Rebuilding Procinctia? White Cross spin off thread

[Generalissimo]

At the White Cross international headquarters a meeting was taking place that could decide Procinctia’s future.

OOC: A spin off thread of White Cross Voting Forums from Subtleknifewielder's request.

Our story so far…

Suddenly, the Promised Land delegate gets a transmission. Upon reading it, he facepalms.

"It has come to my attention that while we are going around helping those who have fallen...we have neglected one very damaged, nearly obliterated nation. The Nation of Procinctia, which fell long before many of us were even nations, is still suffering as a nuclear wasteland, and those of its citizens who survive are living in cramped, underground bunkers. It is my government's belief, and my own, personally, that the time has come to rectify this situation."

"Indeed. For long enough, they have lived in ruins and wastelands. Let us rebuild their country."

Though this would go against protocol of the actual methodology of the White Cross in dispensing aid, Procinctia's situation is much more severe that any problem that this organization has ever encountered. Because of this, I would like to suggest passing an emergency referendum for aid to be automatically sent to Procinctia, therefore their leaders do not have to request aid and I would also like to suggest for this individual assignment that if a nation can lend a small amount of more aid that is normally given would have my and the organization's eternal blessings. I personally will oversee the beginning of this project in Procinctia and hopefully we all can return them to the world stage again.

Aye for Proctincia

Andonia votes an emphatic aye to Proctinictia.

Yes for the aid, but we can not donate extra money right now.

Add an "Aye" for The Vatican.

Yes on Proctinictia.

Promised Land will of course lend any additional aid that may be necessary, be it food, medical supplies, or even militarily, as there is a rather destructive legacy still left behind from the invaders who did this to them.

We vote "Yes" for the aid to Procintia.

[Generalissimo]

Promised Land has always been one of the White Cross's greatest supporters, however I as you not to end military personnel or military arms to the Procintian government, that is strictly against regulations. Our deepest concern is, yes to restore nations to their former glory before destruction, but this also requires us to install their ideas of a world at peace in their hearts and will military arms being sent, the nation that they could attack, it would have dire results for our organization. Therefore, I must respectfully ask you to cease from sending any aid concerning the military.

You misunderstand our intentions. the ocean around them is filled with mines--their land is riddled with radiation and booby-traps. The military would not be to force anyone to do anything, but be rather a necessary form of protection for aid workers.

Ah, well that we can understand, I indeed misinterpreted what you mean and in that case Promised Land is more than welcomed to send military personnel to act as a protection force for our workers. The Hansa will send some contingent of troops as well, though I will say this to all nations, that this is not required of you, only a special circumstance.

Procinctia wasn’t really nuked, per se, our small island was merely carpet bombed for several days with (relatively) low-radiation bunker busters. Saint Paul Island is mostly uninhabitable not from radiation as commonly believed but from petroleum contamination from a near month of constant napalm drops and the destruction of Saint Paul City’s oil refineries combined with additional ambient contamination from industrial pollution from the destruction of our industry. The seas immediately north of St. Paul still burn as what little remains of the oil reserves leak into Bering might also have something to do with it.

Not that any of this is a problem, we’re doing just fine really.

Any hypothetical Procinctian reconstruction would also have to overcome what could only be considered a deathtrap. The Republic of War was kind enough to leave behind automated gun turrets that will target anything larger than a cat. Landmines are prolific, especially nasty are the RoW proximity mines, especially hindering travel are the magnetic mines carpeting any potential helicopter or aircraft landing site. Just getting to the island would be unpleasant with the unprecedented quantity of naval mines and the burning sea north of the island.

Procinctia hasn’t requested aid yet, nor do we really think we need it, I’m sure this will just work itself out. . . somehow. Let’s say we did need help, how does anyone suggest we receive it?

Oh, and the depleted uranium, you might want to look into that. I don’t know for sure the health concerns, but the Republic of War put enough into Saint Paul for Procinctia to export the stuff.

However bad things might look topside, we’ve reached a level of survivability. . . er . . . [pause] sustainability to continue to maintain our nation.

[Generalissimo]

The burning seas can be put out with effort, the mines in them can be dealt with with minesweepers, and HAZMAT suits will protect from hazerdous materials and radiation. Once we can actually reach the land, that is where our military forces will come into play. Few booby traps iare undetectable, so long as one is forewarned of them.

Yes, we realize it will be a loing and dangerous process...but it CAN be done!

And should be done. Generalissimo, we realize your people have reached a level of--sustainability, as you put it, but that is not enough. No one should be forced to live under the conditions your people have to.

Now, I believe the proposal has met with a more than adequate number of approving votes. Shall we set forward with it? First we must clear the seas surrounding Proctinctia of their dangers.

Emergency Referendum for Proctincia

Aye: 9

Nay: 0

Abstain: 0

[Subtleknifewielder]

OOC: Let's hope this isn't put off by the war in Europe...

[Generalissimo]

"Procinctia doesn’t require financial aid from the White Cross or anyone else, we have money, that’s not the problem. Even lacking an economy without domestic, government, or military expenditures we had as much money as we’ve ever had *exaggeration*. What we haven’t been able to do is turn our assets into reclamation of the island, every model and analysis we’ve conducted concludes the island won’t be safe for reclamation for decades; we hope our analysis, conclusions, data, methodology, and technology is somehow flawed or inferior. We’ve also commissioned Dragonisia to conduct a (re)habitation survey of the island, and their scientists are currently analyzing satellite information, but they haven’t come across anything promising yet.

Promised Land’s proposal is intriguing, but unless the unless the White Cross has a more fleshed out plan this is parlor conjecture.

It’s not worth getting White Cross volunteers killed over, the island is a deathtrap, whatever the precaution I can’t see an aid mission without casualty. There’s enough innocent blood on my hands, I don’t want to be responsible for any more deaths."

Generalissimo attempted to change the topic, less the combined assembly scrutinize his island further.

"With the war in Europe they'll probably need it more than us, we're stable, post war Europe won't be."

OOC: Let's hope this isn't put off by the war in Europe...

See, added the Europe war into the RP, easy as tripping a landmine. Edited April 8, 2009 by Generalissimo

[Lynneth]

"Canada would happily help Procinctia in making the islands safe again. We have ABC-transports that are armored well enough to survive an RPG-round and shrug off sustained small arms firing.

We can certainly disable this 'deathtrap' as you call it."

[Subtleknifewielder]

"Procinctia doesn't require financial aid from the White Cross or anyone else, we have money, that's not the problem. Even lacking an economy without domestic, government, or military expenditures we had as much money as we've ever had *exaggeration*. What we haven't been able to do is turn our assets into reclamation of the island, every model and analysis we've conducted concludes the island won't be safe for reclamation for decades; we hope our analysis, conclusions, data, methodology, and technology is somehow flawed or inferior. We've also commissioned Dragonisia to conduct a (re)habitation survey of the island, and their scientists are currently analyzing satellite information, but they haven't come across anything promising yet.

Promised Land's proposal is intriguing, but unless the unless the White Cross has a more fleshed out plan this is parlor conjecture.

It's not worth getting White Cross volunteers killed over, the island is a deathtrap, whatever the precaution I can't see an aid mission without casualty. There's enough innocent blood on my hands, I don't want to be responsible for any more deaths."

Generalissimo attempted to change the topic, less the combined assembly scrutinize his island further.

"With the war in Europe they'll probably need it more than us, we're stable, post war Europe won't be."

See, added the Europe war into the RP, easy as tripping a landmine.

OOC: Nicely done...

IC: Nonsense. We will help you in whatever way we are capable. Every single person who comes will be a volunteer.

"Canada would happily help Procinctia in making the islands safe again. We have ABC-transports that are armored well enough to survive an RPG-round and shrug off sustained small arms firing.

We can certainly disable this 'deathtrap' as you call it."

First, the naval mines and burning seas will need to be dealt with. What do you have in the way of minesweepers?

We ourselves feel capable of fighting the fire, if we can get to it...

[freakwars]

In my opinion the automated turrets are being downplayed too much. How are we going to deal with them?

Edited April 8, 2009 by freakwars

[Subtleknifewielder]

In my opinion the automated turrets are being downplayed too much. How are we going to deal with them?

it's not them we have to worry about so much. Armored vehicles can take care of protection there. However, Land Mines must be cleared before the vehicles can safely pass.

[Subtleknifewielder]

Even as the discussion continued, a transport full of volunteers was loading for departure. It would be escorted by a destroyer and a military transport, and would carry not only volunteers, but several helicopters to help combat the fire.

[Ranather]

"Though I am not a member of the White Cross, I have great respect for Procintcia and would be more than willing to send what aid I can, from my personal coffers if necessary."

Lord-Prince Ranather Rukia

[Subtleknifewielder]

OOC: is anyone but me going to actually Rp their preparations?

IC: We would be glad of the help from any nation that chooses to give it.

[Generalissimo]

You’re not going to give up are you? Your resolve is now my resolve, I just needed a fresh perspective. I spent so much time surviving the wasteland I gave up trying to defeat it. I can’t thank all of you enough, but make no mistake this will be greatest single trial this organization has faced yet.

In my opinion the automated turrets are being downplayed too much. How are we going to deal with them?

it's not them we have to worry about so much. Armored vehicles can take care of protection there. However, Land Mines must be cleared before the vehicles can safely pass.

"Canada would happily help Procinctia in making the islands safe again. We have ABC-transports that are armored well enough to survive an RPG-round and shrug off sustained small arms firing.

We can certainly disable this 'deathtrap' as you call it."

Assuming you can get said armored transports to the island, there currently aren’t any landing sights cleared on the island, but with our combined intellect and strength I’m sure we can overcome this minor obstacle.

Even as the discussion continued, a transport full of volunteers was loading for departure. It would be escorted by a destroyer and a military transport…

You might want to wait on moving transports anywhere near the island until we do something about the mines. Dragonisian report puts the number of naval mines over two hundred thousand in the Saint Paul-Saint Peter corridor alone, but the Promise Land representative did say something about minesweepers.

…but several helicopters to help combat the fire.

That’s not going to work, and I really don’t think I’ll maintain all of your support when I tell you why. Edited April 9, 2009 by Generalissimo

[Sargun II]

OOC: Generalissimo, could you get me a link to when these automated turrets and mines were placed?

[Generalissimo]

Generalissimo nervously bit into his cigar internally debating revealing possibly incriminating intelligence to the White Cross assembly.

“The burning Sea is no accident, I am entirely responsible. Operation Sedna’s Shield, after the Republic’s coalition landed their troops and moved their vessels into a support position I intentionally ignited our oil reserves. Whatever you may have heard about an “oil spill” was entirely fabricated, and the RoW knew. In what followed only one vessel was destroyed but it roasted the crews of more than half of the Republic of War Navy to death, they swore to make Saint Paul uninhabitable. . . and they succeeded."

Out of Character: The British had planned to deploy floating petroleum on the sea and igniting it during the Second World War, so I way using Second World War technology. Considering the Bering Sea is full of oil, it was my nation’s resource at the time, and Saint Paul Island isn’t very large it was entirely plausible (plus this was preCNRP, there were no rule's against it, but I intend to play the disastrous results of such an ill conceived action).

OOC: Generalissimo, could you get me a link to when these automated turrets and mines were placed?

My nation didn’t exist after the Second Procinctia-Republic War, I’m just tying up lose ends, and unlike everyone else I’m making my reconstruction as difficult as humanly possible.

The naval and landmines come from the Second Procinctia-Republic War in early ‘08 from both sides

The Automated Turrets’s first appeared in my reemergence thread and are based on the Samsung’s existing Intelligent Surveillance and Guard Robot.

List threads relevant to Procinctia’s current state, in no particular order, have fun.

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=10161

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=3349

http://z15.invisionfree.com/Cyber_Nations/...showtopic=74430

http://z15.invisionfree.com/Cyber_Nations/...showtopic=79091

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?s...mp;#entry178493

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=46449

Edited April 9, 2009 by Generalissimo

[Lynneth]

Because of the current war, we can only deploy minimal resources to freeing the bering islands from the firestorm and deadly defenses, but once the war is over, we will send much more to help.

Currently, some transports with APCs are on the way, as well as three ships specialised in filtering oil out of sea water.

[Subtleknifewielder]

You might want to wait on moving transports anywhere near the island until we do something about the mines. Dragonisian report puts the number of naval mines over two hundred thousand in the Saint Paul-Saint Peter corridor alone, but the Promise Land representative did say something about minesweepers.

That's not going to work, and I really don't think I'll maintain all of your support when I tell you why.

"Don't worry, the transports are merely getting ready for when they do set off.

The helicopters won't work? OK, we'll let the Canadians deal with the oil. We, instead, will be sending two minesweepers. We would send more, but for the same reason as the Canadians we cannot send more at this time.

[Generalissimo]

“I’ve just though of something, I propose we deploy two teams to Saint Paul before putting the armored vehicles into play.

One to clear a landing site, and a second team to reconnoiter the interior of the island.

The survey team will require the assistance of someone with intimate knowledge of the island, someone who regularly resides in the wasteland, someone who has written a book on the subject.”

Out Of Character: It shouldn’t be hard to figure out who Generalissimo is talking about.

[Subtleknifewielder]

"I've just though of something, I propose we deploy two teams to Saint Paul before putting the armored vehicles into play.

One to clear a landing site, and a second team to reconnoiter the interior of the island.

The survey team will require the assistance of someone with intimate knowledge of the island, someone who regularly resides in the wasteland, someone who has written a book on the subject."

Out Of Character: It shouldn't be hard to figure out who Generalissimo is talking about.

OOC: Indeed...

IC: Where oh where would we find anyone with such knowledge? Hmm...the only one we can recall easily would be...you, Generalissimo.

And considering you are the one most familiar with the place, your recommendations must be taken under serious consideration for this expedition.

[Generalissimo]

"The Canadian armor would barely make it to shore without a landing area, aside from the anti-vehicle mines the coast is the safest part of the island. A single team of explosive removal experts could clear a beachhead in a week, perhaps less if they were extremely dedicated or skilled.

Mines withstanding I can’t be entirely certain what threats exist for vehicles in the Saint Paul City ruins, all my traveling on the island was on foot. That where the survey team comes in. I need about nine to twelve volunteers, and not the usual White Cross humanitarians but battle hardened veterans or experienced survival experts."

[Subtleknifewielder]

"The Canadian armor would barely make it to shore without a landing area, aside from the anti-vehicle mines the coast is the safest part of the island. A single team of explosive removal experts could clear a beachhead in a week, perhaps less if they were extremely dedicated or skilled.

Mines withstanding I can't be entirely certain what threats exist for vehicles in the Saint Paul City ruins, all my traveling on the island was on foot. That where the survey team comes in. I need about nine to twelve volunteers, and not the usual White Cross humanitarians but battle hardened veterans or experienced survival experts."

"Rest assured, those we send will know what they are doing. All will be as qualified as they can be for this situation."

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Indeed, the survey team would be a hand-picked group of elite troops, trained in many methods of battle and survival.

[Lynneth]

OOC: Sorry, but I currently don't feel much like RPing this stuff. Subtle and Generalissimo, feel free to use what I have sent - some transports, oil-cleaners, etc, the usual.

[Subtleknifewielder]

OOC: Sorry, but I currently don't feel much like RPing this stuff. Subtle and Generalissimo, feel free to use what I have sent - some transports, oil-cleaners, etc, the usual.

OOC: Would it help if we could get more people involved?

[Generalissimo]

“It’s settled then, what are we waiting for? I’ll brief your men as soon as I get from this meeting to the Canadian transport in the Bering. If it’s not to much to ask, is anyone willing to lend a helicopter? I might also need someone to cover for me here.”

Out of Character: Generalissimo needs to get from the White Cross building in Brisbane to the staging area in the Bering Sea.

OOC: Would it help if we could get more people involved?

Very much so, the more the merrier right? Edited April 11, 2009 by Generalissimo

[Subtleknifewielder]

"It's settled then, what are we waiting for? I'll brief your men as soon as I get from this meeting to the Canadian transport in the Bering. If it's not to much to ask, is anyone willing to lend a helicopter? I might also need someone to cover for me here."

Out of Character: Generalissimo needs to get from the White Cross building in Brisbane to the staging area in the Bering Sea.Very much so, the more the merrier right?

"Cover? In what way would they need to cover for you? In any case, we can send a helicopter to pick you up, and you can depart with our ships."