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[quote name='Bob Ilyani' date='21 May 2010 - 10:13 AM' timestamp='1274397172' post='2305930'] [font=Arial, Verdana, Tahoma, sans-serif]So we can take them down together? Alright. You guys have fun.[/font] [/quote] You are welcome to try, though the last thing I remember Nemesis bringing down was the average IQ of this world.

Good to see this released. o/ NPO o/ Olympus

[quote name='Banksy' date='21 May 2010 - 08:34 AM' timestamp='1274391227' post='2305745'] A little odd to remove a combatant from the 'total' NS simply because they were on both sides. I mean, they still fought the war. Keeping them off the individual sides, sure, but 'total'? [/quote] I see your point, but it is largely secondary to the point Letum was making, unless Polar had over 33M NS to put UJW2 over the top.

[quote name='Chief Savage Man' date='21 May 2010 - 03:38 AM' timestamp='1274373482' post='2305291'] NPO did the UJW to preserve the top spot. c/d [/quote] D. I'm pretty sure the first one was Polar too.

[quote name='Starfox101' date='21 May 2010 - 02:57 AM' timestamp='1274371021' post='2305228'] I'd aim to maximize damage to the forces attacking me, rather than keeping nations in peace mode for the post-war period. I would fight with full force and make them regret their decision. Obviously, I'm not an economist. [/quote] lol, I think we see why I guess both strategies have their uses in certain situations.

[quote name='Starfox101' date='21 May 2010 - 02:45 AM' timestamp='1274370285' post='2305213'] I guess I just subscribe to the logic that any nation with a sizable NS is a bank nation. [/quote] Fair enough, but that begs the question of what should happen if you are embroiled in a war long enough to destroy most of your nations infra and expend their warchests.

[quote name='Starfox101' date='21 May 2010 - 02:38 AM' timestamp='1274369903' post='2305199'] Banks are retarded in this day and age. [/quote] Our bank has been reorganized, incorporating lessons learned from the Karma war. I can't speak for other alliances, but our bank provides an excellent and much appreciated service to our members. It is due to the banks that we were able to recover enough to meet our deadline to start sending tech once terms were signed. So no, our bank is not retarded.

[quote name='ShinRa' date='21 May 2010 - 02:29 AM' timestamp='1274369354' post='2305182'] Apparently sold off to so your larger nations willing to fight would have larger warchests and be out of range of nuclear armed nations. Either that or the mass of members and ghosts who fled during that war. [/quote] This theory of yours has been disproved many times. Our banks stayed in peacemode. Everyone else fought all the way down, occasionally cycling through peacemode in order to restock and reload, escape anarchy and collect. I personally spent 6 days in peacemode during the war. To say that all our big nations hid is pure falsehood.

I'm not going to get into all this again with you ShinRa. I will say though that in war in this world there comes a point for everyone where you cannot lose anything more. Our resources are finite, we all eventually reach zero infra and zero tech if fighting long enough. So to say that we know nothing of losing everything in a war and still fighting is a bit disingenuous, I think you'll find that a lot of Pacifican nations were ZI'd if not ZT'd. FAN certainly fought longer than we did, and may have lost other things, but material resources of their nations is not really one of them, considering we all hit that same end point.

[quote name='silentkiller' date='21 May 2010 - 12:44 AM' timestamp='1274363037' post='2305059'] Well now time to start ruining the game again [/quote] We may have to fight \m/ for the privilege, I hear they've taken over that gig while we were out of action.

[quote name='LJ Scott' date='21 May 2010 - 12:13 AM' timestamp='1274361219' post='2305029'] It doesn't really displease me, it is after all a nice grouping. [/quote] Ah, the tried and true meme response. I guess that means we're finished here?

[quote name='Hadrian' date='20 May 2010 - 11:43 PM' timestamp='1274359382' post='2304993'] Well it's about damn time... Get your show on the road, NPO. [img]http://forums.cybernations.net/public/style_emoticons/default/emot-v.gif[/img] o/ [/quote] What if we're used to our spectator seats? They're pretty comfy.

[quote name='Bob Janova' date='20 May 2010 - 11:39 PM' timestamp='1274359153' post='2304985'] Technically yes, but we haven't signed any for a long time, and nor has anyone else. [/quote] Below wasn't signed [i]that[/i] long ago.

[quote name='Bob Janova' date='20 May 2010 - 11:25 PM' timestamp='1274358289' post='2304967'] Pretty much expected, but I'm surprised you've gone with an MADP in the modern world. No-one can claim TPF have been anything other than solid friends to NPO so I think everyone was expecting a treaty similar to this. [/quote] Doesn't VE still hold a MADP with GOD?

[quote name='Cortath' date='20 May 2010 - 10:59 PM' timestamp='1274356748' post='2304948'] Thank you for the many kind comments and congratulations. It is a great day to be a Pacifican. For those of you who seem less excited (i.e. ShinRa), let me ask you a question: Do you like tea? I like tea. Usually earl grey double bergamot, with a touch of baby blood. Why don't you come over and drink tea with me? I will even ask the servers not to put baby blood in your tea, for I am a gentleman. [/quote] Emperor Cortath serves tea with his guests at heart?

[quote name='LJ Scott' date='20 May 2010 - 10:20 PM' timestamp='1274354429' post='2304910'] Bitter? More confused that you actually seem to believe what you're saying. The Pacifican boogeyman can come if he likes. I think it's his turn to get back at me now anyways [/quote] We learnt a great lesson from the Karma war, the most valuable friends and allies are the ones that will back you with whatever they have, come what may. We have no want of fair weather friends, and we know that none of these alliances are fair weather friends, in fact quite the opposite. That is why we signed these treaties. We know that we can rely on their support should we need it. I'm sorry our choice of friends displeases you, but then we were never here to build our policies around pleasing you.

[quote name='Sargun' date='20 May 2010 - 09:39 PM' timestamp='1274351959' post='2304860'] This is most excellent news. [/quote] I couldn't agree more. Glad to finally be able to officially work with Red Dawn for our mutual prosperity.

[quote name='LJ Scott' date='20 May 2010 - 10:04 PM' timestamp='1274353452' post='2304895'] Dependable and reliable? Not words that come to mind for NATO. But I guess you gotta scrape back what you can of your old power base, even if it's just meatshields. [/quote] You seem bitter, LJ. Yes, we are confident in our allies abilities. That worried about the Pacifican boogeyman you're already bringing out the 'power base' and 'meatshield' cards? Jealous you didn't get a treaty offer?

[quote name='LJ Scott' date='20 May 2010 - 09:48 PM' timestamp='1274352493' post='2304875'] Such a solid power base with NATO and co. [/quote] We are happy with our FA choices. All our allies are solid and reliable. We know we can depend on them, and we will burn for them if necessary.

[quote name='ShinRa' date='20 May 2010 - 09:38 PM' timestamp='1274351891' post='2304859'] But it is both cowardly and dishonest. Once or twice in attacking a weak enemy I could understand, but not constantly. Nor can I forgive constantly fighting far weaker alliances who would be unable to put up a decent fight even at full strength. And there is a difference between having an a network of alliances and having half the game hold down an enemy while Pacifica kicks them in the nuts. [/quote] Dishonest? I don't see how that could possibly be construed as dishonest. I can see your argument about weaker enemies, but that is hardly our fault. For a long time in our past we were the strongest alliance. Attacking [i]anyone[/i] would have been attacking somebody weaker. If an alliance acts aggressively towards us, are we supposed to say 'Oh, its ok, you're small, you just keep right on doing what you're doing buddy'. Every alliance has the right of self-defense. Perhaps you have an issue with how that used that right in practice, but that's not what you said. We hardly had half the world holding down our enemies, we deployed a large enough force to defeat the opposition. We could have deployed far more had we chosen, in most cases. If you want to have a discussion, it would be helpful if you could refrain from speaking in hyperbole.

[quote name='Earogema' date='20 May 2010 - 09:23 PM' timestamp='1274351020' post='2304842'] Hm, 600+ members with one of the higher NS totals already. I suppose they'll just be more of you to beat back down In all seriousness, I'd like to see where the NPO goes from here. [/quote] [quote name='Cataduanes' date='20 May 2010 - 09:24 PM' timestamp='1274351034' post='2304843'] Sincere congratz Pacifica. [/quote] [quote name='aaannndddyyy' date='20 May 2010 - 09:35 PM' timestamp='1274351709' post='2304853'] Congratulations Pacifica [/quote] Thanks guys, much appreciated.

[quote name='ShinRa' date='20 May 2010 - 09:24 PM' timestamp='1274351077' post='2304844'] No, what I want is for either your nation rulers to reform into individuals who can at least pass themsleves off as respectable members of the human race rather than cowards and scum, or for you to disband and die out. The latter is the more likely of the two to happen. As for attacking newbie nations; that shows just how little you comprehend of the others who have faced you. Unlike you I do not attack those unable to put up a fair fight, nor do I require half the game to fight for me when attacking other alliances. And still far less than is required for your crimes. By that same logic I could state that not a single member of your Order has ever stated a truthful comment in their life as a result of speaking a single lie. [/quote] Cowards and scum would not have withstood 3 months of attack by 15 alliances, or over 9 months of terms sending 10B and 350,000 tech. Every one of our comrades that stayed with us during this time has shown their loyalty and commitment to Pacifica. We are not here because we were number 1 in the rankings, we are here because we are Pacifican, this is our home, and we will stay here come what may. Think what you want of us, but cowards isn't something that holds any truth. You tried to make us fold, make us disband. You failed. We are here. We are strong. We are proud. We are Pacifica.

[quote name='ShinRa' date='20 May 2010 - 09:11 PM' timestamp='1274350286' post='2304826'] Why? The only thing you deserve for all you have done is to be wiped out and your alliance disbanded. Letting you surrender was a mistake. As for the 'propoganda piece' I was simply remarking that for all of your moaning, !@#$%*ing and screaming of how bad you have it; you have done far worse to others. [/quote] Ah, ShinRa. If alliances could be disbanded through vitriol, you'd be a dangerous man. I don't remember a lot of moaning and screaming. If simple statement of facts is screaming we'd all be deaf after spending a minute in this avenue.

[quote name='AlmightyGrub' date='20 May 2010 - 09:06 PM' timestamp='1274349969' post='2304818'] Congratulations Pacifica. I look forward to the return of Order [/quote] Thankyou Grub. It was a hard road, but the commitment and determination of our comrades got us through.

[quote name='Jens of the desert' date='20 May 2010 - 07:57 PM' timestamp='1274345857' post='2304775'] I don't think you deserve this, but there you go. I still applaud your solidarity and how you were able to get through the terms which was a better fate than some of your adversaries received. [/quote] You don't think we deserve to be released from terms after completing all the obligations imposed by those terms? Ok...