agafaba

There are plenty of reasons why CN is losing players involving how the game works, the politics, the way players are treated. The fact is the longer you play this game the less fun it becomes and it starts to feel more like a job. Its hard to leave something you invested so much time into but if you let your nation sit too long or if you are completely destroyed in a war its an excuse to get out.

I will admit, I loled.

[quote name='Aimee Mann' timestamp='1286223754' post='2474519'] The original context is irrelevant and has nothing to do with the intended meaning of your image. It's clear where people are finding humour in the image; the vehicle is called the gayroller 2000 and it's rolling over your political enemies. By implication you are calling your enemies straight, as though that's something negative. Heterophobic and bigoted. [/quote] I fixed it for you, based both on comments from future Pandora's box members as well as the original artists intentions.

[quote name='Kowalski' timestamp='1286215331' post='2474322'] Crazy idea - don't reply. [/quote] That advice would make for some really horrible discussions.

When did people get the privilege of naming their own wars? You know... this would be much more entertaining if their combined strength (all 3 alliances) was at least 75k ns. Or if 90% of the NS in all 3 alliances wasnt Andover.

Wow, so a 3rd super tiny alliance joins the fight.

[quote name='nutkase' timestamp='1285663415' post='2466737'] Though that war would not be defined as a global war. [/quote] Well in the last year there hasnt been too many global wars, I just assumed he made a mistake. The last global war according to the wiki [quote]The initial Polar declaration was made on allegations that a member of \m/ made racist comments towards AlmightyGrub, the Emperor of the New Polar Order, when he visited their IRC channel on the SynIRC server to voice his grievances with them over a raid on the Forces of Annihilation. AlmightyGrub, however, stated that the true rationale for the war was neither the racial comments nor the raid; rather, that those were merely examples of a wider "attitude" that he disliked and wished to see punished. This is supported by the fact that \m/ had already apologized for the aforementioned racist remarks before the beginning of the war, though some, especially NpO and its supporters, have questioned the sincerity of the apology as no action was taken against the member responsible other than a verbal reprimand. [/quote] Clearly they claimed \m/ were doing wrong by using OOC insults and general asshattery

Replied, and we are done

[quote name='Mr Damsky' timestamp='1285421790' post='2464249'] I'd take a 1v1 (even a 1v3) vs a 1v20 alliance war any day. And in the past year when has the starting CB of a global war ever been about an alliance "doing wrong". [/quote] The RoK-NSO war jumps to mind. With NSO "doing wrong" by aiding a member at war with a RoK protectorate.

The trade circle is complete, however we lost a member and are now short of our Pigs/Uranium resource. Agafaba - http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=289088 Water Aluminum Vladimar - http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=340035 Lumber Wheat Carthage Empire - http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=11961 Fish Spices Bart99 - http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=322472 Iron Sugar Imaginationland - http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=395020 Cattle Marble taintedxgod - http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=411477 Pigs Uranium Done

[quote name='Choader' timestamp='1285397861' post='2464079'] Forgive my stupidity then, but since when has a gather intel mission on an unaligned nation been an [size="4"][color="#FF0000"]Act of War[/color][/size] absolving a nation of any aggression past and present? These are some funny precedents you're trying to set. [/quote] The only reason the precedent was set that everyone can do anything to an unaligned back when people realized they didnt have anyone who could say otherwise. Not everyone agrees with the "do what you want and if they retaliate they are rogues" mentality. (as for him aiding Methrage making him a rogue or not is a different matter) Also Methrage had his AA for over 4 months, he was the leader of an alliance before he was warring GOONS.

[quote name='nippy' timestamp='1285401009' post='2464127'] Yes, but my advice to him was to not make solid assumptions based upon a single thread. There is too much bias in the OP to base one's sole opinion of an alliance on. Also, I've never understood the 'hiding within your alliance' comment. Nation leaders find comfort in the protection that an alliance provides while they grow their nation. In order to get used to the political climate, one must participate in it. To participate in it without being in an alliance would draw attention to one's self and be quite foolish. [/quote] He is in the NpO according to your post, so why does he need to be afraid of drawing attention. This thread isnt risky for anyone to post in unless you plan on aiding Methrage. As for bias, of course, every thread has a lot of bias, and the question was what effect this thread in particular has on opinions of GOONS. This is a great thread for new people, low risk while still having all the bias, mudslinging and arguing thats in nearly every OWF related discussion.

[quote name='nippy' timestamp='1285361204' post='2463560'] Ding. Ding, ding. An appropriate response would have been none at all, considering the fact that you know nothing about us, nor about the self-important person that produced the fecal mass that is the OP. You're already in the NpO, apparently, so unless they have some sort of forced mentality course you have to attend as a new member, I suggest you spend a bit more time getting a hang of the political climate here. Thanks. [/quote] To be fair he replied to a question about how this thread affected people if at all, and he started his post by saying his only experience was this thread. Besides hiding in your alliance is no way to get used to the political climate.

[quote name='Mandolus' timestamp='1285299151' post='2462961'] Just curious. Did this thread convince anyone of anything besides the fact that Schattenmann likes to type a whole lot? No, I'm not talking about you perpetual GOONS haters who will naysay us regardless of the circumstances. You know who you are. I'm talking about fence sitters, or people who like GOONS. Did this massive wall of words change your mind to the anti-GOONS camp? Did it even make you reconsider your feelings toward us for a moment? [/quote] To be honest it showed me 2 things, that GOONS possibly had one of the worst track records in CN history as far as bad raids go, and that you finally seem to be doing something about it. So... Boo GOONS o/ GOONS

[quote name='Umar ibn Abd al-Aziz' timestamp='1285294013' post='2462875'] You could consider that the NS you and I will be shedding in the coming days was really just a deferral of what would have happened if we'd both stayed in TOP. It's amusingly ironic that two ex-TOPpers who largely avoided the beat-down that our former colleagues received in the last war are going to be beating each other to a pulp 1/2 a year down the track [/quote] There can be only one!