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I have not received a monetary bonus for logging into the game today. The last bonus according to the activity tab is for 31st December.
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My opponent returned my deployment at the same time when I was launching ground attack. According to the messages (which I post below), one ground attack happened one second after my deployment was returned.
QuoteTo: murtibing From: razgriz24 Date: 10/21/2018 11:58:31 PM
Subject: Forces Returned Home
Message: razgriz24 has attempted to attack your nation with overwhelming ground forces with battle odds greater than 95%. What troops you had deployed have been automatically returned home to prepare your defenses. If your opponent maintains greater than 95% battle odds and attempts to attack you further today you will not be able to retain any tanks that you may purchase. To avoid automatic redeployment of your forces in the future you must keep enough defending forces to maintain adequate defenses at all times.
QuoteTo: razgriz24 From: murtibing Date: 10/21/2018 11:58:32 PM
Subject: Battle Report
Message: You have been attacked by murtibing.
You lost 0 soldiers and 144 tanks. You killed 0 soldiers and 0 tanks. Their forces razed 0.000 miles of your land, stole 0.000 technology, and destroyed 0.000 infrastructure. Their forces looted $0.00 from you and you gained $1,007,200.00 in your enemy's abandoned equipment.
In the end the battle was a Victory. Any existing peace offers that were on the table have been automatically canceled.
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Actually, Kaskus is at war with many more alliances.
Kaskus is one of the alliances from SPATR Coalition (SPATR, MONGOLS, Kaskus) which is at war with Oculus Coalition (NPO, IRON, Umbrella, VE, GLoF, DT, NG). SPATR-Oculus war started on 15th March 2016 and it is still ongoing. I also took part in this war (I was a member of MONGOLS and SPATR), although I was only fighting for one year and four months.
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On 11/11/2017 at 1:31 AM, Hime Themis said:
So to repeat for the slow learners if this was a war it would have been fought differently, since this is a revenge run it was not. Sigh
Revenge can be a goal of the war, but I don't see why it would affect the tactical decisions.
Out of curiosity, why did you decide to turtle? I was in similar situation, but with much less tech (I only had 63k tech when the SPATR-Oculus war started) and I haven't turtled at all. I am suprised that you are using this tactic in spite of your large tech advantage.
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Today I was attacked with three spy operations.
Here are the messages:
QuoteTo: murtibing From: Unknown Sender Date: 11/12/2017 10:20:45 AM
Subject: Spy Operation Attack
Message: A spy operation has been launched against your nation. The attacking spies were given the following order: Infiltrate Threat Advisory Systems. In the attack your counter intelligence systems prevailed and managed to thwart the attack although we are not sure who launched this attack.
QuoteTo: murtibing From: Tetron Firestorm Date: 11/12/2017 10:21:02 AM
Subject: Spy Operation Attack
Message: A spy operation has been launched against your nation. In the attack the enemy spies targeted your threat advisory systems and managed to change your threat advisory to a level of: Low. In the attack your counter spies managed to kill 20 enemy spies and the identity of the attacker has been publicly revealed.
QuoteTo: murtibing From: Unknown Sender Date: 11/12/2017 10:21:59 AM
Subject: Spy Operation Attack
Message: A spy operation has been launched against your nation. In the attack the enemy spies targeted your Internal Revenue Services (IRS) and managed to change your national tax rate to a level of 28%. Your attacker was able to return home unharmed and unidentified.
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On 8/13/2017 at 6:46 AM, AL Bundy said:
Can't be in every war .. pretty pathetic if you try to insert yourself in them when they don't involve your alliance or allies don't request assistance....
Al
I don't agree with this.
If allies need help, defending them is never "pathetic", even if they did not request assistance.
For example, SPATR did not request assistance from their allies after being attacked by multiple alliances in March 2016. Despite this, all SPATR allies defended them. That was not "pathetic". That was honourable. That was the right thing to do.
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On 3/23/2017 at 10:21 PM, eejack said:
No offense, Bones was a raging headcase, but I have a lot of respect for the commitment you folks have shown for your cause. I wonder if we will be able to show that same commitment.
I am doing the modified turtle now - nuke, air, cm and naval attacks for XP - spy attacks I kill as many generals and screw with as many collections as possible. I wonder how much XP I have removed from the game so far, between assassinations and folks selling off their generals before I get them. I really take minimal tech damage every day so I suspect I as I fall through the tiers I will be able to sustain my tech a bit longer and I can reach easier spy targets as my range gets to softer targets. In some respects it is quite liberating now that the uppers can no longer do a thing to me. Is just another side of the card.
I never turtled during this war. I don't like this tactic. However some opponents from Oculus turtled against me.
Anyway, a member of NPO divulged (in the other thread) that you had 30bil at the start of the war. With such a war chest it is best to stay in the middle tier.
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On 3/17/2017 at 5:42 PM, Duderonomy said:
The clout that BONES once gave you. Deny it if you like. But the rage quit says otherwise.
I'm not aware of any cases of rage quit in SPATR or MONGOLS.
On 3/17/2017 at 8:41 PM, Haflinger said:I've never thought admission of defeat terms are worth fighting for - or about. The only terms that matter are the ones that affect your nations. So if that's all this war is still about, I think both Oculus and SPATR are silly for fighting about an irrelevant term.
I think Oculus simply wants to "win" this war.
SPATR wants to uphold their principles.
And MONGOLS continues to fight to help defend our friends (SPATR and their allies) who were aggressively attacked by Oculus.
On 3/18/2017 at 4:31 PM, malazar said:Keep up the good work. I know, on the occasion I have been fighting an Oculus victim along with a member of your coalition, they have always been good partners and quite motivated to continue the fight indefinitely.
I have a lot of respect for TPF. You are great warriors.
On 3/21/2017 at 0:38 AM, eejack said:I am not doing serious damage except for killing generals and chunks of tech/infra/land from nukes but am also doing so without any real additional damage to my nation. I can understand why some folks can war for years without qualm.
You still have over 30k tech. At that stage, I was also mainly doing damage with nukes (and aircraft), whilst my damage output from ground attacks was relatively small (although I didn't turtle during this war at all). The situation gradually changed as my tech level dropped. During the last 9 months I have been fighting in the middle tier and conventional damage contributes a lot to my damage output.
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There's no point in making a counter-offer. Oculus is clear about their intentions.
6 hours ago, Duderonomy said:You're probably right about this. Pretending that SPATR wants peace is disingenuous at this point. They've lost what they really valued
And what would that be?
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One year anniversary of the start of SPATR-Oculus war
SPATR-Oculus war started exactly one year ago, on 15th March 2016. On that day large coalition, mostly composed of alliances assembled in Oculus bloc, started to attack alliance MONGOLS and alliance Swash Plates And Tail Rotors. Subsequently, all allies of SPATR entered the war in defence of SPATR. To this day, Kaskus, Nusantara Elite Warriors and The Imperial Remnant remain involved in the war.
For a long time, there was no communication regarding peace between SPATR and Oculus coalition. Eventually, in November 2016 Oculus coalition dispatched peace offer to the SPATR coalition. They demanded surrender of all alliances in the SPATR coalition. This demand was refused.
And so the war continues.
MONGOLS would like to thank all those who were fighting alongside us during this year.
Signed,
Senate and people of MONGOLS -
Congratulations to The A Team!
On 2/12/2017 at 4:21 AM, Immortan Junka said:If PoSSE is trying to split the alliance between two AAs to limit backlash, all I can say there is that it doesn't really work looking at what happened with SPATR/Mongols.
SPATR wasn't trying to "split the alliance between two AAs to limit backlash". There was no decision by SPATR leadership to split the alliance in order to conduct a war (such decision would require leadership unanimity). In March 2016 those who wanted to start a war left SPATR and created their own AA (MONGOLS). The members who left did so on their own accord. The main leader of SPATR didn't take part in this plan.
The situation changed when both MONGOLS and SPATR were attacked by Oculus. After that happened, membership rights and leadership positions of those who left were restored.
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3 hours ago, Devialance said:
Look at what happened to Bones, ok i know he was quitting but how many of their allies came to support them after finding out the odds they face?I understand that you are referring to Bones personal allies and not SPATR allies, but nonetheless let's not forget that:
At the time of the attack (March this year) SPATR had three allies: Kaskus, NEW and MInc (almost the same as now, except MInc is now Minc Reborn).
All three of them helped SPATR by countering Oculus and their subsidiaries.
Kaskus and NEW are still fighting against Oculus.
MInc made a peace deal with Oculus (after fighting for a long time), but they asked SPATR whether SPATR would be OK with it before making this deal.
Bones had personal treaties with some DBDC members (e.g. with Cuba). I didn't know specifics of those agreements. In any case, I didn't expect them to help and they didn't help. The only exception was one member of DBDC who helped MONGOLS. But he had been SPATR member in the past.
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Notification of treaty reestablishment
The undersigned alliances would like to announce the following:
1. Alliance Swash Plates And Tail Rotors and alliance MONGOLS recognize alliance Monsters Inc Reborn as the successor to the original Monsters Inc alliance.
2. Swash Plates And Tail Rotors and Monsters Inc Reborn agree to reestablish Peace, Intelligence and Aid Treaty between Monsters Inc and Swash Plates And Tail Rotors as originally announced on 17th September 2015.
3. Swash Plates And Tail Rotors and Monsters Inc Reborn also agree that provisions of the aforementioned treaty shall be interpreted in such a way as to give grounds to military cooperation and support.
4. The aforementioned treaty comes into force upon posting of this announcement.
Signed for Monsters Inc Reborn,Lord Hitchcock - Mike Wasowski
M Inc Reborn
Signed for Swash Plates And Tail Rotors,Sgt Gus - Main Rotor Blade
Murtibing - Grand Inquisiteur, Minister of War
Fasser - Berserker Brigade
Lord von Manteuffel - Executive Officer
Nashorn - Legionnaire
Signed for MONGOLS,Senate and people of MONGOLS
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First of all, SPATR doesn't "demand" or "expect" that Oculus Coalition will offer peace.
My statements here (that Oculus Coalition hasn't offered peace) were simply statements of fact. I have pointed this out merely because some people were talking how SPATR "refused" something. Whereas nothing was offered so nothing was refused.
Besides, I don't see why it is considered so important which side will be the first to extend a peace offer. It's not important for SPATR or MONGOLS in any case.
And as far as attacking nations without wonders is concerned: In the beginning of this war Oculus Coalition sent nations equipped with almost all wonders against nations with only a few economic wonders or no wonders at all. So now SPATR Coalition is merely returning the favor.
On 11/18/2016 at 1:38 PM, Blackatron said:Spending only $3 billion over 8 months? That seems a bit low.
Fermion posted only amount without specifying whose war chest it is. I guess he was referring to Sgt Gus' war chest. In the beginning of this war Sgt Gus told me his war chest was 14bil, which coincides with amount posted by Fermion. So 3bil spent is reasonable, especially if one takes into account that Sgt Gus was sending large amounts of foreign aid during this war.
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As of yesterday (15th November) exactly 8 months passed since the start of the SPATR-Oculus war. To celebrate this occasion, three of my opponents from Oculus were featured on yesterday's "Top 7 Day Smallest Nation Gains" list (on 2nd, 3rd and 4th position):
QuoteTop 7 Day Smallest Nation Gains
1. -35,860 Strength Change - DEATHSTALKER of DEATHSTALKER - Maroon Team
2. -12,063 Strength Change - Lelouche9807 of BrittaniaXV - Green Team
3. -11,697 Strength Change - Itzcoliuhqui of Firelands - Red Team
4. -11,637 Strength Change - ionis of Aracour - Orange Team
5. -11,611 Strength Change - davemcc of Zoeville - Blue TeamMany of my opponents were featured on this list over the years, but I think it is first time when three nations at war with me appeared on this list at the same time.
On 11/7/2016 at 2:32 AM, Haflinger said:Yeah I think they've been pretty clear that they're waiting until you actually sue for peace.
Only IRON official has spoken in this regard. But it seems other alliances assembled in Oculus Coalition have similar stance.
I think it is not very relevant who will be the first to extend a peace offer.
And, for the record, SPATR and MONGOLS are not demanding that Oculus Coalition asks for peace. Any such demand would be unenforceable anyway.
BTW, strictly speaking one government official from Oculus alliance asked for peace. It was official from The Dark Templar. However, they only asked for peace for one of their members (Nisky), so it is not relevant for the war as whole.
On 11/13/2016 at 6:55 PM, Blackatron said:Bones is gone, hasn't everybody had enough now?
It seems that Oculus hasn't had enough of this war.
There is next to no advantage for Oculus to keep grinding down SPATR Coalition. At this point SPATR-Kaskus-NEW-TIR Sphere has effectively no external treaties. So grinding this Sphere down is like grinding down WTF or GPA.
That being said, Oculus has so huge statistical advantage, that it is not a big problem for them to continue this war for a long time. If we take into consideration individual nations, then some of them have taken noticeable loses, e.g Tundra Mountain (GLoF) went from 10k tech and 9bil war chest to 5k tech and 4.7bil war chest (before rebuilding) as the result of several wars against SPATR Coalition. However, if we take into consideration the whole coalition, their loses are only small percentage of their overall strength.
They also have vast aid capacity, which is very important. For example iSocialism (IRON) had 680mil war chest in April. Right now they are broke (since a few months). Another example is Niberia (IRON) which had 530mil in August and now they are broke as well. There are other nations in similar situation. It looks good for SPATR Coalition on paper, but the problem is Oculus just sends an endless stream of war aid to their members who don't have war chest. So the fact that some of their members have lost their war chests and are now broke doesn't really matter.
Even a relatively small alliance, like Sengoku, was able to provide a considerable amounts of aid. Prior to their disbandment, majority of Sengoku members below 70k NS were broke or very close. As far as I remember, Sengoku top tier was capable of sending large amounts of aid to their middle and lower tier.
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On 10/29/2016 at 9:12 PM, Blackatron said:
Ghosts of Doom?
Two members left MONGOLS and created their own alliance.
16 hours ago, Cazaric said:Given that they've been held to war for about eight months, can you really blame them? Ridiculous.
I guess that Oculus wants to continue this war until SPATR Coalition is defeated. In any case, SPATR and MONGOLS haven't received any peace offer from Oculus Coaliton so far.
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On 9/18/2016 at 9:42 PM, Haflinger said:
You're down at 22K, man.
The last 5 nations which were fighting against me:
1) Neo Ancient Greece (IRON) - currently at 1.6k tech, military wonders, 3.5bil war chest
2) My Hero Party (DT) - currently at 2.8k tech, military wonders, 4.8bil war chest, navy
3) Novasea (NPO) - currently at 5.3k tech, military wonders, 200mil war chest
4) RHLand (NPO) - currently at 7.9k tech, military wonders, less than 100mil war chest
5) Tundra Mountain (GLoF) - currently at 4.8k tech, military wonders, 5bil war chest, navyThese are their current tech levels (i.e. reduced due to the wars).
So like I said there is a lot of nations in Oculus which dropped down (or just were staying in lower ranges deliberately) and thus they have military wonders. In some cases they even have advantage in some areas, like working EMP or navy.
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On 9/12/2016 at 9:28 AM, noname said:
Thanks....but nothanks from me
this war is fun
22 hours ago, Prozenz said:Seconded.
I agree, this war is fun.
On 9/10/2016 at 10:57 PM, Blackatron said:But still thanks for the casualties list, and congrats getting to the top 10 I guess.
It would be interesting to see the stats of the damage inflicted as well. During this war I have destroyed over 77k tech and over 1 million of NS. I don't have such stats for anyone else though.
On 9/12/2016 at 11:33 PM, Haflinger said:they are now down in the NS range where fighting is going to be pretty lopsided in their favour.
This is incorrect. There is a lot of nations in Oculus that dropped down to lower NS ranges, due to this war and other wars. They have the military wonders and in many cases war chest and sometimes navy as well. There are also nations in Oculus alliances with military wonders that seem to be permanently staying in the low tier, even before this war. On top of that, enemies of SPATR Coalition are far more numerous and they have vast aid capacity at their disposal.
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Announcement regarding SPATR-Oculus War
The SPATR-Oculus war started on the 15th March. Swash Plates And Tail Rotors and MONGOLS were attacked by a large coalition of alliances, mostly form the Oculus bloc. All allies of Swash Plates And Tail Rotors (i.e. Kaskus, Nusantara Elite Warriors and Monsters Inc) defended SPATR against the Oculus Coalition. Afterwards, The Imperial Remnant (protectorate of Kaskus) was also attacked by the Oculus Coalition.
There are many things which can be said about this war. But one thing sums it all up:
Quote1. CubaQuerida
17,662,172 Attacking + 34,128,167 Defending = 51,790,339 Casualties2. Timmehhh
18,472,403 Attacking + 22,210,455 Defending = 40,682,858 Casualties3. ALFERALFER
14,173,031 Attacking + 17,523,919 Defending = 31,696,950 Casualties4. Coffee Shock
9,884,693 Attacking + 20,220,870 Defending = 30,105,563 Casualties5. Death from above 82
10,640,995 Attacking + 18,360,213 Defending = 29,001,208 Casualties6. gantanX
12,439,929 Attacking + 15,920,378 Defending = 28,360,307 Casualties7. Nashorn
8,756,748 Attacking + 16,765,785 Defending = 25,522,533 Casualties8. o ya baby
9,452,674 Attacking + 15,533,144 Defending = 24,985,818 Casualties9. konkrage1
8,671,529 Attacking + 15,848,722 Defending = 24,520,251 Casualties10. murtibing
8,493,743 Attacking + 15,150,862 Defending = 23,644,605 Casualties11. idiotbang
8,929,425 Attacking + 14,529,466 Defending = 23,458,891 Casualties12. Furious Purpose
8,121,054 Attacking + 14,177,088 Defending = 22,298,142 Casualties13. Artigo
6,557,462 Attacking + 14,986,542 Defending = 21,544,004 Casualties14. Vladimir Stukov II
7,630,306 Attacking + 13,487,373 Defending = 21,117,679 Casualties15. Jonesing
8,031,339 Attacking + 12,737,336 Defending = 20,768,675 Casualties16. RoadRash
8,548,251 Attacking + 11,758,910 Defending = 20,307,161 Casualties17. kingneptune
9,786,352 Attacking + 10,428,314 Defending = 20,214,666 Casualties18. Stewie
7,389,447 Attacking + 12,731,371 Defending = 20,120,818 Casualties19. White Majik
7,779,189 Attacking + 11,682,698 Defending = 19,461,887 Casualties20. Vespassianus
7,523,384 Attacking + 11,406,327 Defending = 18,929,711 Casualties21. Vol Navy
7,303,435 Attacking + 11,287,472 Defending = 18,590,907 Casualties22. untouchable
5,656,302 Attacking + 12,892,817 Defending = 18,549,119 Casualties23. Scytale
6,642,070 Attacking + 11,764,714 Defending = 18,406,784 Casualties24. Dark Lord
7,089,433 Attacking + 10,713,935 Defending = 17,803,368 Casualties25. Arcane
7,560,406 Attacking + 10,209,127 Defending = 17,769,533 CasualtiesThe names of members of alliances from SPATR Coalition are bolded.
I would also like to address one more thing.Recently there seems to be some confusion regarding why this war has been going on for close to 6 months.
So far neither Oculus Coaliton nor SPATR Coalition offered their opponents a peace treaty covering all alliances involved in the war.
Specifically, neither SPATR nor MONGOLS received any offer of peace treaty from Oculus Coalition.
And so the war continues.
Signed,
Murtibing - Minister of War of SPATR and MONGOLS
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Enjoy your retirement and good luck!
Monsters Inc are excellent allies and friends. Thanks for all the help which SPATR and MONGOLS received from you.
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On 7/13/2016 at 4:55 PM, The Warrior said:
Perhaps we can stop the whole "Oculus is keeping Mongols/SPATR at war indefinitely" talk then?
I haven't claimed that Oculus is keeping SPATR or MONGOLS at war indefinitely. I'm not privy to your plans.
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1 hour ago, Blackatron said:
I think the larger point is that multiple members of SPATR/MONGOLS are current or former members of Doombird Doomcave; Bones obviously was, and has been referred to as a member by TBRaiders long after last being on the AA, Commander Bean was obviously on the DBDC AA until recently, Timmehhh is/was obviously DBDC, given that his sig as "Minister of Wealth Redistribution" was on most things published by DBDC over the years. Zxcsd was also a Doombird at one point, and so were you, though obviously the last time your were on the AA Cuba attacked you for raiding the wrong person, so perhaps you are not on the best terms with them.
Given these connections, you must surely see why many see SPATR/MONGOLS is seen by some as sort of a splinter group of DBDC.
My only connection to DBDC before I joined SPATR was that I were on DBDC raid target list. After joining SPATR I ghosted DBDC AA a few times, but I were never their member in they way they define it (i.e. I didn't have access to their private venues of communication).
There are four ex-DBDC members in SPATR and MONGOLS, true. So what? How this makes SPATR and MONGOLS a part of Doom Sphere? In many alliances there are former members of different alliances.
I find it interesting that some people still connect us to DBDC, after the treaties were cancelled and even now, after members of Umbrella, DT and IRON who claim double membership in DBDC have fought against MONGOLS top tier (which includes ex-DBDC members). So do you think that DBDC was fighting itself?
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3 hours ago, James Spanier said:
And I'm referring to the entirety of doomsphere, including the one or two denominations (Doom Kingdom mainly) that don't exist anymore, thus "are" (DBDC as an example) and "were" (DK as an example).
SPATR is no longer allied to DBDC. The treaty was cancelled more then a year ago.
SPATR was never allied to Doom Kingdom.
3 hours ago, James Spanier said:To your last question, the Doomies went out of their way on multiple occasions to attack or antagonize traditionally moralist alliances (or their friends), Polarsphere pre-Oculus comes to mind. Remember Doom War? All those raids, wartime and peacetime on numerous alliances? The wars on neutrals?
My question was what SPATR did, not what "Doomies" did. Your claim was that SPATR "spent so much time earning the ire of" someone. So who that was? Your answer doesn't explain anything, because:
1) Doom War - SPATR didn't take part in it as alliance and we adhered to NpO wish of not sending foreign aid to DBDC. One SPATR member went to DBDC to fight for a short time, one more was fighting from DS, but they both returned to SPATR long before the war was over. After this war started Badlands merged with us and then some of them (several members) took part in that war, but they were not following SPATR rules of conduct and eventually in January 2015 (so before the Doom War ended) most of them were removed from SPATR. So SPATR haven't spent much time (or resources) fighting in this war. And BTW the fact that someone was fighting in the Doom War on the Doom side doesn't mean that they were in Doom Sphere (allies tend to help allies during wars, that's all).
2) Raids on numerous alliances - which members of SPATR took part in them? Not people who later became members but who were members at the time of raids? To my knowledge that were three members: Bones, Commander Bean and myself. Plus Zxcsd helped after I was countered by FAN, but that was after my raid against FAN resulted in an alliance war. I don't think that a few raids per nation can be described as "numerous".
3) Wars on neutrals - SPATR-TDO war lasted less then 24 hours and then two members (including myself) fought against Pax Corvus for several days. Not sure whether you regard WTF as neutral AA, but considering the events which preceded the war between DBDC and WTF a notion that SPATR earned the ire of WTF would be rather strange.
4 hours ago, James Spanier said:And don't give me a single word about SPATR and MONGOLS not being Doomsphere, they're a different product of the same brand regardless if they want to be recognized as it or not.
The way I see things Doom Sphere was DBDC, DS and later DK and their protectorates (like SNX). SPATR was never in Doom Sphere, we just had ODOAP with DBDC and DS, like many other alliances. Why do you think SPATR was in Doom Sphere? And the notion that MONGOLS were in Doom Sphere is even more strange - MONGOLS reformed in March this year, long after SPATR treaties with DBDC and DS were cancelled. Do you think that SPATR was in the Doom Sphere not only before, but even after cancellations of those treaties?
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On 7/5/2016 at 7:14 PM, James Spanier said:
You know, I think my favorite part of these ongoing debates about how unfairly SPATR and MONGOLS are being treated is that the groups that would have had the most sympathy for them in the past were at the receiving end of what they called unfair treatment by groups SPATR and MONGOLS are and were affiliated with (and partially made up of).
As far as the groups that were affiliated with SPATR are concerned I guess that you are referring to DBDC and DS. "Allied" would be a better word to describe SPATR former relationship with DBDC and DS rather then "affiliated" though.
But what groups that are affiliated with SPATR now are you referring to? (Since you have written "are and were affiliated").
On 7/5/2016 at 7:14 PM, James Spanier said:When you play the big and untouchable baddies don't be surprised that should the reckoning come those you spent so much time earning the ire of care not for your tears.
Is this directed to SPATR and MONGOLS? If yes, then who are those we supposedly "spent so much time earning the ire of"?
On 7/7/2016 at 0:31 AM, tobbogon said:I don't know why people are getting upset about the idea about it now, especially considering that this has been one of the longest periods of war in recent memory (Dave, Karma and Eq were about 3 months each, Doom was about 4, Disorder was about 5, but we're nearing that mark now if we haven't passed it already).
SPATR-Oculus war started on the 15th March. So it's close to four months.
On 7/7/2016 at 9:00 PM, The Warrior said:To my knowledge neither Mongols nor SPATR have approached Oculus in an official capacity about finding a complete resolution to this war. All we have heard for weeks is that Mongols and SPATR intend to war until their warchests are drained. If that is their intention than we will carry on. If at any time they have a change of heart, Mongols/SPATR know where to find us and we can begin talks. There is not a single person on this side of things that is honestly pushing for eternal war on anyone on the other side.
MONGOLS intend to keep fighting as long as SPATR keeps fighting. And SPATR plans are not based on war chests levels.
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