far. Let's see who can figure out who they were.
Sometimes the jackboots only hit pavement...sometimes.
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So, right now, Moo is over or under you?
Moo is the Emperor of the New Pacific Order. I serve the Order, he is the leader. The equation is simple enough. My official position is that of advisor on all levels, plus a departmental job that I took upon myself a short time ago, but beyond that I am nothing more than a fossil in the halls of Pacifica. I am not the leader, nor do I seek to be so. I am considered an authority on our culture, history and hubris but aside from that I do not speak on behalf of the Order diplomatically.
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Coup d'état, interesting means of holding elections.
Indeed. I was couped. Luckily it was by the very person that I had previously named as Dilber's successor (in his absence) and by the person that I had named as my Regent during my brief tenure so there really wasn't a huge shift in policy or direction (albiet GOONS gained a short reprive).
Shall we play round robin with this off topic discussion of my brief return to the throne again? Seems a poor distraction method, surely you can do better.
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tyranny
So, because I don't know all that much about the NPO government, then I am to assume that Moo has been wining election after election?
I won election to the position of Emperor and I named both Dilber and Moo into their respective roles, so you can consider it heriditary election if you like.
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I have done a few things for honor.
Aside from that, being superior and sharing that enlightenment with the masses will undoubtedly lead to jealousy. I'm sorry for your deficiency.
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The Order is not a tyranny. There is no tyrant in control. There may have been once upon a time but his time has passed and even then he did nothing unless he believed it to be best for the Order and Pacifica as a whole.
Those that lead in the Order are the first on the field of battle, they send men, tanks and planes to die and suffer just as any other member does. Leadership means service. Service to something greater than ego, greater than self. These principles are paramount.
No one that joins the Order is ever held back, ever forced into something he or she does not wish. Those that speak of the Order as a tyranny know nothing of Pacifica.
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I amazes me how many people take this mindless drivel "we are always right" crap seriously.
I am 100% certain that everyone in the orders have lost all ability to think for them selves now.
It amazes me how often footnotes on our history make comments like this.
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This has to be the single-most arrogant post I've ever read here. I'd expect this from a cult leader, but not from someone I thought was sane. You can't seriously believe this can you? So if you think that 1+1=3 then it has to be right just because you think it is? How is anyone to trust an alliance who believes it can do no wrong? And when you declare war on someone why do you state the reasons. All you need to say is, "because we are always right."
Well you just made my sig. Congrats I guess (in the way that tub girl was made famous).
If you think this is arrogant you should read more of my posts, this is just common honestly.
To be frank, if I say 1+1=3 then it does for all practical purposes as it pertains to the Cyberverse.
Aren't you a member of the Orders? Such positioning and thought are your birthright, don't squander it to appease the masses.
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Odd. I believed from your comment that you knew something of our Founder. You said something about one act that he committed. Perhaps you mispoke?
Our Founder never made it to these shores, though we carry his legacy ever forward.