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Truth Nation: Kendrick Lamar

Captain Marin

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Gosh, where do I even begin?

Kendrick Lamar looks like an idiotic pinheaded 5'4 person whose face has stopped maturing ever since he was 12.

Now that I am done with that and have slayed and exposed the whackness and hypocrisy that is Hopsin one million years ago, I will now slay upon the overrated cliche the Hip Hop world likes to call "Kendrick Lamar". First off, I am going to begin by complementing and extracting the nice features Lamar has since he does deserve it after that controversial verse in "Control" (What's a Big Sean?). I love Lamar's uniqueness and how he mixes a variety of styles into one. I give credibility to his originality since very few rappers seems to be committing such action nowadays. He introduced a different feature the hip-hop world has never ever witnesses and has constructed such a large empire out of it.....up until Good Kid, Mad City dropped (gosh,that album was filled with effortless wordplay, weak beats, and corny hooks). I believe that Section.80 is a masterpiece and Lamar should've never signed to Aftermath Entertainment. His Control verse went total boss, but there are some bugs needed to be fixed (those bugs are going to be explained in just a minute).

But the truth of the matter is, folks, that Kendrick receives a wee-bit too much credibility than he actually deserves for a rapper this young in the rap game. I absolutely awe in irony whenever someone claims that Lamar IS the future of hip-hop and that Lamar IS the best rapper alive and the he delivers the best lyricism when in reality, he is just as whack as those swag fack rappers you hear on the radio.

Why, you ask?

Kendrick Lamar mostly rhymes with words that are 1-2 syllables. His raps merely depend on the end line and does not commit to anything special within the line. All of Kendrick Lamar's songs are specifically like this.

I’m standing in a field full of land mines, doing the moonwalk hoping I blow up in time

I’m 23 with morals and plans of living cordial, not rich but wealthy, there’s nothing you can tell me

I tell you motha$%&@ers that life is full of hydraulics, Ups and downs, get a 6-4 better know how to drive it

I know to follow Him instead of following people or follow vanity, cause that means I’m following evil, guess I’m following evil, I shall follow

cathedral, blessings I need but live like I don’t need You

I tell my !@#$%* ‘front me, let me put it on the strip’, then give it back when I think about the consequence

Tell Wayne to swallow his pride , yall !@#$%* talking that jive

That kind of style really bugs and bores the hell out of me. Yes, there are indeed times where his wordplay is great, but most of the time, his format of lyricism and flow really are just as the same as those I have pointed out.

If your raps depend on end lines (lines that only rhyme with the word at the end of the line), then writing a rap verse is so $%&@in easy which really eliminates the challenge and the beauty of rap.

For example:

I be in the club drinkin alcohol !@#$/

Then I turn around and $%&@ on this !@#$%*/

Now, let us use STRATEGY to improve this line:

Walk into the club, gobbling bottle after bottle/

Talk like I dont give a $%&@, vommitin the !@#$% of this model/

See the difference? The last one has a different flow that really becomes fresh and anew, but it is really difficult trying to write it so :P .

Not to mention the really annoying same-word rhyming scheme -_- . Example? The epic (as most would say) "Control" Verse.

I got love for you all but I'm tryna murder you !@#$%*

Tryna make sure your core fans never heard of you !@#$%*

They dont wanna hear not one more noun or verb from u !@#$%*

I got love for you all but I'm tryna murder you !@#$%*

Tryna make sure your core fans never heard of you !@#$%*

They dont wanna hear not one more noun or verb from u !@#$%*

I got love for you all but I'm tryna murder you !@#$%*

Tryna make sure your core fans never heard of you !@#$%*

They dont wanna hear not one more noun or verb from u !@#$%*

I got love for you all but Im tryna murder you !@#$%*

Tryna make sure your core fans never heard of you !@#$%*

They dont wanna hear not one more noun or verb from you !@#$%*

Those are one of the few "legendary" lines of the oh-so "game-changing" verse. I do get that the passion, flow, and voice of that verse is what made the verse epic, but for the most part, people were not calling that verse as it was supposed to be called; it was instead accused of being lyrical and having a smart wordplay. The only time my ears had an orgasm while listening to a verse of Kendrick's was when he spit his alcapella in Game's song, "The City". In that track, Kendrick flows. Kendrick rhymes with larger words instead of the same old end-rhyme scheme. Kendrick's verse achieved to create a tune for itself that it did not even need to be extorted in a rap song with a beat. If he repeatedly raps like he has in "The City", maybe, just maybe, I will include myself as a fan of Kendrick Lamar and consider him great, but sadly, he does not.

Now that I have outlined that Lamar's lyricism is not that impressive and is the same as that of a swag fack rapper, Lamar is a bit of a hypocrite himself. He does not reach the great bar of hypocrisy as Hopsin has set in the rap world, but he still has set a bar anyhow. In the rap game, it is all about being the best emcee. At first, the emcee's purpose was to support the DJ and rep him as well. As time went by, the emcee started making a name for him/herself, thus rap was born. But rapping was not enough. The emcee was growing simultaneously and there were so many that the emcee had to prove himself the best out of them all, thus beef was born. The one thing you absolutely do not do while dissing someone is contradict/diss yourself. For example,

New !@#$%* just new !@#$%*, dont get involved

Ummm.... Lamar is comparing himself to legends that have stayed relevant to the rap game (mentioned right before this bar in the track) for over ten years then has the nerve to vociferate the up and coming rappers to not get involved in hip-hop when his debut album (or the first album that made Lamar relevant and popular in the rap game) was released in October 22, 2012! If he is insisting for the new, up and coming rappers to not get involved in the rap game, then isn't Kendrick himself supposed to be excluded as well since he does fall into that exact category he disses in the song?

As I have said, I do admire Kendrick Lamar's new take in rap and do believe that he went hard in "Control", but the bad actions he does in the rap game and the immense cocksucking he receives is too much for a guy who is not even as lyrical nor metaphorical nor experienced as everyone claims he is. Deuces.




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You said his lyricism was flawed, went off on a tangent about a song you liked, then said "now that I've proven his lyricism sucks"

Also, you can't be !@#$@#$ serious.

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He was challenging other rappers to come harder and step their game up, because honestly the rappers of our generation are softer than cotton balls. If Kendrick didn't have my respect before he has it now.

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I just heard Hopsin 5's I'll mind not too long ago, is that who you're talking about? I thought he was pretty good.

Anyway, I agree with your points, but come to a different conclusion. Content matters. I can use alliterations and different rhyming schemes all day, but if I'm rapping about something boring and mundane it will not matter one !@#$@#$ bit. Take for instance Tupac. Let's be completely honest, Pac's lyricism was fairly low caliber. The subject matter was extremely deep though, and that (since Grandmaster Flash's The Message) is a staple of good Hip Hop. Who in the game at the moment (again I just now started listening to hospice) is willing to step outside the cars, clothes, weed, hoes mentality and actually take on a big subject. Lupe Fiasco and Talib Kweli are the only ones I can come up with off the top of my head. Nas maybe but he's kind of out the game now. J Cole on the cery rare occasion. I'm sure there are people who I have not heard of that are, but be honest they are few and far between.

Who is willing to actually come out and say "I want to murder you all". I mean just look at Drake-Common and Pusha-Wayne no one is willing to stake their reputation on their rhymes anymore. That is what BUILT Hip Hop. No beef; No hip hop. People forget that is the only reason hip hop exists, and that's why we have such !@#$%* music now. No one is making anything but party songs.

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To be fair to Common and Pusha T, they both got their targets to basically commit what should have been career suicide; Drake apologized and ASKED FOR AN AUTOGRAPH at the NBA All-Star Game after Common made Canada Dry (the Stay Schemin' remix), and Lil Wayne made Ghoulish.

And Pusha still kills YMCMB with rhymes that you can listen to outside of the context of beef. That's what made "Who Shot Ya" a better overall song than "Hit Em Up", the fact that even if it was made about Tupac, you could pretend it wasn't and it'd still be a good song. I'm unsure as to what Biggie's intentions were (and am leaning towards he didn't want to fight with Pac, but it was a case of Pac's paranoia acting up) but he managed to make a song that could be both inflammatory towwards the party it was (or wasn't) meant for and just a good song overall. Check New God Flow for an example of King Push's excellence.

Also, Common dissed Ice Cube back when he was still a crazy mother$%&@er and not a Nickelodeon-level star.

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To be fair to Common and Pusha T, they both got their targets to basically commit what should have been career suicide; Drake apologized and ASKED FOR AN AUTOGRAPH at the NBA All-Star Game after Common made Canada Dry (the Stay Schemin' remix), and Lil Wayne made Ghoulish.

And Pusha still kills YMCMB with rhymes that you can listen to outside of the context of beef. That's what made "Who Shot Ya" a better overall song than "Hit Em Up", the fact that even if it was made about Tupac, you could pretend it wasn't and it'd still be a good song. I'm unsure as to what Biggie's intentions were (and am leaning towards he didn't want to fight with Pac, but it was a case of Pac's paranoia acting up) but he managed to make a song that could be both inflammatory towwards the party it was (or wasn't) meant for and just a good song overall. Check New God Flow for an example of King Push's excellence.

Also, Common dissed Ice Cube back when he was still a crazy mother$%&@er and not a Nickelodeon-level star.

Only cowards sneak diss. If you have a problem with someone, say their name and address it personally.

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If you can get the point across without saying names, you're doing a damn good job. Turning a song into "$%&@ Lil Wayne" will alienate fans. Turning a song into a "hey, look at me be witty about Lil Wayne" is a more enjoyable experience for just about everyone.

You probably think a little tiff between nations should go to war instead of being resolved diplomatically too, right?

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Yes we all know Common dissed Ice Cube, but that's fairly irrelevant.

The "alienating fans" comment is exactly what I'm talking about. Everyone is too afraid to stake their careers on their rhymes.

Agreed, sneak disses are for pussies.

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If you can get the point across without saying names, you're doing a damn good job. Turning a song into "$%&@ Lil Wayne" will alienate fans. Turning a song into a "hey, look at me be witty about Lil Wayne" is a more enjoyable experience for just about everyone.

No. If you can lyrically !@#$%*slap someone and throw their name in there to add insult to injury, you're doing a good job. You're not really impressing anyone by just making subliminal references. It just means you're scared to address the person directly.

It is possible to say $%&@ Lil Wayne and throw in witty insults at the same time. Listen to any of the great diss songs and you'll see what I mean.

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!@#$%*es Ain't !@#$ had one verse. There was one namedrop. hit Em Up isn't great as a song, and if it weren't for East v. West happening at the time, I doubt it would have done anything but polarize Tupac's fanbase.

Ether is great because Nas is just !@#$@#$ Nas.

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!@#$%*es Ain't !@#$ had one verse. There was one namedrop. hit Em Up isn't great as a song, and if it weren't for East v. West happening at the time, I doubt it would have done anything but polarize Tupac's fanbase.

Ether is great because Nas is just !@#$@#$ Nas.

Could you explain how mentioning someone's name in a song would polarize your fan base?

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so if Drake said "$%&@ Kanye" he wouldn't have a good shift in the amount of fans he has?

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so if Drake said "$%&@ Kanye" he wouldn't have a good shift in the amount of fans he has?

No, if anything it would make him more popular. It would make him look better because he actually took it a step further and said Kanye's name. It wouldn't polarize Drake's fans, it would polarize hip-hop fans as a whole. It would be split between Drake fans and Kanye fans

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Drake would lose fans because he's formula successful. His branch of hip-hop is largely successful because of the formula he has followed. His style is largely available because of Kanye. His diss would be weak, by the way, whereas Pusha can make a vibing song and throw in shots without pushing the song into "diss only" territory.

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Drake would lose fans because he's formula successful. His branch of hip-hop is largely successful because of the formula he has followed. His style is largely available because of Kanye. His diss would be weak, by the way, whereas Pusha can make a vibing song and throw in shots without pushing the song into "diss only" territory.

1. Exactly, he would never engage in a heated rivalry with someone because he's scared that the other guy might end his career.

2. Drake is lyrically talented enough that if he really went all out and just ethered someone, that he would earn the respect of hardcore fans while his mainstream fans would still stick by him.

3. Lol @ Pusha T making a vibing song.

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Drake, lyrical? Yeah, no. He's softer than melting butter and he's about as lyrical as Tyga. Big Sean would ether someone before Drake, and he has no interest in beef period.

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Drake, lyrical? Yeah, no. He's softer than melting butter and he's about as lyrical as Tyga. Big Sean would ether someone before Drake, and he has no interest in beef period.

He may not be lyrical on a Nas level, and he may be soft; but he is a talented rapper. Big Sean got ethered on his own song, so yea...

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Big Sean didn't get "ethered"; that was a statement saying "hey, I'm trying to outdo you". If you think making rap a competitive sport is a diss move, you need to get your head examined.

And no, Drake isn't as talented as most say he is at all; he's formula successful. He is following a path many before him have done. He isn't Cudi carving his own flow and niche out in the game, and he isn't Big Sean spinning words around all the time. He isn't Nas with a vast vocabulary, and he isn't Kendrick providing deep content with simple lyrics. He is a basic swag rapper who has gotten big because the South's biggest name decided to endorse him, and he won a Grammy for Best Rap Album That's Really an RnB Album.

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Big Sean didn't get "ethered"; that was a statement saying "hey, I'm trying to outdo you". If you think making rap a competitive sport is a diss move, you need to get your head examined.

And no, Drake isn't as talented as most say he is at all; he's formula successful. He is following a path many before him have done. He isn't Cudi carving his own flow and niche out in the game, and he isn't Big Sean spinning words around all the time. He isn't Nas with a vast vocabulary, and he isn't Kendrick providing deep content with simple lyrics. He is a basic swag rapper who has gotten big because the South's biggest name decided to endorse him, and he won a Grammy for Best Rap Album That's Really an RnB Album.

1. My bad, he got outshined on his own song. You want rap to be a competitive sport, yet you have a problem with rappers dropping names.

2. You could also say the same about Big Sean. He's only famous because he's signed to GOOD Music, and other than Kanye and Common they don't really have anyone else. He's not lyrical in any way, shape, or form; seriously he says the same ad-libs in every song. He sounds like everyone else I hear on the radio.

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Ok so now I've read the rest of your blog and hoping you'll respond to my post. I'm extremely curious as a fan of hip hop like yourself how Em's songs can match up to anything on Section .80 or GKMC. That's not even mentioning Criminal Minded, Straight out of Compton, AmeriKKKas most wanted, Ready to Die, Me Against the World, Reflection Eternal, The Chronic. That's just to name a few. Because if you make a GOAT claim you have to back it up man.

I imagine we will end up diverging on what good Hip Hop is which is fine, but I'm really looking forward to the blog revealing Em's GOAT status. To me, Eminem's songs have always consisted of nothing but rage bottled up for shock value. He is a good battle rapper, but otherwise nothing IMHO.

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nah man eminem is a lyrical wordsmith and not on the same level (at best) as kanye, and the collabs with lil wayne don't always end up in a pop song!

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Only cowards sneak diss. If you have a problem with someone, say their name and address it personally.

You play an online spreadsheet mmorpg. Please do not talk about how hard or soft a rapper is. Kendrick is as boring as Big KRIT. And Danny, Drake, and Future will release the best albums this year because they're the best rappers.

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