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Truth Nation: Kendrick Lamar


Captain Marin

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Gosh, where do I even begin?

Kendrick Lamar looks like an idiotic pinheaded 5'4 person whose face has stopped maturing ever since he was 12.

Now that I am done with that and have slayed and exposed the whackness and hypocrisy that is Hopsin one million years ago, I will now slay upon the overrated cliche the Hip Hop world likes to call "Kendrick Lamar". First off, I am going to begin by complementing and extracting the nice features Lamar has since he does deserve it after that controversial verse in "Control" (What's a Big Sean?). I love Lamar's uniqueness and how he mixes a variety of styles into one. I give credibility to his originality since very few rappers seems to be committing such action nowadays. He introduced a different feature the hip-hop world has never ever witnesses and has constructed such a large empire out of it.....up until Good Kid, Mad City dropped (gosh,that album was filled with effortless wordplay, weak beats, and corny hooks). I believe that Section.80 is a masterpiece and Lamar should've never signed to Aftermath Entertainment. His Control verse went total boss, but there are some bugs needed to be fixed (those bugs are going to be explained in just a minute).

But the truth of the matter is, folks, that Kendrick receives a wee-bit too much credibility than he actually deserves for a rapper this young in the rap game. I absolutely awe in irony whenever someone claims that Lamar IS the future of hip-hop and that Lamar IS the best rapper alive and the he delivers the best lyricism when in reality, he is just as whack as those swag fack rappers you hear on the radio.

Why, you ask?

Kendrick Lamar mostly rhymes with words that are 1-2 syllables. His raps merely depend on the end line and does not commit to anything special within the line. All of Kendrick Lamar's songs are specifically like this.

I’m standing in a field full of land mines, doing the moonwalk hoping I blow up in time

I’m 23 with morals and plans of living cordial, not rich but wealthy, there’s nothing you can tell me

I tell you motha$%&@ers that life is full of hydraulics, Ups and downs, get a 6-4 better know how to drive it

I know to follow Him instead of following people or follow vanity, cause that means I’m following evil, guess I’m following evil, I shall follow

cathedral, blessings I need but live like I don’t need You

I tell my !@#$%* ‘front me, let me put it on the strip’, then give it back when I think about the consequence

Tell Wayne to swallow his pride , yall !@#$%* talking that jive

That kind of style really bugs and bores the hell out of me. Yes, there are indeed times where his wordplay is great, but most of the time, his format of lyricism and flow really are just as the same as those I have pointed out.

If your raps depend on end lines (lines that only rhyme with the word at the end of the line), then writing a rap verse is so $%&@in easy which really eliminates the challenge and the beauty of rap.

For example:

I be in the club drinkin alcohol !@#$/

Then I turn around and $%&@ on this !@#$%*/

Now, let us use STRATEGY to improve this line:

Walk into the club, gobbling bottle after bottle/

Talk like I dont give a $%&@, vommitin the !@#$% of this model/

See the difference? The last one has a different flow that really becomes fresh and anew, but it is really difficult trying to write it so :P .

Not to mention the really annoying same-word rhyming scheme -_- . Example? The epic (as most would say) "Control" Verse.

I got love for you all but I'm tryna murder you !@#$%*

Tryna make sure your core fans never heard of you !@#$%*

They dont wanna hear not one more noun or verb from u !@#$%*

I got love for you all but I'm tryna murder you !@#$%*

Tryna make sure your core fans never heard of you !@#$%*

They dont wanna hear not one more noun or verb from u !@#$%*

I got love for you all but I'm tryna murder you !@#$%*

Tryna make sure your core fans never heard of you !@#$%*

They dont wanna hear not one more noun or verb from u !@#$%*

I got love for you all but Im tryna murder you !@#$%*

Tryna make sure your core fans never heard of you !@#$%*

They dont wanna hear not one more noun or verb from you !@#$%*

Those are one of the few "legendary" lines of the oh-so "game-changing" verse. I do get that the passion, flow, and voice of that verse is what made the verse epic, but for the most part, people were not calling that verse as it was supposed to be called; it was instead accused of being lyrical and having a smart wordplay. The only time my ears had an orgasm while listening to a verse of Kendrick's was when he spit his alcapella in Game's song, "The City". In that track, Kendrick flows. Kendrick rhymes with larger words instead of the same old end-rhyme scheme. Kendrick's verse achieved to create a tune for itself that it did not even need to be extorted in a rap song with a beat. If he repeatedly raps like he has in "The City", maybe, just maybe, I will include myself as a fan of Kendrick Lamar and consider him great, but sadly, he does not.

Now that I have outlined that Lamar's lyricism is not that impressive and is the same as that of a swag fack rapper, Lamar is a bit of a hypocrite himself. He does not reach the great bar of hypocrisy as Hopsin has set in the rap world, but he still has set a bar anyhow. In the rap game, it is all about being the best emcee. At first, the emcee's purpose was to support the DJ and rep him as well. As time went by, the emcee started making a name for him/herself, thus rap was born. But rapping was not enough. The emcee was growing simultaneously and there were so many that the emcee had to prove himself the best out of them all, thus beef was born. The one thing you absolutely do not do while dissing someone is contradict/diss yourself. For example,

New !@#$%* just new !@#$%*, dont get involved

Ummm.... Lamar is comparing himself to legends that have stayed relevant to the rap game (mentioned right before this bar in the track) for over ten years then has the nerve to vociferate the up and coming rappers to not get involved in hip-hop when his debut album (or the first album that made Lamar relevant and popular in the rap game) was released in October 22, 2012! If he is insisting for the new, up and coming rappers to not get involved in the rap game, then isn't Kendrick himself supposed to be excluded as well since he does fall into that exact category he disses in the song?

As I have said, I do admire Kendrick Lamar's new take in rap and do believe that he went hard in "Control", but the bad actions he does in the rap game and the immense cocksucking he receives is too much for a guy who is not even as lyrical nor metaphorical nor experienced as everyone claims he is. Deuces.

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You play an online spreadsheet mmorpg. Please do not talk about how hard or soft a rapper is. Kendrick is as boring as Big KRIT. And Danny, Drake, and Future will release the best albums this year because they're the best rappers.

Gtfo.

And no Rey. He really isn't.

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You play an online spreadsheet mmorpg. Please do not talk about how hard or soft a rapper is. Kendrick is as boring as Big KRIT. And Danny, Drake, and Future will release the best albums this year because they're the best rappers.

What does me playing CN have to do with my opinion on rappers?

Lol @ Future being the best anything, just lol.

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It feels like real life has an alarm whenever I want to post something in CN Forums.

You said his lyricism was flawed, went off on a tangent about a song you liked, then said "now that I've proven his lyricism sucks"

Also, you can't be !@#$@#$ serious.



If he repeatedly raps like he has in "The City", maybe, just maybe, I will include myself as a fan of Kendrick Lamar and consider him great, but sadly, he does not.

I just heard Hopsin 5's I'll mind not too long ago, is that who you're talking about? I thought he was pretty good.

Great, now you can read my entry exposing the hypocrisy and the lies this kid, Hopsin, brings that goes against every single objective stated in Ill Mind 5. Located here:

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?/blog/838/entry-3774-truth-nation-hopsin/

To be fair to Common and Pusha T, they both got their targets to basically commit what should have been career suicide; Drake apologized and ASKED FOR AN AUTOGRAPH at the NBA All-Star Game after Common made Canada Dry (the Stay Schemin' remix), and Lil Wayne made Ghoulish.

And Pusha still kills YMCMB with rhymes that you can listen to outside of the context of beef. That's what made "Who Shot Ya" a better overall song than "Hit Em Up", the fact that even if it was made about Tupac, you could pretend it wasn't and it'd still be a good song. I'm unsure as to what Biggie's intentions were (and am leaning towards he didn't want to fight with Pac, but it was a case of Pac's paranoia acting up) but he managed to make a song that could be both inflammatory towwards the party it was (or wasn't) meant for and just a good song overall. Check New God Flow for an example of King Push's excellence.

Also, Common dissed Ice Cube back when he was still a crazy mother$%&@er and not a Nickelodeon-level star.

Lol, Hit Em Up clearly blowed away Biggie's Who Shot Ya by a landslide.When you step into the battle rap arena, flow is not as important as voice, lyricism, and exposure is against the enemy. When you are in war against another emcee, flow is the least of your worries. The three questions you need to answer to the crowd when it comes to a battle between you and an opponent, is why is your enemy not worthy for you, how is he not worthy for you, and why are you the top dog spitting int the mic. May the man rest in piece, but Biggie is not as great as everyone sets him out to be and definitely not better than 2Pac. Biggie is not the King of the East and if there is to be one, the throne belongs to Nas.

Only cowards sneak diss. If you have a problem with someone, say their name and address it personally.

In the underground scenario, it is, but when you are talking about world-known rappers, then there is where it gets a little iffy. I do agree that if you are to diss someone, say their name, or do not diss at all.

If you can get the point across without saying names, you're doing a damn good job. Turning a song into "$%&@ Lil Wayne" will alienate fans. Turning a song into a "hey, look at me be witty about Lil Wayne" is a more enjoyable experience for just about everyone.

You probably think a little tiff between nations should go to war instead of being resolved diplomatically too, right?

I find it ironic you call subliminal dissing an enjoyable type of musical aggression yet you have called Eminem a pussy for doing that exact action you claim is, again, enjoyable. And if you believe subliminals are better than straight-out dissing, then I guess you are a big fan of talking behind people's backs ;) .

Drake would lose fans because he's formula successful. His branch of hip-hop is largely successful because of the formula he has followed. His style is largely available because of Kanye. His diss would be weak, by the way, whereas Pusha can make a vibing song and throw in shots without pushing the song into "diss only" territory.

I love the penisriding of Pusha T and G.O.O.D Music (rap label) from this guy XD .

Big Sean didn't get "ethered"; that was a statement saying "hey, I'm trying to outdo you". If you think making rap a competitive sport is a diss move, you need to get your head examined.

And no, Drake isn't as talented as most say he is at all; he's formula successful. He is following a path many before him have done. He isn't Cudi carving his own flow and niche out in the game, and he isn't Big Sean spinning words around all the time. He isn't Nas with a vast vocabulary, and he isn't Kendrick providing deep content with simple lyrics. He is a basic swag rapper who has gotten big because the South's biggest name decided to endorse him, and he won a Grammy for Best Rap Album That's Really an RnB Album.

Okay, first of all, beef does determine the talent when comparing one rapper to another, or to the rest of them. If not, then why in the flying $%&@ does the rap battle even exist. You are making absolute zero sense by typing this illogic and I strongly suggest you tape your mouth shut before you start something personal with someone else. Humbug! And second, Nas does not have such an extensive use of vocabulary as you claim he does. Name me four three-plus syllable Nas has used as the end-rhyme for his bars.

Ok so now I've read the rest of your blog and hoping you'll respond to my post. I'm extremely curious as a fan of hip hop like yourself how Em's songs can match up to anything on Section .80 or GKMC. That's not even mentioning Criminal Minded, Straight out of Compton, AmeriKKKas most wanted, Ready to Die, Me Against the World, Reflection Eternal, The Chronic. That's just to name a few. Because if you make a GOAT claim you have to back it up man.


I imagine we will end up diverging on what good Hip Hop is which is fine, but I'm really looking forward to the blog revealing Em's GOAT status. To me, Eminem's songs have always consisted of nothing but rage bottled up for shock value. He is a good battle rapper, but otherwise nothing IMHO.

I literally had planned two weeks ago about posting that same exact subject but real life has held me back as you can see from how late I am responding to Rey's absurdness and your post. Eminem is the G.O.A.T because he does not present the same style most rappers present. If you have noticed, in every album, his voice changes, and his voice changes even more so when it comes to the subject of the song (depressing, hardcore, mainstream, etc.). His lyrics depends on the instrumental and the production which really catches my attention. He has also proven himself lyrically worthy to be compared to legends such as 2Pac and Nas. He has a higher use of vocabulary than Nas, his raging voice puts most soft-talked rappers to shame, his flow is inevitably perfect, his disses/wordplay are witty, smart, and great, and writes his lyrics in a different manner than the usual rapper does. There is more as to why he is the G.O.A.T, but that entry will arrive soon if real life does not interfere. Maybe I think he is G.O.A.T because he is one of the few rappers I can relate to due to the extensive gangster and social odes Pac and Nas puts up. Since the only Eminem haters I know are a couple of Kid Cudi and Kanye West cock$%&@s, and you do not seem to be like one of them, I would like to know who do you believe is the G.O.A.T and why (Gosh, I feel like a teacher giving out an assignment to a student :P).

You play an online spreadsheet mmorpg. Please do not talk about how hard or soft a rapper is.

Oh, the irony!






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It feels like real life has an alarm whenever I want to post something in CN Forums.

I literally had planned two weeks ago about posting that same exact subject but real life has held me back as you can see from how late I am responding to Rey's absurdness and your post. Eminem is the G.O.A.T because he does not present the same style most rappers present. If you have noticed, in every album, his voice changes, and his voice changes even more so when it comes to the subject of the song (depressing, hardcore, mainstream, etc.). His lyrics depends on the instrumental and the production which really catches my attention. He has also proven himself lyrically worthy to be compared to legends such as 2Pac and Nas. He has a higher use of vocabulary than Nas, his raging voice puts most soft-talked rappers to shame, his flow is inevitably perfect, his disses/wordplay are witty, smart, and great, and writes his lyrics in a different manner than the usual rapper does. There is more as to why he is the G.O.A.T, but that entry will arrive soon if real life does not interfere. Maybe I think he is G.O.A.T because he is one of the few rappers I can relate to due to the extensive gangster and social odes Pac and Nas puts up. Since the only Eminem haters I know are a couple of Kid Cudi and Kanye West cock$%&@s, and you do not seem to be like one of them, I would like to know who do you believe is the G.O.A.T and why (Gosh, I feel like a teacher giving out an assignment to a student :P).

Oh, the irony!

That's ok RL sucks :P

On the GOAT: I'm not sure one exists. What was it Nas said in Ether? "Ain't no best". That seems like a cop out though, so I'll think and come up with one. KRS-One, Tupac, Biggie, Gza, Talib Kweli, and Nas would hit at the top. Kool Moe Dee, Dre, Cube, Em, Arrested Development (duo), Slick Rick, Lupe, Raekwon, Rza, Common, Jay Electronica, J cole, and Kdot would all hit next in the same category. Not that I think J cole is better than Cube. It's just They're excellent, but don't have that factor that makes me feel like they're defensible at number one.

I do believe Kendrick has what it takes to eventually be GOAT, but I agree he's young. I've been listening to him since 2010 so I'm biased that someone I started listening to and thought was great blew up. I think the control verse will be hailed one day in the future as great. "One time Kendrick dissed everybody!".

I think with choosing the best we have to take lyricism, metaphorical content, depth of content, and rhyming ability like you were talking about here. Also, impo the greatest has to be able to freestyle like off the top of his head. Tupac really didn't have great metaphors in his songs not did he really mix up his style much.

On Em: I have never heard an Em song with social commentary, a political message, or any real deep metaphysical questions. We as Americans and Sing for the moment kind of was one. Maybe I just missed the others. As you can tell with my stress on deep content I hate horror core. Like if ICP died a firery death tommorrow, I'd laugh with joy. Another thing that bothers me about Eminem is he does not have the same flow as what I'm used too. I can't deduct points though because that's just a personal preference. He almost seems like he's always joking. So idgi. Even in his more serious songs like when I'm gone and Hailie's song he seems like he's trying to be funny. The "voice changes" you talk about aren't really on Slick Rick's level and I always find him screaming in 90% of his songs like Lil John so I'm unimpressed. Maybe I missed his great metaphors, but comparatively "quit playing wit scissors and !@#$ and cut the crap" is no where near "Back to put you backstabbers back on your spinal bone

You slipped your disc when I slid you my disc

You wanted to diss, but jumped on my dick"

When I heard that my entire soul was blown away. So I was kind of disappointed with the verse you pulled out of Hiiipower, because that wasn't a very highlighted verse.

On the good side, Em can freestyle. He is an excellent battle rapper. He isn't afraid of beef and I admit he's good. He isn't The best though. Mad respect to the man, but I would still place several people above him. Kendrick in my personal opinion is better, but he is not a ledgend ATM.

Also, I respect your opinion. Just think I have a better one. :P

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That's ok RL sucks :P

On the GOAT: I'm not sure one exists. What was it Nas said in Ether? "Ain't no best". That seems like a cop out though, so I'll think and come up with one. KRS-One, Tupac, Biggie, Gza, Talib Kweli, and Nas would hit at the top. Kool Moe Dee, Dre, Cube, Em, Arrested Development (duo), Slick Rick, Lupe, Raekwon, Rza, Common, Jay Electronica, J cole, and Kdot would all hit next in the same category. Not that I think J cole is better than Cube. It's just They're excellent, but don't have that factor that makes me feel like they're defensible at number one.

I do believe Kendrick has what it takes to eventually be GOAT, but I agree he's young. I've been listening to him since 2010 so I'm biased that someone I started listening to and thought was great blew up. I think the control verse will be hailed one day in the future as great. "One time Kendrick dissed everybody!".

I think with choosing the best we have to take lyricism, metaphorical content, depth of content, and rhyming ability like you were talking about here. Also, impo the greatest has to be able to freestyle like off the top of his head. Tupac really didn't have great metaphors in his songs not did he really mix up his style much.

On Em: I have never heard an Em song with social commentary, a political message, or any real deep metaphysical questions. We as Americans and Sing for the moment kind of was one. Maybe I just missed the others. As you can tell with my stress on deep content I hate horror core. Like if ICP died a firery death tommorrow, I'd laugh with joy. Another thing that bothers me about Eminem is he does not have the same flow as what I'm used too. I can't deduct points though because that's just a personal preference. He almost seems like he's always joking. So idgi. Even in his more serious songs like when I'm gone and Hailie's song he seems like he's trying to be funny. The "voice changes" you talk about aren't really on Slick Rick's level and I always find him screaming in 90% of his songs like Lil John so I'm unimpressed. Maybe I missed his great metaphors, but comparatively "quit playing wit scissors and !@#$ and cut the crap" is no where near "Back to put you backstabbers back on your spinal bone

You slipped your disc when I slid you my disc

You wanted to diss, but jumped on my dick"

When I heard that my entire soul was blown away. So I was kind of disappointed with the verse you pulled out of Hiiipower, because that wasn't a very highlighted verse.

On the good side, Em can freestyle. He is an excellent battle rapper. He isn't afraid of beef and I admit he's good. He isn't The best though. Mad respect to the man, but I would still place several people above him. Kendrick in my personal opinion is better, but he is not a ledgend ATM.

Also, I respect your opinion. Just think I have a better one. :P

To be honest, I do not consider Biggie to be one of the best since his lyricism is just as cheap as those swag rappers deliver towards modern society, the only difference is that he displays more passion into his music which highlights his true greatness. Biggie's raps were mainly about sex, guns, weed, and thugging and I believe that his assassination and beef against 2Pac was the reason why most believe Biggie is the King of NY. Dre is a great producer, and a phenomenal manager/mentor, but the guy has a ghost writer that basically authors his lyrics for him, so that is ,sadly, an automatic disqualification because without him, the world would've never known about Snoop Dogg, Eminem, Eazy-E, Ice Cube, and Kendrick Lamar.

My thoughts exactly! The primary reason why many are dissing Kendrick is because Kendrick has just done what most underground rappers tried doing for 5 plus years in one verse, which is getting the rap game back on its feet instead of being manipulated by the corporate greed. There is no doubt in my mind that Kendrick's Control verse will be hailed for years to come, but that verse does contain some hypocrisy (Kendrick dissing new "!@#$%*") and not all of it is original such as the idea of a non-eastcoaster claiming to be the King of New York since he stole that line/idea from Kurupt's Git Bizzy track. But I wonder why did everyone get their panties in a bunch when Kendrick did this but not when Kurupt has done so back in the day.

Eminem has done plenty of anti-government propaganda, such as White America, Square Dance, and Mosh (Mosh being the greatest Anti-Gov track I have ever heard in hip-hop). Eminem is recognized for his social commentary as well. Just check out Dont Approach Me, No Apologies, Say Goodbye Hollywood, Soldier, Like Toy Soldiers, When the Music Stops, Till I Collapse, Amityville, Marshall Mathers, Way I Am, Not Afraid, Going Through Changes, Cinderella Man, 25 to Life, Beautiful, Careful What You Wish For, My Darling, Rock Bottom, 8 Mile Road, Lose Yourself, Rabbit Run, Renegade, Syllables, just to name a few. He is not as horrorcore as most believe he is.

Which is what makes Eminem very interesting to listen to. His variety of flows brings diversity into his music.Each album, he has something surprised for the rap game. Many wanted him to go back to his old Infinite self, he has tried in Relapse and look how that turned out. But it seems this new, rage-voicing Eminem might be the one we have to settle for a long time.

In Hailie's Song, he did seem to be a bit comical there, but I saw absolutely nothing fun-attempting in When Im Gone. I believe that is one of his deepest and serious tracks he has ever made. And do not ever compare Eminem with Lil John. 2Pac screamed. Biggie screamed. Tech N9ne screams, yet ironically, they do not like it when Em does it when it his prowess that makes him who he is. I liked Eminem back in his Infinite/Slim Shady LP days, but I think he is better than ever when it comes to passion, flow, and metaphors. And yes, you missed many metaphors and great lines Em has put up in the last three years.

And I quoted Hiiipower because so many believe that is Kendrick's best song ever. It may not be to you, but I thought it was mediocrity at its best.

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I do believe Hiiipower is ine of Kendrick's best songs. I was just referring to pulling out

"I'm on a field full of land minds

Doing the moon walk hoping I blow up in time"

Instead of

"Back to put you back stabbers back on your spinal bone.

You slipped a disc when I slid you my disc

You wanted to diss, but jumped on my dick"

The alitteration there, plus the metaphors are absolutely amazing. Some of the best I've heard.

I must have missed the social commentary in Soldier, Not Afraid, and Lose Yourself. They must have been subliminal or something.

I agree Dre and Biggie do not belong at number one, but as you say he is a legend and great producer. Cube blew up before Dre really, btw. Biggie I admire because he can freestyle. Em can do that also and it's important.

At this point we're going to have to agree to disagree, because I'm not sure much else can be said. You're knowledgeable, and we agree on many points, but I still think you're dis servicing a lot of artist by putting Eminem at number one of all time.

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Hahahaha you called him knowledgable just because he made a bunch of paragraphs blowing Eminem.

Ummm, I have just included tracks that are non-pop and non-violent songs by Eminem to prove that Eminem is not as horrorcore as everyone believes he is (which, I believe, is your beef with him too) . And let's be honest, if there is anyone with the most distasteful taste in music, it is you because you have spent one entry writing how Bronson is better than Eminem and have cocksucked the whackness that is Kanye, Pusha, Big Sean, and Kid Cudi. If you are going to insult me, at least reply to my response that was aimed towards you, or dont insult me at all.

And also, I admire and feel for Omniscient because he is respecting one's beliefs and opinions, but I do not expect you to grasp the concept of that objective since it is foreign to your species.

Oh, and I give you my full permission to report this comment to the Mods, just like you did to my past one because you were so !@#$@#$ butthurt ;) . Want to be liked? Dont act like an !@#$%^&. I feel sorry for the slums that have to put up with your poor quality as a leader and as a person over at LPH.

*smells fried chicken*

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Ummm, I have just included tracks that are non-pop and non-violent songs by Eminem to prove that Eminem is not as horrorcore as everyone believes he is (which, I believe, is your beef with him too) . And let's be honest, if there is anyone with the most distasteful taste in music, it is you because you have spent one entry writing how Bronson is better than Eminem and have cocksucked the whackness that is Kanye, Pusha, Big Sean, and Kid Cudi. If you are going to insult me, at least reply to my response that was aimed towards you, or dont insult me at all.

And also, I admire and feel for Omniscient because he is respecting one's beliefs and opinions, but I do not expect you to grasp the concept of that objective since it is foreign to your species.

Oh, and I give you my full permission to report this comment to the Mods, just like you did to my past one because you were so !@#$@#$ butthurt ;) . Want to be liked? Dont act like an !@#$%^&. I feel sorry for the slums that have to put up with your poor quality as a leader and as a person over at LPH.

*smells fried chicken*

Seems you are a little strong with the butthurt, bud. I usually tend to find your blogs a good read, until Rey posts one thing bad about Eminem, then you go off on this rant saying what a terrible person Rey is.

The thing is, Eminem would not have gotten as big as he did without Dre. Eminem isn't a bad rapper, don't get me wrong, however he isn't great, let alone deserving the title of #1. Never has been, and never should be. He's alright. Nothing more, nothing less.

I do agree with you, Eminem isn't very Horror-core. I could see early in his career where you could see that, I just don't see it anymore.

FYI, as much as you'd like to believe Rey is this terrible leader, he really isn't. I've spoken to him before I joined LPH on several different occasions, he always was a pleasure to talk to. Since I joined LPH, he has always been very cool, and has always done nothing but the best for the alliance.

Clever joke. Do really want me to pull some ODN jokes out or are you mature enough to act like an adult? Or at least a pubescent teenager?

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Seems you are a little strong with the butthurt, bud. I usually tend to find your blogs a good read, until Rey posts one thing bad about Eminem, then you go off on this rant saying what a terrible person Rey is.

The thing is, Eminem would not have gotten as big as he did without Dre. Eminem isn't a bad rapper, don't get me wrong, however he isn't great, let alone deserving the title of #1. Never has been, and never should be. He's alright. Nothing more, nothing less.

I do agree with you, Eminem isn't very Horror-core. I could see early in his career where you could see that, I just don't see it anymore.

FYI, as much as you'd like to believe Rey is this terrible leader, he really isn't. I've spoken to him before I joined LPH on several different occasions, he always was a pleasure to talk to. Since I joined LPH, he has always been very cool, and has always done nothing but the best for the alliance.

Clever joke. Do really want me to pull some ODN jokes out or are you mature enough to act like an adult? Or at least a pubescent teenager?

I do not rant that Rey is a horrible person, I rather rant against Neo because of his lack of respect of the opinions I hold (and partly, his taste in music such as his cocksuckery of G.O.O.D Music) . If he simply expressed his opinions in music just like how you have, maybe my respect towards Rey and LPH would be a bit larger. I have had conversations with Rey on IRC, he totally attempts to humiliate me in a channel by making fun of my age and musical preferences; he wasn't as charming during those conversations as you claim he is. And I cannot make you believe that Eminem is the best rapper ever. As I said, maybe I believe that because he is one of the few rappers I can relate to the best; maybe it is because of his explicit flow and voice. All I know is that out of all the rappers I listen to, Em has the most love, as an artist, from me.

OPTIONAL. DEFENSE. NETWORK

or Orange Defense NeTwerk

Wow, those are horrible. Any better ones you can come up with?

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how can you relate to a serial killer slash pop celebrity?

My God, the amount of stupidity, at first, was astounding and comical. Now it is just pure sadness. I have given you and Omniscient a list that includes Eminem getting off of the horrorcoreness as he usually was during MMLP. A LARGE LIST. Here are just a few, again for the third !@#$@#$ time:

Cleanin Out My Closet, No Love, Not Afraid, Dont Approach Me, No Apologies, Like Toy Soldiers, Till I Collapse, Marshall Mathers, Way I Am, 25 to Life, Cinderella Man, Beautiful, Rock Bottom, Lose Yourself, 8 Mile Road, Going Through Changes, Rabbit Run, Renegade, Airplanes II, Brain Damage, Difficult.

also, i didn't make fun of your age; i made fun of your inability to think at all.

This is why I obliterate this guy so bad both as a leader and as a hip-hop fan. If you want respect, gain it, kid. If not, then dont even bother respecting your own self because no one else respects you.

Oh, and I just wanted to mention this, but on Target, I saw three 10-inch stacks of Kanye West's Cold Summer album sold for 5 dollars each in clearance while The Re-Up was being sold for $9.99. I swear that I am not even lying about this. It's crazy what Hip-Hop is vociferating against those bozzos known as G.O.O.D (rap label) Music.

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The non-horrorcore music is, for the most part, formulaic pop music.

Also Cruel Summer is a collab album with various styles whereas Eminem had people with similar styles signed on at that point.

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Also Cruel Summer is a collab album with various styles whereas Eminem had people with similar styles signed on at that point.

So was The Re-Up. And not all of Eminem's signees had the same style as Shady. Proof, Kon Artis, Kuniva, Stat Quo, just to name a few.

The non-horrorcore music is, for the most part, formulaic pop music.

Most use the term "pop" to excuse their !@#$%^&*ted envy towards one person by using it as a negative connotation. Not to mention that a couple of those tracks that I have mentioned were the only tracks that were played on the radio. Have you ever heard Cleanin Out My Closet, No Love, Dont Approach Me, No Apologies, Like Toy Soldiers, Till I Collapse,

Marshall Mathers, Way I Am, 25 to Life, Cinderella Man, Beautiful, Rock Bottom, 8 Mile Road, Going Through Changes, Rabbit Run, Renegade, Airplanes II, Brain Damage, and Difficult on the radio or listed in MTV's or Billboards's Top Ten?

Need I remind you that Kanye West, Big Sean, and Kid Cudi are more mainstream than Eminem yet you have the nerve to suck their penises every time the topic of rap arises (how coooold yoou be so heaaartlesss). Let me summarize what you are saying. What you are telling me is that if a song receives radioplay and is praised by many, you will not succumb to like the song because it is highly praised thus depending your likes of music on society's dislikes (besides G.O.O.D Music's), is that about right? Well, sir, I feel sorry that your ignorant mind feels that way.

The Eminem Show. Infinite. Recovery. All of those albums consisted of a variety of topics Eminem extracted and relieved for instead of using the classic horrorcore lines (which, almost every single rapper raps about eventually). There might be several battle lines, but for the most part, it was not as horrorcore as MMLP and SSLP.

Jump off a cliff, Rey, at least Eminem does not need auto-tune and a skirt to spit raw bars.

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Til I Collapse, Like Toy Soldiers, Cleanin Out My Closet, Way I Am were all on MTV.

Also lol @ calling Kid Cudi and Kanye West mainstream when they're only mainstream for inventing their own styles. Not to mention Kid Cudi isn't mainstream by any form of thought. Big Sean is mainstream but inventive.

You talk of me being rude and arrogant then tell me to jump off a cliff and tell me your artist is better with very little explanation (HE'S NOT AFRAID 2 DO HIS THANG)

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Til I Collapse, Like Toy Soldiers, Cleanin Out My Closet, Way I Am were all on MTV.

Also lol @ calling Kid Cudi and Kanye West mainstream when they're only mainstream for inventing their own styles. Not to mention Kid Cudi isn't mainstream by any form of thought. Big Sean is mainstream but inventive.

You talk of me being rude and arrogant then tell me to jump off a cliff and tell me your artist is better with very little explanation (HE'S NOT AFRAID 2 DO HIS THANG)

Yes, and all three tracks are being praised and hailed as we speak. Till I Collapse is still played in sports games and is considered one of the most motivational rap songs of all time, Like Toy Soldiers is a track Eminem exposed his mature self and has ended the last, real rap beef in hip-hop history. Cleanin Out My Closet is a song that I can strongly relate to.

Rey, open your mind for one !@#$@#$ second and at least acknowledge the fact that Kanye West and Kid Cudi are BOTH mainstream. No matter how many times you reject the idea, it is fact. And Big Sean is not inventive. Hell, he even believes that he had the better verse in "Control"

And talking about Big Sean,

I believe know that Sean has totally scratched out his original verse and replaced it by the new, subliminal dissing verse we received to not look really weak in comparison with Jay and Kendrick hence the following:

Kendrick:

And that goes for Jermaine Cole, Big KRIT, Wale/

Pusha T, Meek Millz, ASAP Rocky, Drake/

Big Sean, Jay Electron, Tyler, Mac Miller/

I got love for you all, but Im tryna murder you !@#$%*/

Sean's New Verse:

So I can kick it with my granddad, take him for a ride/

Show him I made somethin of myself

And not just tried/

No matter how far ahead I get, I always feel behind

In my mind/

But $%&@ tryin and not doin/

Cause not doin is somethin a !@#$%* not doin/

...

Im over !@#$%* saying theyre the hottest !@#$%*

Then run to the hottest !@#$%* just to stay hot/

Im one of the hottest because I flame drop/

Drop fire, and not because Im name droppin, Hall of Fame droppin

And he has also emphasized to the rap game that he did not write a new verse because it is not the way of an OG throughout an interview when not many has accused Big Sean of doing exactly that action.

So, now that you (and you guys) know what big of a liar and a wuss Big Sean is, I ask to you, sir, how can you defend Big Sean's rep now knowing that he is an equivalent as Drake and has went back on his word and lied to every single one of you Big Sean and G.O.O.D Music cocksuckers.

You talk of me being rude and arrogant then tell me to jump off a cliff

You fight with fire, I fight with flamethrowers:

i made fun of your inability to think at all.
and tell me your artist is better with very little explanation (HE'S NOT AFRAID 2 DO HIS THANG)

Oh, really? First you claim that one describes me as knowledgeable because of my long response addressing the issue as to why I believe Eminem is the G.O.A.T and now you are accusing me of telling you that Eminem is the better artist with very little explanation? As the wise words Ice Cube has said:

Check yo self before you wreck yo self.

And youre damn right he is "not afraid to do his thang", hence him subliminally dissing and flaming (the one content of dissing you said that you enjoy the most) !@#$* like Kanye West, Drake, Lil Wayne, and T.I.

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Hahahaha you called him knowledgable just because he made a bunch of paragraphs blowing Eminem.

Yea maybe so, but he has a criteria he is judging by and sticking to it. Once we get to that point then all I can do is say that his opinion isn't mine. I've already made an argument as to why Eminem is not the greatest, but I think he is good enough to be respected so all I can do is offer better examples and hope his musical tastes expand.

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Yeah, Eminem dissed Lil Wayne and T.I. then went on to work with them. What a cool dude.

Because he wanted to prove to those that love T.I. and Lil Wayne that he shreds them in comparison, show that he is not afraid to confront them person-to-person, and to attract a new crowd earning him new fans, more money, and humiliating the mainstream emcees. If you ask me, I think of it as a great strategy.

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Yea maybe so, but he has a criteria he is judging by and sticking to it. Once we get to that point then all I can do is say that his opinion isn't mine. I've already made an argument as to why Eminem is not the greatest, but I think he is good enough to be respected so all I can do is offer better examples and hope his musical tastes expand.

Compare the quoted post Omniscient respond to towards this one I just quoted. We both disagree on the same topic Rey and I are debating about yet I am not flaming him at all. It is posts like these that I respect, I annihilate bastards who author posts such as:

Hahahaha you called him knowledgable just because he made a bunch of paragraphs blowing Eminem.

Or...

also, i didn't make fun of your age; i made fun of your inability to think at all.

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