Supreme Clientele Declaration of War.

[astronaut jones]

[quote name='Krashnaia' date='21 February 2010 - 07:49 PM' timestamp='1266781763' post='2195344']
So, you are attacking them basically because they are commies. Proves my point.

And you are feeding nukes to nations who can't even nuke. Not even the lamest tech raiders are so low. Proves my point.

And you are getting really pissed when someone tells you. Proves my point.
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I attack them for not living up to their ideals. How do you equate that to attacking them for being communist? What kind of retarded math are you using to draw that conclusion? Stop being willfully ignorant.

And of course I would get pissed off when someone accuses me of bigotry when that's simply not the case. What if I accused you of racism because you were attacking a member of the black team and I insisted that you were doing so because you have racist tendencies? You wouldn't like that very much, and it would be ignorant of me to say that. But that's what you did to me, because you want to be right, and nothing else matters but you being right.

Edited February 21, 2010 by astronaut jones

[Krashnaia]

[quote name='astronaut jones' date='21 February 2010 - 09:19 PM' timestamp='1266783578' post='2195378']
I attack them for not living up to their ideals. How do you equate that to attacking them for being communist? What kind of retarded math are you using to draw that conclusion? Stop being willfully ignorant. [/quote]

Would you have the balls to declare on the Christians, Muslims, or Jews, because they "do noy live up to their ideals"?

And, what would you expect to be called if you did so?

[quote name='astronaut jones' date='21 February 2010 - 09:19 PM' timestamp='1266783578' post='2195378']And of course I would get pissed off when someone accuses me of bigotry when that's simply not the case. What if I accused you of racism because you were attacking a member of the black team and I insisted that you were doing so because you have racist tendencies?[/quote]

You are not attacking people for their team color, so your analogy doesn't apply.

If I began hitting specifically the afro-american people in CN because "they do not live up to their ideals", you could sure accuse me of being a racist, and you would be right.

Edited February 21, 2010 by Krashnaia

[Evitressa]

[quote name='Krashnaia' date='21 February 2010 - 03:34 PM' timestamp='1266784467' post='2195405']
Would you have the balls to declare on the Christians, Muslims, or Jews, because they "do noy live up to their ideals"?

And, what would you expect to be called if you did so?



You are not attacking people for their team color, so your analogy doesn't apply.

If I began hitting specifically the afro-american people in CN because "they do not live up to their ideals", you could sure accuse me of being a racist, and you would be right.
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Why does everyone keep comparing what he's doing to hunting down races and religions when it is in fact nothing like that? Politics =/= Race/Religion. Period. And for that fact, everyone in this game either directly or indirectly is politically motivated in one way or another. Good god, we've established that the comparison is not valid at all. I'm starting to think you people WANT him to be racist.

Edited February 21, 2010 by Evitressa

[astronaut jones]

[quote name='Krashnaia' date='21 February 2010 - 08:34 PM' timestamp='1266784467' post='2195405']
Would you have the balls to declare on the Christians, Muslims, or Jews, because they "do noy live up to their ideals"?

And, what would you expect to be called if you did so?


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If I knew enough about those religions, then yes, I would. But I don't know anything about being a christian, muslim, jew, or otherwise, but I DO know about being a communist, and a socialist.


If you'd like, I will start nuking the lower ranks of Monos Archein, and alliance I actually really like, as I had a lot of fun there, simply because you are currently a member of that alliance.

let me know, I'll extend my military services here just to cripple your lower ranks if you'd like. I leave that decision completely up to you, and I mean that. If you say yes, then I will, if you say no, then I won't.

Edited February 21, 2010 by astronaut jones

[Krashnaia]

[quote name='astronaut jones' date='21 February 2010 - 10:04 PM' timestamp='1266786284' post='2195438']
If I knew enough about those religions, then yes, I would. But I don't know anything about being a christian, muslim, jew, or otherwise, but I DO know about being a communist, and a socialist. [/quote]

Sure. Then you should know about the oppinion of mainstream communism on individual terrorism. I leave you a random quote on the matter:

[i]Individual terror is inadmissible precisely because it belittles the role of the masses in their own consciousness, reconciles them to their powerlessness, and turns their eyes and hopes towards a great avenger and liberator who some day will come and accomplish his mission.[/i]

[quote name='astronaut jones' date='21 February 2010 - 10:04 PM' timestamp='1266786284' post='2195438']
If you'd like, I will start nuking the lower ranks of Monos Archein, and alliance I actually really like, as I had a lot of fun there, simply because you are currently a member of that alliance.

let me know, I'll extend my military services here just to cripple your lower ranks if you'd like. I leave that decision completely up to you, and I mean that. If you say yes, then I will, if you say no, then I won't.[/quote]

Ah, I knew your name rang a bell.

Looks like your buttons are so easly triggered than a simple comment from a random poster can really drive you nuts and force you to totally change your objectives.

You know what's funny? Reading you about how "hegemonist" is to enforce cripplin' reps, and then looking how do you have no qualms in threaten to wage war on a whole alliance for the oppinions of one of their members in the Forums. And looking you declaring free agressive wars and delivering nukes to nations who can't fight back.

You are nobody to give moral lessons, man. You have proven to belong to the deep pit of the moral pool.

EDIT: About your offer, I'm nobody to force my alliance to wage war on you. So I must decline.

Edited February 21, 2010 by Krashnaia

[Krashnaia]

[quote name='Evitressa' date='21 February 2010 - 09:58 PM' timestamp='1266785892' post='2195434']
Why does everyone keep comparing what he's doing to hunting down races and religions when it is in fact nothing like that? Politics =/= Race/Religion. Period. And for that fact, everyone in this game either directly or indirectly is politically motivated in one way or another. Good god, we've established that the comparison is not valid at all. I'm starting to think you people WANT him to be racist.[/quote]

Being intolerant on other's political ideas is actually in the definition of bigotry.

[quote]bigot [ˈbɪgət]
n
a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race[/quote]

That's why people do the comparation.

Racist? No, of course he is not racist for hunting down people for ideological bias.

[astronaut jones]

[quote name='Krashnaia' date='21 February 2010 - 11:22 PM' timestamp='1266794560' post='2195588']


Racist? No, of course he is not racist for hunting down people for ideological bias.
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Time after time of being told the truth, and you willingly ignoring the truth, does not then magically make your statements correct. You are beyond hope.

[generals3]

[quote name='astronaut jones' date='22 February 2010 - 12:32 AM' timestamp='1266795121' post='2195600']
Time after time of being told the truth, and you willingly ignoring the truth, does not then magically make your statements correct. You are beyond hope.
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but you ignore an other truth. You are the one who says you want to hit capitalist alliances claiming to be socialists and by doing that trying to help the proletariat . But you are also the one who willingly downed his NS to only be hit by Lower NS nations who don't stand a chance . So you chose to hit the victims of the system that you should help for pure convenience of your own. A real idealist would have struck the High ranks , the leaders of the system . Not the ones they claim to fight for.

Its not the fault of the low NS nations of those alliance their leaders don't help them yet it's them you strike . Your methods fail in every possible way to uphold your so called ideals . I'm sorry but once your war is based on ideals Military advantages don't have top priority anymore , making sure you uphold the idealism you preach does.

[Krashnaia]

[quote name='astronaut jones' date='22 February 2010 - 12:32 AM' timestamp='1266795121' post='2195600']
Time after time of being told the truth, and you willingly ignoring the truth, does not then magically make your statements correct. You are beyond hope.
[/quote]

Ok. Since we both have made our points clear regarding our oppinions about each other, perhaps we can leave that part of the debate here. It's not gonna take us anywhere, anyway. As you have claimed to know about socialism, let's sway the debate in a, more productive, direction. [b]Let's talk about ideology[/b].

I have already pointed you that individual terrorism (or [b]individualist revolutinary action[/b], if you prefer to name it this way) [b]is[/b] in fact a very [b]anti-marxist[/b] stance.

I could add that [b]Charity[/b], too, [b]has nothing in common with socialism[/b]. Charity only reproduces the status quo, and reassures the elite's position as dominant, over the poor who are dependant on them for their resources. Socialism is not about "solidarity" of the richer to the poorer. It's about solidarity [i]between[/i] the poor.

Thus, [b]your struggle is contrary to socialism[/b] for two reasons:
- First, because you are stealing the role of the poor. It's them who should adquire class awareness and thus fight their own struggle. With your actions, you are actually robbing them from that, and making them belive, on the other hand, that their emancipation lies in the hands of an individual "hero" or "saviour".

- Second, because you requeriment that your enemies have to send free aid to the so called "poor" is Charity, not Solidarity. It would only reassure the position of the richer nations as dominant, and would create a dependancy bond for the poorer, who would feel to have incurred a debt with them, a debt they must repay with loyalty.

The only socialist form of Solidarity in Planet Bob is Tech Dealing in a Fair Trade basis. It helps to develope the poorer, but doesn't make them dependant from the richer, as they have not been given "charity", but have performed a commercial transaction, thus are not in debt and owe nothing to the rich.

Your stance, thus doesn't belongs to socialism.

My two cents.

Edited February 22, 2010 by Krashnaia

[Werner von Hermann]

[quote name='Eamon' date='21 February 2010 - 09:18 AM' timestamp='1266772710' post='2195133']
Lot of foolish talk in this thread about cowardice and bravery and what not. There's no bravery and cowardice in CN just people who care about their stats and people who don't (btw one isn't really better than the other provided you don't make alliances you love your stats too much to keep.) Certainly AJ has the advantage in the war I'm fighting with him, he's got nukes and spies due to dropping NS neither of which I can support at my level but then again we have numbers and aid to help. I'm getting my arse handed to me but there you go we made a promise to SWF and we don't care too much about our stats not to keep it.

Anyway being nuked twice at a mere 75 days old is quite an honour.
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You're a better man than I. I still hold to my opinion of cowardice; he admitted to purposely lowering his NS while still holding on to the military strength of a veteran nation. It's just how I see it.

Glad to have you in INT Eamon.

[Evitressa]

[quote name='Werner von Hermann' date='22 February 2010 - 02:07 PM' timestamp='1266865624' post='2197611']
You're a better man than I. I still hold to my opinion of cowardice; he admitted to purposely lowering his NS while still holding on to the military strength of a veteran nation. It's just how I see it.

Glad to have you in INT Eamon.
[/quote]
"HE'S ATTACKING US USING ST- ST- STRATEGY! HE'S SUCH A COWARD AND I HATE HIM. WE CANT WIN AGAINST THIS AND HE'S SUCH A MEANY VETERAN AND BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW."

Want me to call the whambulance for you? Still waiting for you folks to attack me, btw. This is the last chance before I decide to force your collective hands a bit. c:

[Comrade Craig]

[quote name='Evitressa' date='22 February 2010 - 02:40 PM' timestamp='1266878455' post='2197962']
"HE'S ATTACKING US USING ST- ST- STRATEGY! HE'S SUCH A COWARD AND I HATE HIM. WE CANT WIN AGAINST THIS AND HE'S SUCH A MEANY VETERAN AND BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW."

Want me to call the whambulance for you? Still waiting for you folks to attack me, btw. This is the last chance before I decide to force your collective hands a bit. c:
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Feel free to hit my nation any time you get bored.

-Craig

[Evitressa]

@comradecraig: Not only are you out of range, but you are in peacemode. I have no problem with people in peacemode... Except for when they tell people to attack them... While in peacemode. I'm confused, were you not given the memo about how you cannot effectively go to war while in peacemode? Or am I missing something?

[Comrade Craig]

[quote name='Evitressa' date='22 February 2010 - 08:22 PM' timestamp='1266898928' post='2198487']
@comradecraig: Not only are you out of range, but you are in peacemode. I have no problem with people in peacemode... Except for when they tell people to attack them... While in peacemode. I'm confused, were you not given the memo about how you cannot effectively go to war while in peacemode? Or am I missing something?
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I'm sorry... Did I expect too much of you? Couldn't find the "save nation" button? How can you expect to ever hold an effective grudge if you cannot master such a simple concept? I assure you that my time as a hippie is an unfortunate fluke of strategy. It will be short lived, I assure you (oh hey, I used your favorite word: "st-st-strategy").

-Craig