dudluv2 Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 i did some searching for this but couldnt find a definitive answer, so i apologize if this is a retopic that i just havent come across so im trying to cut as many corners as possible and since i am ready to start labor camp swapping i plan on not paying bills for 2-3 days before i collect taxes (then purchase the labor camps and then pay the bills, henceforth save more monies). i was wondering if i can not pay bills 2 days prior to tax collection, then on the third day, collect and whatnot, then purchase labor camps, then pay the 3 days worth of bills. i know right around 3 days you cant purchase anything else without paying bills i just wanted to know if it was ON day 3 of AFTER day 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Cathal Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 I don't know what you mean! What is Labour Camp swapping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viluin Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 (edited) I don't know what you mean! What is Labour Camp swapping? Maybe it's just me, but I think you will lose money if you start labor camp swapping at your size. Unless you have a cycle of 10+ days or so, which is a lot of trouble to go through. Remember, 5 labor camps cost $750k to buy every time. With a 3-day cycle I'm sure you would lose money. EDIT: And I'm not factoring in the cost of the other improvements you may want to buy after destroying 5 labor camps every time. Edited December 17, 2007 by Viluin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudluv2 Posted December 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 (edited) im starting a 19 day cycle and with my current infra it will end up saving me a total of roughly a million. i normally do 19 day cycles but i had to time it differently for my 60 day and 90 day anniversaries edit: and the 3 day cycle you spoke of was a misunderstanding. i currently do not have them (as it would not be profitable at this moment), but i was asking if i can not pay bills for 2 days prior to collecting taxes, then i collect, then i labor camp swamp, then i pay 3 days worth of bills (which obviously saves me more money), then go another 18-19 days, then build back banks and collect. i know i can do it for at least a day i was just wondering if im forced to pay bills before anything else on my 3rd day of unpaid bills or 4th day. Edited December 17, 2007 by dudluv2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudluv2 Posted December 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 whoops just found the answer buried in the FAQ lock n ban (plz no ban ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philp110 Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Two days is your answer that you probably already found. If you wait until the third day to pay your bills, you cannot purchase ANYTHING including improvements. Your alliance is one of CN's greatest, so they may disagree with me and you should follow their advice, but saving $1M over 19 days seems silly to me. Simply by growing naturally you will make far more than that in 19 days from improving your infrastructure and collecting a little bit more each day. Especially if you are involved in tech trading or receive aid from your alliance. And if you lose a trade (especially fish or wheat) on the 18th day or are attacked, you are screwed and you just wasted 19 days of no growth. Just a thought... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudluv2 Posted December 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 with my current plan i will be over 3000 infrastructure by february...ive thought it out man trust me. the whole 2 days not paying things is just a microcosm of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veritas Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 You've kinda got labor camp swapping backward. The way i did it was save up enough money to pay 10 days worth of bills and the money you need to buy the improvements. You pay bills everyday and then at the end of those 10 days you swap your labor camps and collect taxes. It can be a little tricky starting up but after you get in the rhythm it basically works like this: pay bills for 10 days without collecting taxes at the end of 10 days swap improvements and spend all your excess money buying inf. then collect taxes and repeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudluv2 Posted December 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 no you dont understand me...it goes like this dont pay bills for 2 days collect taxes purchase labor camps pay previous 2 days worth of bills pay bills for 10 days build banks collect taxes build labor camps then go on the routine. the not paying bills for initial 2 days is a one time thing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDave Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 But in that method you'd have collected taxes without banks earlier on in the run :S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudluv2 Posted December 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 no b/c i already have the banks to start with. i collect, then destroy, then build labor, then pay bills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDave Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 You shouldn't be destroying banks in Improvement swapping. It serves no purpose. If you havent got enough citizens for you nation to have 5 banks and 5 LC's you're trying it to early (or built improvements in a dodgy order). Banks should be permanent, LC's should be present for days of bill paying and destroyed for days of back collection. If you destroy banks to replace with LC's then you have to destroy LC's to replace banks. Therefore you are paying $550,000 for 5 banks and $xxx,000 for LC's (whatever the figure is multiplied by 5). You only need the cost of buying 5 LC's and therefore save over half a million with each cycle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idriveavw Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 not to mention, there is interest on the bills you have not paid. so your bills are actually higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frick Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 not to mention, there is interest on the bills you have not paid. so your bills are actually higher. But isn't interested capped at $10,000. That goes both ways, both on uncollected taxes and unpaid bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Cathal Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 But isn't interested capped at $10,000. That goes both ways, both on uncollected taxes and unpaid bills. No, taxes are capped at $10,000 interest, but bills are capped at $5,000 interest! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudluv2 Posted December 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 (edited) sigh... im not going to try and explain it anymore it isnt that hard to understand guys. but if you want i can bump this thread with how much money ive saved next time i collect taxes. this thread wasnt designed to debate my strategy, i just wanted to make sure how many days not to pay bills before i was forced to pay taxes before purchasing anything else, which has been resolved Edited December 20, 2007 by dudluv2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudluv2 Posted December 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 not to mention, there is interest on the bills you have not paid. so your bills are actually higher. paying an extra 10k opposed to saving half on your infra bill for 2 days (~250k) is a pretty easy decision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idriveavw Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 a fair point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veritas Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 I understand what your saying dudluv it seems like a good idea to me haven't thought about it much. -Veritas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorfindel Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 On 3rd day you must pay bills in order to be able to purchase anything in the future. I routinely: (1) don't pay bills, collect taxes; (2) don't pay bills, collect taxes; (3) collect taxes, demolish intelligence agencies, buy LCs, pay bills; (4-?) pay bills X (?) days, don't collect taxes X (?) days; (LAST DAY) pay bills, demolish LCs, buy intelligence agencies, collect back taxes. Repeat, ad nauseum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeternos Astramora Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 I swapped with 15 improvements at one time and pulled a profit. That was with the lower improvement prices though. To figure out when to start improvement swapping: [ 2 * Total cost of improvements involved ] / One day's worth of infra bills = # of days to save to pull a profit. If the # of days is over 20, then you can't pull a profit because you'll be deleted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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