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[quote name='Derantol' date='26 May 2010 - 07:06 PM' timestamp='1274864778' post='2312236'] I actually have full confidence that The Codex means a lot to them; they interpret it differently than we do, but they stick to what they see. The difference is, as was pointed out a few posts ago, no one in IRON trusts Gramlins; and without a trust of Gramlins, we can't trust any internal documents they present to us. That said, as I recall, you were recently in Gramlins? I suppose you would know better than I. [/quote] I was in Gre up untill recently. you would be correct. They will interpret the codex to suit the current day.

I can honestly say that The Codex means absolutly nothing to Gre, they are just hiding behind it. Oh and I do believe Gre will not sign anything that is classed as a treaty.

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[quote name='Alfred von Tirpitz' date='22 May 2010 - 07:46 PM' timestamp='1274521542' post='2307871'] Good luck and congratulations. Question: Is there a minimum period before a Tartarus that has been demoted to Sheol can be expelled? Or it is instantaneous? [/quote] It will be a case by case basis. Someone may not deserve the Tartarus rank but may still be entitled to Sheol. It will all depend.

Oh it's you Sirwill, like our DoE, I think it's damn sexy

Yea I did Bob

We all hope this goes well, we are confident in our abilities

[center][img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/wenwillthisend/Helll/122c5qf.jpg[/img] If Hell Had a Capital City, It Would Be Hellion The time has come to throw open the gates. That time is now. The gates to Hellion are now open. This day brings new hope to Bob, the hope that hell can be seen in the light it is meant to. For far too long we have laid dormant and slept, well today we sleep no more. We rise and ask you to join us in a new venture to bring this planet the alliance it needs. The alliance you have asked for without knowing it. Today we bring you Hellion. [quote]Preamble Hellion is comprised of members that share the same goal and the same principles We are united and serve each other to the best of our ablilities. We are sworn to protect each other and to uphold the law sancitity honour and trust instilled on each member. Though we come from many walks of life, we shall serve as one to protect the things we value most. Article I: Membership A. Applications for membership may be made by any player by creating an application thread on our forums, following the proper template. B. Applicants will be asked a series of questions by all current members, both in their forum thread and on IRC, before a vote is held to determine membership. C. An informal vote amongst the Triumvirate will take place, with 2 out of 3 votes needed to obtain membership. Article II: Member Ranks A. There are three ranks within Hellion, reflecting member seniority, activity, and contribution: 1. Recruit - This rank is for all members who have joined the alliance within the last 2 weeks. Accepted applicants will be masked as recruits for a period of 2 weeks, and then will be masked as a Sheol unless the Triumvirate makes a 2/3 decision for the member to remain a recruit. A unanimous decision of the Triumvirate can allow an accepted applicant to skip this rank upon acceptance. 2. Sheol - This rank is the standard rank of a Hellion member. All base members are eligible to run for government and to be considered for deputy positions. 3. Tartarus - This rank is for active, dedicated members of Hellion who have had their contributions recognized. Any Tartarus must show exceptional activity on the forums and IRC, and have contributed greatly to the overall well-being of the alliance. Tartarus have access to more sensitive information than do Sheol, and act as an informal advisory committee for the Triumvirate. B. Promotions and Demotions 1. To be promoted from a Sheol to a Tartarus, that member must first nominate his/her self for promotion, and then be interviewed by the Triumvirate and all current Tartarus. To be promoted, a nominee must have the support of at least 2/3 Triumvirs and a majority of Tartarus. 2. Any Sheol elected to the Triumvirate is automatically promoted to Tartarus, and retains that rank when their term expires. 3. To be demoted from Tartarus, a unanimous decision of the Triumvirate and a majority of Tartarus not including the candidate for demotion is required. C. Expulsion 1. Any Sheol can be expelled with a unanimous decision of the Triumvirate. 2. A Tartarus must first be demoted via the proper procedure to be expelled. Article III: Government A. The Triumvirate is made of three specialized positions, one in Foreign Affairs (the Nergal), one in Internal Affairs (the Kisin), and one in Military ( the Abaddon). Each of the triumvirs has broad authority over all alliance matters, but is primarily engaged in the day-to-day operations of their respective areas. 1. All Triumvirs serve 3 month terms. Elections are to be held at the beginning of each month, with one Triumvir spot up for election on a rotating basis each election. Any member rank Sheol or higher may declare candidacy for a Triumvir spot up for election. The candidate nomination and campaign phase will last 72 days, followed by 48 days of voting. 2. All members have 1 vote in all polls, including elections. At the conclusion of an election, if the vote is tied, there will be a run-off between the two tied candidates, lasting 24 hours. If this vote ends, in a tie, the member more seniority wins. 3. In the event that a Triumvir steps down during his/her term, the remaining Triumvirs select a member from amongst the Tartarus to serve the remainder of the term. B. The Nergal - The Nergal is the Triumvir of Foreign Affairs, and is charged with creating and maintaining communications with other alliances. The Nergal has the authority to negotiate treaties on behalf of the alliance, but must obtain approval from at least one other Triumvir before a treaty can be signed. C. The Kisin - The Kisin is the Triumvir of Internal Affairs, and is charged with running internal growth programs and handling the membership. The Kisin has the authority to initiate and terminate programs at his/her discretion. D. The Abaddon - The Abaddon is the Triumvir of the Military, and is charged with organizing and commanding the military of the alliance during wartime, and maintaining the military capability of the alliance during peacetime. The Abaddon does not have the power to declare war on behalf of the alliance, except with the consent of the other two Triumvirs. E. A Triumvir can be removed from his post by a vote, with a 75% majority of the alliance vote needed to remove a Triumvir. A vote to remove a Triumvir must last at least 48 hours, and can be initiated by any member of rank Tartarus. F. Any Triumvir can designate up to 3 members to serve as his/her deputies, to assist them in any way they see fit. These members will not be given higher access to sensitive information than their rank allows without the express consent of the all Triumvirs. Article IV: War A. An alliance war may only be declared by a unanimous decision of the Triumvirate. B. Peace terms must be approved by at least 2/3 of the Triumvirate before they are offered or accepted. C. Nuclear weapons are there to be used. Consider this your only warning. Article V: Empowerment A. Any powers not explicitly restricted in this charter are granted to the Triumvirate. All alliance policy will be enacted by the Triumvirate as they see fit. B. This charter may only be modified by an alliance vote, with a 66% majority needed to amend any article.[/quote] http://hellion.co.cc/ We can be found at #hellion Signed: wenwillthisend Nergal Alekhine Kisin So please join us in celebrating this awesome day.[/center]

[quote name='Ojiras Ajeridas' date='20 May 2010 - 06:34 AM' timestamp='1274301275' post='2303656'] I think this is a quite natural behaviour by a long time ally. The only thing that would concern me is that the people not following Ramirus' path don't try to turn the alliance around but simply leave that alliance. gRAMlins is down on 35 members now, and I do have serious doubts that there is still somebody left willing to stand up against Ramirus actions inside gRAMlins. So, I think MHA should realize that gRAMlins will be lead for a long time by Ram.... and if you don't agree with him, you should realize that it will be a long time that MHA won't agree with gRAMlins. And that's not a very good thing between allies. In my opinion, the only possibility for gRAMlins to survive this is a turnaround. Just to finish this strange thing. At the moment I just don't see it happen. And I don't see it happen in the next future. [/quote] The people that oppose Ram have left the alliance. There is no-one left in Gre that opposes him, they are all his puppets now. At the last election more members stood up and said no more but it was not enough. Gre is doomed

[quote name='ChairmanHal' date='19 May 2010 - 12:17 AM' timestamp='1274192223' post='2302143'] Someone should perhaps direct them to [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=79461&view=findpost&p=2139526"]Gramlins DoW on IRON[/url], eh? Since no violation of terms could be said to have occurred, Gramlins supporters should be invited to sit quietly afterward. EDIT: I mean it would be a simple matter of finding the names of the former FH members and sending them a very polite note, saluting their valor, giving them the link, and suggesting they go to the forums and see for themselves. Nothing more or less. [color="#C0C0C0"]bathala bino Sheba ares15281 han fei zi Emperor Mikhail Rijmun Caesar southsidehood08 Stargirl tindahan ni arnel Libid21 frickazoid Lakan PhilippineEagle Tedqu Lasan Ricky Maru[/color] I'm in no way encouraging anyone to do that by the way. [/quote] Just a quick note there, Han Fei zi was not FH, he is and was Gre before the merge

[quote name='Fallen_Fool' date='22 April 2010 - 04:36 PM' timestamp='1271918173' post='2270438'] Don't let your facts or logic get in the way of trashing Gremlins! [/quote] But I wish too, it is about time really

Can I just ask, do we have a valid CB against RnR, BAPS, The Legion, NSO, Lone Ninja, SNAFU, AGW Overlords, PC and Alpha Omega? Considering they have and are aiding IRON. Or did you forget to look at IRON's aid Birlow?

[quote name='ironchef' date='21 April 2010 - 05:02 PM' timestamp='1271833321' post='2268964'] Ok so you know what is going on or you don’t. If you work with [i]“the person that can give said permission”[/i] then you should know the answer to my question. After all you are [i]“a very active member that asks alot of question to the people that have answers and actually get answers”[/i] Or is it more like I said that “you don’t know Jack” and just like to come here and act like you do? I’m still looking for you to answer my question Mr. well informed guy. [/quote] I did answer, you just don't like the answer I gave. It's that simple. I cannot tell you what will happen as I am not .gov therefore it is not upto me to say.

[quote name='bigwoody' date='21 April 2010 - 04:34 PM' timestamp='1271831627' post='2268931'] You. Just. Did. "Good lord. In every single major war ever, there were instances of tech dealing to alliances at war. In 100% of those cases, it's been the business of the aggrieved party (in the case of Gre's tech deals, that'd be IRON) to deal with it. IRON can choose to attack the alliances on this list or their friends and allies can come and cry on the forums about it while IRON does absolutely nothing. Apparently, it's option two. None of the rest of your side can do jack squat, as you all signed agreements not to reenter the war. [b]If IRON isn't going to do anything about it, I promise, no one really cares.[/b] Can you folks please do your hurring and your durring in private where you'll have the validation you seem to so desperately need?" Bolded the most obvious instance, but that whole ramble was basically a long winded "Do Something About It" [/quote] But he never uttered the actual words "Do Something About It"

[quote name='ironchef' date='21 April 2010 - 04:30 PM' timestamp='1271831435' post='2268928'] You didn’t answer my questions so I will ask it again. What if they don’t ask? What is Grämlins going to do about it? [/quote] That is up to the Coclave to decide not me. You should go and ask them. [quote]Speaking of stupid, is that what is afflicting your government, given that they themselves seem ill-equipped to explain what their own "Unconditional Surrender" term means?[/quote] It's like every Gov on Bob, they choose what they want known and what they don't. If the rest of Bob want's to post about elections and other boring stuff then that is upto them. But just because a Gov decides not to post something does not mean they are stupid or can't explain, it just means they really don't want to post.

Thanks for the disclaimer, but please don't make yourself look so stupid by trying to insult me like that. Won't work as I would never lower myself to the general stupidity that is The Peanut Gallery.

No, I just find it funny that you all think that we are important enough to have so many threads about, keeps me smiling, it really does

[quote name='ironchef' date='21 April 2010 - 04:15 PM' timestamp='1271830510' post='2268906'] And what if they don’t ask? What is going to do about it? They know if they stay they will see ZI like the rest of you, so it’s not like being put on some list of a dead alliance is a worry for them at this point. You may think you know who and what but you don’t know jack. Just call me Dr. Kevorkian. At least they will die with dignity and honor and not with the likes of you. [/quote] I do find it funny that you think I seem to know jack about what is actually happening in my alliance. Considering I am the one in GRE and not you and that I am a very active member that asks alot of question to the people that have answers and actually get answers, seems to me you really have no idea

[quote name='mitchh' date='21 April 2010 - 04:07 PM' timestamp='1271830033' post='2268900'] I never said it was wrong or right. Tech helps in war. Tech is purchased from tech deals. Tech sellers help you in war. [/quote] Then really what is the problem? We are not breaking any rules and we are playing well within the rules Admin set up for this game. Are you just upset that we are seen to be taking advantage of Admins rules? Bigwoody, that fails to explain how I am apparently getting all misty-eyed

[quote name='bigwoody' date='21 April 2010 - 04:05 PM' timestamp='1271829913' post='2268899'] No, you're not. My opinion is that your alliance can burn in hell. The fact is the terms you are asking for are ridiculous.[/quote] I do feel the same way about TORN, I really do. I am glad we have a mutual feeling here, makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. To you and alot of others in the peanut gallery sure, why not. I find your alliance ridiculous but I will not make thread after thread about it. [quote] Okay, we will do that. If you'll survive, why are you getting all misty-eyed? [/quote] Please explain how I am getting all misty-eyed, I am so dying to know this. When it comes to this thread and all the other threads about us and how we are idiots and such it is quite simple. Put up or shut up.

I am in every position to say what is right. The fact that most of CN thinks we are in the wrong is just opinion not fact. The fact that needless threads are being made every day or 2 about us stems from boredom and sheer ignorance. Stop selling us tech, we will still survive. This thread just adds to the unimportant in this forum. It's made to seem that people are trying to stop this war. The whole "we can't fight GRE to help IRON cause we are stuck in terms" routine is getting boring so someone makes a thread like this to feel helpful.

[quote name='mitchh' date='21 April 2010 - 03:28 PM' timestamp='1271827693' post='2268867'] It's been established that selling tech to someone indirectly supports their war. [/quote] Established by who? you? The CN Police? Just because a few people say something does not make it law or right

Yup, and the only reason I know is cause they need to get permission to leave during war and I work with the person that can give said permission

[quote name='bigwoody' date='21 April 2010 - 12:33 PM' timestamp='1271817203' post='2268612'] You're aiding an alliance at war, how is that not support? [/quote] Actually they are selling us Tech, aiding would be sending us money or tech and not getting anything in return. This thread is useless

[quote name='ironchef' date='21 April 2010 - 11:44 AM' timestamp='1271814273' post='2268541'] I have done something. I sent a PM out to all Grämlins members telling them the truth about what is being done. I have pointed some to this thread and sent some to talk to IRON and DAWN gov members. Because of the gift of sight Grämlins members have left and others are on the way out. Because of terms this is all I can do. To me 6 members walking out is better than a 8k tech WRC nuke. I wish there was more I could do to help Grämlins government see the wrong in this. The PM’s I have sent yielded better results than any attacks ever could. [img]http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u11/ironchef_GGA/nothappymember-1.jpg[/img] [img]http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u11/ironchef_GGA/gramMSG-1.jpg[/img] [img]http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u11/ironchef_GGA/gramPM.jpg[/img] [/quote] Sending ingame pm's is all well and good but I kinda feel asleep halfway through reading it, I got bored. As for the replies you got, we know who has left and who is leaving after this war so why not just leave the senders name on there for all to see.