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2 hours ago, Caustic said:
Apathy isn't an excuse. If you were that unhappy you should have cancelled. And ffs your return on investment for the relationship is directly on you. And just lol at "crappy" allies. We took your place, and did it far better
Should have done this, should have done that, but it doesn't keep me up at night, it really doesn't change anything at the end of the day. That we left a bad ally and their !@#$%* friends who we couldn't stand hanging - doesn't bother me one bit. It's like old PC/ujp people trying to make TPF feel bad for this and that and whatever else from the past, probably the most infuriating thing we can do from your perspective is just not give a $%&@, which we don't.
For the record though, we came very close to cancelling the treaty, but you know, like allies sometimes do, we talked to them about it, talked about the things we were unhappy about, and they asked that we wait and let them try to address our concerns.
I guess empty assurances are always an easy way to keep others in the fold.
1 hour ago, Caustic said:Maybe? It goes both ways. They've taken a hard D for us, given us plenty of opportunities in return. I'm not bitter about it
Ah, well good luck with that, just always keep in mind how much you really mean to them, but I guess at this stage, it probably doesn't matter very much.
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2 hours ago, Caustic said:
Yeah, you were loyal for years and then in an instant $%&@ed them (and the rest of us) over in an absolutely spectacular way. You can obfuscate the truth all you want, but it doesn't change what happened. You ditched out of a war against NPO at the earliest possible time and left the rest of us to foot the bill. And you wonder why you got dumped for those of us who stuck by them? What you did in the past is was completely nullified by that one massive act of cowardice and self preservation.
I can't tell you how many times we got our asses tanned for the sake of NPO, how many times we stuck in losing wars until they got peace. You know what we got in return? Very little if anything, I can't think of many instances where we were significantly better off for being allied to NPO, so you can $%&@ right off with that "we owed it to you". We made sacrifices for NPO, and as for the rest of you - TPF was never happy fighting alongside the crappy allies NPO had been buddying up to, and we were even less happy with being told what to do and just being expected to fall in line. We didn't owe them a damn thing, and we sure as $%&@ didn't owe you anything either.
The mistake in your thinking is that TPF didn't expect what was going to happen when we signed a treaty with MI6. Certainly we thought NPO might defer to other allies, and that the DoW might have been handled in a more professional manner, but otherwise it went about as expected.
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2 hours ago, Caustic said:
I was never in PC, nice try tho.
Surely you can understand the mistake, when you spend so much time in the outhouse, you end up smelling like !@#$.
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23 hours ago, stoyanovp said:
Its not what it is that is the problem. Its using it to pressure a nation young to CN that has now idea what it is or how to handle it. Of course some will seek help from their alliance others will just be confused. So yea I consider it a jerk move, they can attack all they want or all they can (which hasn't been much lately #anarchy24/7) but don't be an ass about it.
It's things like this that make me advocate really doubling down on these types of endeavors, if I had any ambition what-so-ever, I'd personally spearhead those efforts.
It's far from the first time somebody has done something like that, and to a well functioning alliance it poses no real danger. Alliances always like to control the narrative that their members hear, because that gives them control. These nations you speak of are paying the price for the seeds that their leadership sowed. If they want to face the consequences for offenses they did not commit, that's fine, but don't pretend like they don't have a right to hear something other then the narrative that the New Pacific Order wants them to hear.
A good government should serve to protect their members and promote their interests, although in almost every significant alliance there's a handful of individuals in control who are mostly just using the membership to promote their own interests. How dare somebody do something that might cause their members to complain, how dare somebody do something that forces them to answer some difficult questions.
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5 hours ago, brucemania said:
Finally a post of sense. This is the old TPF that we had that good relationship with and thanks for saying yes to being partly to blame. The amount of blame even i can admit is particial to perception. We all get that. And believe me in saying TPF did mean a lot to us. Not as a meat shield as perceived but as a good ally that was loyal and stood by thick and thin. Personally when we cancelled on you I was one of the many from the older nations that did not like it one bit. Losing a good ally such s yourself is and was hard to take. I wish to this day we could work things out and become what we were. That will happen if it is meant to be but if it does not TPF will always be remembered personally as them whom one could depend on Even now seeing what TPF is doing is hard to take cause regardless of the future I had hope that you guys would take the energy you got now to be great agian. ( i Know dumb ass take off Trump) but that is the truth. It is unfortunate that you have taken this past as I know if done another way you could of maybe been that leader of the other side to rally a force against the current situation. We all choose a path ... NPO choose theirs and you choose yours. It is what it is and hopefully at some point we can all move on from it.
If only we had just grown apart and went our separate ways, but you and I both know damn well that's not the full story. Friends drift apart all the time, that's a part of life & you move on.
But you start thinking about things like the feeling on our side that since the treaty was resigned, we made a number of sacrifices on your behalf, yet at no point were we really any better off for having the treaty. I was really upset to think about how there was multiple conversations around 2013-14 within TPF about walking away from NPO and forgeing a new path, only to have NPO pull the wool over our eyes once more and tell us everything was going to be just great.
But it wasn't just two old friends parting ways, you attacked us pre-emptively with a god damn crudely drawn comic strip.
You did to us something I doubt we could have ever done to you. In my head, I can't help but think that had the roles been reversed, we would have done everything we could to avoid direct conflict with you, for a long long time if not forever, based on the history that we shared.
QuoteEven now seeing what TPF is doing is hard to take cause regardless of the future I had hope that you guys would take the energy you got now to be great agian. ( i Know dumb ass take off Trump) but that is the truth. It is unfortunate that you have taken this past as I know if done another way you could of maybe been that leader of the other side to rally a force against the current situation.
I wanted to address this point specifically -
As far as why we've gone this route, you need to understand that TPF is an alliance of old people, those of us who are not old - are tired. The more that I think about it, this isn't entirely rooted in revenge - we had gotten to a point where continuing didn't make a lot of sense, the last war just framed our situation more clearly, and revenge only gave us an opportunity to put what would have otherwise been lost in inactivity to use.
I know I put a lot of thought into trying to think of a way to make TPF work in the future, and I'm sure that others did as well. It wasn't the sort of thought process that revenge was the only thing on our mind and we were willing to throw everything away for even a little bit of payback. We just didn't see ourselves having the time or ability to make the changes we would need to have a meaningful future - and with the trend of things, I'm not sure that time and ability would have been enough. It then became a question of moving on, and so many of us found that there really wasn't much to keep us around aside from TPF.
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1 hour ago, Edward Reed said:
Doesn't seem like you are enjoying it since its been 18 pages of whining from TPF. I highly doubt anyone from our side is complaining about this since we've been itching for war these last few weeks.
I really have no problem with TPF but the messages you have sent(and yes we have all read them) reek of salt and tears. Its actually pretty pathetic at this point and something below what I thought of TPF.
You hit an MD ally of ours what did you honestly expect? Shut it and actually start enjoying the war because right now you seem jaded and miserable.
As far as itching for war for a few weeks now, we've been going at it with NPO for over two months now, so uh, what took you so long? If you want to fight us, fine, but we just find it disappointing that an alliance of over 400 nations needs to call in their friends to defend against an alliance of under 30 members. Given that we entered this war against such odds, do you think we're upset that we're fighting more people? It's not like NPO should have any problem filling our slots, even getting down to the levels which we are. If anything, we are saddened that some people (your members) are being dragged into the line of fire to absorb damage for others (NPO) by people they trust (your government).
As far as the messages go - since they irk you so much, I have to think we'll continue sending them - and not everybody is as invested in the party line as you would think, I daresay those sticking their necks out for NPO have a right to know why they're being asked to do so.
As far as your feelings of what constitutes pathetic, or us falling short of your expectations, franklly, we don't give a damn what you think of us. We have no further use for what you think of us one way or the other.
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5 hours ago, Caustic said:
Don't worry amigo, once we're done wiping the floor with certain alliances we'll be back to finish the job we started with you.
Oh no! Not Non Grata, please don't send in Non Grata!
9 hours ago, brucemania said:IN all honesty .. considering you have stated that this is the end of TPF and you have rescinded all your treaties and protection one might just consider you all rogues. WHich means in fact anyone has a free go at your tech and all.
That's true, but I'd encourage anybody considering it to remember that we don't have an end-game. We have infra/tech/warchests that were going to be of no use to us in the future because quite frankly, we're not interested in continuing in this realm.
If they want to stick out their neck on NPO's behalf, we can't stop them, but they are not going to be any significant setback to us and are only absorbing damage on your behalf. Luckily for NPO, there's never been any shortage of people willing to do that for you.
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1 hour ago, Steve Buscemi said:
Can you show me how to duck out of wars super quick? I know you have loads of experience with that sort of thing. I want to look "honorable" by "defending" an ally, but still save most of my pixels. I really don't want to be a good ally. Also, when should I launch wars based on OOC stuff?
If you're really interested in side-stepping wars and saving pixels, you could always go talk to IRON. It should be somewhat easy for you to get a hold of them on account of you being in a bloc together.
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TPF was, and still is a useless worthless bloated husk of NS that no one will even bother to remember when you're gone. We've made our mark on this world, you've done absolutely nothing and then followed up by kicking and whining your way out like petulant children. Enjoy retirement boys!
It's a shame that saying something and over and over doesn't make it true.
Actually, I'm pretty sure Cortath put his signature on at least five treaties during his reign besides your own. Invicta, NSO, TIO (funny Farrin related story on that one. See me for details). A couple of really bad idea protectorates. So a few people liked us. Karma was a rough thing to get past, but NPO managed. Some didn't.
Now, as this is a pretty fluid place, and you're talking about over five years ago, I'm sure NPO's friends now weren't their friends then. Most AAs don't stay so stagnant in their treaty web for that long as it inhibit their ability to do anything politically. More to the point though, you guys have been gone a long time, MP. NPO should have cut you loose the second they realized it. Had they, you might have found yourself in a better place now as you would have been forced into some sort of activity if only to tie yourselves to the other end of the web. I've already apologized in earnest for my part in actively perpetuating that.
Everything beyond that point is beating a dead horse. You guys really should stick to the argument on which you have any ground. Your gov and mine failed TPF years ago when both of us held on to a treaty for stupid reasons.
Given the way that NPO was routinely beaten down in the years following Karma, the vast difference in the sizes of the side that liked them and the side that disliked them, I stand behind saying that nobody wanted to do anything to do with them, even if it is somewhat of an exaggeration.
I don't feel that TPF was ever as dead as you seem to think they are. I don't think that our lack of movement is a sign of inactivity or lack of effort at all - some alliances take treaties more seriously then others. I really don't see why you seem so insistent that NPO should have cancelled on us, from their perspective I think it was always the wise move to keep us, for it never cost them anything. On the flip side, we should have made move a long long time ago, for being treatied to NPO did cost us a great deal at various points and never provided us any benefit. In hindsight that was probably the biggest mistake we ever made, and the fault on that lies entirely with us. I think all along the idea of what NPO was that we had in our mind and the reality of what they actually were were quite different.
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We all knew you were all but dead, still I told Farrin not to drop you. I told Brehon not to drop you. I'm getting old. My memory might be going, but I think I told Cortath not to drop you too. I wanted the nostalgia of TPF. I thought because of our history, you were owed real effort to fix it.
I doubt that. NPO doesn't sever ties with allies until they've used them for everything they're worth, and I really doubt the part about Cortath, as that'd be placing that around the time when nobody (and I do mean nobody) wanted anything to do with NPO. You look at NPO's current allies, and with the exception of NATO, they were all busy during that time either ignoring NPO's attempts to recreate their image or directly participating in planning wars against NPO.
At any rate, we didn't stay allied to NPO because it was easy or because we didn't have the activity to do otherwise. Nostalgia weighed on us as well, we too felt there was something there worth saving, unfortunately we were wrong.
Side note, I'm honestly proud that NPO FA herded up enough TPF gov to sit down and have that conversation to begin with. I remember trying to talk to you guys. Unless things have drastically changed, that could not have been easy.
I have a hard time getting any further on the feel sorry for TPF train. See, I was there when FAN was FAN. You are no FAN. You're just an AA that died sometime in 2010, and was never able to find gov willing to commit the time and energy into renewing you, or even to cancel a treaty with an ally that was going somewhere you didn't want to go. That would have required you to actively seek out a new FA path, also known as effort.
Jesus !@#$@#$ christ, get over yourself already.
A side note to anybody who's interested in FA, showing up on IRC and expecting somebody to be there 24/7 and willing to drop whatever they're working on to deal with your !@#$%^&* is going to lead to some frustration. We could always be found if you sought us, it's not our fault if you didn't try.
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I was told to come back and look at this, as it was partially my fault for holding the "don't drop TPF cause history and things" stance for years and years. I would like to counter that had I not, JudgeX would not be around now and actively posting his upset. It was my pleasure.
Honestly, that might have been the cruelest thing you ever did to us. You sure didn't do us any favors - in all the time I've been in or around TPF, I honestly can't think of a single instance where we were honestly better off for being allied to NPO.
What really keeps me steaming though, is that during the last war NPO talked endlessly about how we had drifted apart, how our goals hadn't been similar in quite some time, which of course is all true. What you may have forgotten is that sometime around the end of 2013, maybe the spring of 2014, TPF underwent a change in leadership and it was debated at length whether to cancel on NPO. In the end, we all got together and you talked us out of it.
I just can't help but think how our future might have been different (and undeniably in a positive way) over the last 6 or 7 years had we done like so many other alliances (including pretty much all of your current allies) and told you to $%&@ off and went in a different direction. I can't blame you for that, though, the fault on that one lies squarely with us.
For the record, I was among the TPF members most vocal about keeping the NPO treaty, and for the record, I feel really foolish about it in hindsight, and probably will for quite some time.
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Sadly they will have no one in my range for some years to come.
Somehow I find it hard to believe that you're actually disappointed about that.
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OsRavan, I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm also sorry that attempting to say things a little more politely then Judge X qualifies as "BS rhetoric" in your book. I did so not to obscure the facts, but to extend a little courtesy your way of giving you clarification you asked for while not telling you to " $%&@ yourself and the horse you rode in on". I'll be sure not to make that mistake again.
I think you have to admit there's a fair bit of difference between us saying we'll fight NPO until we get tired of it, and other "permawars" we've seen where an alliance with vastly superior numbers and firepower is the aggressor who will not grant peace. I expect NPO will tell you that we'll amount to nothing more then a sore that takes a while to heal - an annoyance at worst.
I don't know that we ever set about anything that we've done because we wanted to have a positive reputation. We made decisions, we did things, some people liked it, some people didn't. This decision was approached in a similar fashion. If that's the consequence of our actions, we're sorry you feel that way, but I don't feel like it would have made any difference to us 3 years ago, and it certainly doesn't now.
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Well Judge X's response was a little more abrasive then I would have put it, but it's basically what it is.
If you're wondering if this is just going to be 3 weeks where we fire off all our nukes and go on our ways, I'm afraid that's not what it is.
I wouldn't say eternal in that we intend for it to last forever, or that we're going to prolong it as much as we can. Some of us have sizable warchests that we want to put to use (not me so much, however). I really don't know how long this war will last, it could be a few months, it could be a year or longer. It all depends on how dedicated people are. We're not going to play tricks or use lots of strategy to prolong the war, it will last so long as a single nation is willing to call themselves a member of The Phoenix Federation - and that's basically it.
As far as our reputation, tarnishing it, being labeled as scum, feeling ashamed, for $%&@s sake, it's 38 vs ~400 plus whoever they want to fight on their behalf. And honestly, what's the big deal of a reputation or legacy anyway? We won't be around to be advantaged or disadvantaged by our reputation in the future, and frankly I don't know that I'll lose any sleep because people think less of us.
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I wish I had your motivation levels. Admin knows that I once did. There was a time when revenge was the only thing that motivated me. Now, sometimes, I feel like I'm just addicted to pressing buttons, afraid of how I would feel if I stop.
Perma-War takes a lot of motivation. You seem to want to go out of this world in a final moral crusade. (I'm not saying that you don't have the resources; most of you do) Quitting and bridge-burning, with a long-term--but finite--plan of revenge. . . It has a sense of cognitive dissonance, does it not? What do you even hope to achieve in the end?
*shrugs*. . . Some people choose to accept the absurdities of this world. NPO chose survival. I guess, you've finally picked suicide.
This world would be a sadder place if you left for good.
Basically, the situation is that we have members who have spent a long accruing funds that they'll never need (not me so much though) The way things have gone, the lack of excitement in the political arena coupled with the fact that our activity has been exceptionally poor with no real solution to fixing it as a result of the overall decline around here, we decided that it was time to get out of the picture. A fair number of our members who still had some passion and drive left have migrated elsewhere since the conclusion of the last war, but some of us - lacking that passion and drive, have nothing to tie us here without TPF.
It just so happens that those people are filled with just the right amount of salt and spite to come around once a day (or so) and convert those funds we've built for a day that will never come into vengeance. There isn't an end-game because this war will endure so long as a single nation calls itself a member of The Phoenix Federation. We might not do a tremendous amount of damage, but I anticipate being a moderate annoyance for a while to come. The problem with people who care fighting those who don't care is that those who have nothing to lose - don't lose.
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A fitting exit, although I tend to think it'll be a prolonged one.
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Congratulations on being able to count, Croatia1.
You can't even extend the man the common courtesy of calling him by his chosen name? (I know, but geez.)
Also, good war and whatever else. Until next time.
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So I mean I guess TOP is switching sides again or something?
Well duh, they're going to double back on Polar or something.
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I have a feeling your tone would be a bit different had we decided to burn our entire top tier like you did. Well done though.
I imagine the tone of alot of people would be different if IRON honored treaties and defended allies the same way STA does, or you know, at all. -
Any cuter and you'll spontaneously combust into Tela.
Be honest, on a scale of 1 to infinity, how dirty did fighting alongside Tela make you feel?You don't. But, as long as you're down there looking up at me, I'm fine with it. ;)
No, I'm pretty sure Judge X is right on the money there.
By the way, how is rebuilding Echelon to it's former glory going? I noticed the other day that it would appear as if my tech is relatively safe. -
i can understand surrender, i can understand white peace...but why not make it even on both?
it's not like TPF/STA were NG/NPO/NSO/CnG or anything
As I understand, there was one alliance in particular who we were fighting who demanded it. I was never told exactly who, but I'd put my money on MCXA . Now that this is over, I have no qualms about saying that MCXA is a terrible alliance, which should be of no surprise to anybody. Particularly interesting was their attempt to threaten an 15 member alliance with war for sending us 400 tech over a 10 day period. Outside of MCXA, everybody else was pretty good, and it was a pleasure.
But honestly, "we admit defeat" is just a bunch of words, no different then "I love you" in that you really don't have to mean it to say it.
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Are you telling me Sparta couldn't even handle NATO and TIO without having to call in their thug-friends?
All this talk about Sparta being much improved has obviously been lies :v:
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Well, don't take my visiting your app thread as a sign of anything except me needing a good laugh today. But I don't know, to be honest the signs of turning an alliance around are difficult to read, not that it's particularly relevant, you will not turn Echelon around because it's not possible. There are next to nobody left in Echelon, and looking at the war declarations, those who have been a while aren't the active ones in Echelon. You can't revive an alliance by simply giving it new members if there's no old members through which to give the alliance identity and culture, it'd be no different then starting a new alliance under an established name, which would be sad because Echelon, whatever it's present is, has a past that deserves better then to be remade in your image.Ha! I am one of the most known people in this game. Also the fact that you care so much just shows how linked I am to you. Come at me bro.
Yeah... If it weren't for tech raids I would have had several AAs I had going well. However for a bit of interest, would you like to wager a bet that I can't get Echelon on a good track?
Also thanks for visiting my app thread. It makes me feel good to see how much I am cared for :wub:
I thought about saying that if you could get Echelon to 30 members, I'd quit [ooc]the game[/ooc], but you'd probably cheat, and honestly I really don't care either way enough to make a wager, but fuck, if you can hit 25 members, I'll give you 100 tech, why not. -
I looked at the war declarations today and "doing well" wasn't exactly what jumped to mind. And I think the reason why people thought Echelon was gone was because there was zero activity going on, in fact all their leaders up and quit and that's how Tela came to power - by necessity. To be honest, the fact of the matter is that Echelon is dead.Those who matter know of Echelon. Echelon is fighting in this war and is do pretty well.When echelon was your size it was known to everyone, and up even in one of the top blocs in the game. The only reason people thought we were gone was because Echelon started shrinking. I'd rather be a memory then never known at all. Don't worry GLoF, we will give you a call when one of your allies needs someone to throw in front of a bullet. Stay by the phone please. Yet until then, Bye Felicia!
I went over to their forums and read your application thread, and I had a pretty good laugh. Good luck "reviving Echelon". That'd be nice to see, but at this point there's really nothing left to revive.
Also Rotavele, the OWF is a poor choice of venues to have a "one-on-one discussion".
Blast from the past
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Hey GDI, I felt my ears ringing so here I am.
Basically the long and the short of it is that TPF & NPO didn't talk to each other for a while, NPO started signing treaties with alliances TPF didn't like, TPF started signing treaties with alliances NPO didn't like, and before you know it, NPO cancels the NPO-TPF treaty, and not long after pre-emptively attacks TPF. TPF negotiates peace, spends some time licking it's wounds, cancels all it's treaties, tells everybody who wants to keep playing the game to go elsewhere, and attacks NPO, most people left fought until they had nothing left and let their nations go inactive - that's what I did anyway.
deathcat had left the game about a year before that happened, I still hear from HailSatan from time to time, JudgeX wasn't very active near the end as I think he's incredibly busy. As for me, I'm just living the life, day by day here in paradise. I'm still connected to IRC most of the time - whether I'm here or not is a different story. (Coldfront became the Airlock and quickly went downhill, and at any rate nobody uses IRC anymore anyway.)