Daenerys Targaryen
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I don't support this as it diminishes any need to play with skill and organization, the moneys already there so no skill is required for using effective building methods, you could war everyone and anyone all round without having to worry about the losses. Whats stopping multiple nations/rogues from building +2k tech nuke turrets as soon as nations can declare war? It just sounds like it will be nothing but war, i know many enjoy having to apply skill and organization in TE, i myself enjoy it just as much as the war aspect.
Also admin can say good bye to all of the donations, i mean whats the point when you start with that much funds?
What about giving SE nations access to a new military wonder if they play and get their nations to a specific NS mark. Maybe once they reach 30k NS, this allows them to buy this new wonder in SE.
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How does every thread turn into something about avengers/wd/D1 and Co. I mean we stay of out of this stuff for a reason it's bloody petty on all fronts. I mean no one is looking clean in this. The reason we stay out of it is because cnte was supposed to be a place which is fun, a place where grudges and politics aren't really meant to come into play. Have you all forgotten about this? We at Citadel haven't. It's seriously getting to the point where more people are going to leave cnte because of this crap.
Also we attacked OP/Skaro/NM because we are staying out of this. So that doesn't leave many targets so yes we have to clump people together. Does that make us bad for staying out of this some will say yes others say no. End of the day you all need to wake up and remember that cnte is meant to be a fun no grudge place, and general meant to be pretty void on politics.What are you even talking about? Stay out of what exactly? Its just sounds like an excuse to build your alliance while everyone else wars. Next round, i hope some of these alliances hit Citadel just to remind them that we're all playing TE, not something you seem to think where everyone else has secret treaties and blocks going on. TDO/Avengers have only escalated this because many know what Avengers are capable of and two alliances came together early to stop them before they could roll anyone and everyone at will, i don't see any problem with this, in fact its doesn't get any more TE than that. Citadel have done nothing but sat on the side line and complained when the opportunity arise like you're doing right now, why don't you just attack whoever you want, hell, we all know you want to take TDO's side so hit D1 or WD's or TPC, none of the TE vets care what you do because they're playing TE. All they ask for is not to make massive down declares so they have no chance of fighting back, this is not fun for anyone and its the main reason for driving people away from the game, exactly like this DoW you've made but i know OP and Skaro can take beat downs but NM seem to be shrinking more and more from every beat down they're getting and this one will prove to be their biggest one so lets not complain about whose chasing people away, you're no angel. ANd come to think of it, when was the last time Citadel fought Avengers? Citadel and TDO seem to be the only alliances that think there are blocks going on and you only prove this by having Citadel sit on the sideline and TDO forms to help Avengers. Why don't you go one step further and ignore the grudges, hit whoever you want at anytime you want if the stats are as fair as possible, no one but TDO and Average will care because they're the only alliances not playing TE and it seems Citadel aren't as well.
TE and SE have been declining in numbers for years now so don't point the finger at anyone person, only a very small fraction of TE players actually come onto the forums and most of them have been around for years and will likely still be around for years. The nature of the game will be the main reason why people leave, its a war game and not everyone has equal skill, organization and education so people will lose a lot of wars and some people can only take so much of it, combined with the politics, even the most advanced people can be driven away, its just the nature of the game, you'll have your ups and downs in playing this game. Not to mention its a browser game that is 9-10 years old now, there are free new games being created everyday so of course the numbers would be declining, 99.99% of games are declining in membership by the day that are this old so lets not get too carried away about only people who argue on the forums being responsible for the decline. Look at all the factors involved, not just the forum politics.
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It was a vengeance war, you even admitted as much in several topics.....although you didn't use the term vengeance.Your way around that was to phrase it instead of using a single word to describe said war. In case you have forgotten I can go copy and paste several of your statements of how this was giving back to them what they do every round. So yeah, it was a vengeance war. Even with out you stating as much in various post about payback, it's obvious that's what it was.
I am glad that you all but admitted this was a bloc formed to stop TA from building. So I guess this is going to happen every Round?If you have evidence of these alliances holding a coalition block then show it? If not, STFU with your lies and propaganda already, just because two alliances go to war together does not mean they hold any treaties, maybe you're a noob to TE but this isn't the first time two alliances have gone to war together but keep acting like it is. If anyone has a block its Avengers and TDO, you both trade together, last round the members of AOW went to war for Avengers, your members alliance hop from TDO to Avengers and vice verse, and the biggest reason of all is that you yourself stated you hit D1/WD's for their war on Avengers so you shouldn't thrown stones when you live in a glass house.
Also you can stop pretending i speak for these alliances, the facts are D1/WD hit TA to keep the playing field even, and Cowboy said it was only to keep the playing field even who is a government representative of one of the alliances. I don't speak for these alliances in any official representation, I'm no government member of any alliance if you hadn't noticed so lets not get too overboard with everything i say about them is official and approved by their governments. Your desperation to use anything and everything anyone says even if they do not officially speak for those alliances is that, desperate, you will use anything anyone says to help support your propaganda against those alliances. But keep trying...
I doubt the same alliances will roll Avengers early next round, I'm guessing they don't care about Avengers anymore and have someone else in mind.
Can I point out WHO CARES who is trading with who? Why is it any of your business what anyone else does with their trades anyways? From our spy ops, we saw that WD and D1 trade with all kinds of people and we just don't care enough about it to even save them. I don't care what any alliance other than my own does with their trades, it's not my business OR yours.
Citadel can trade with whoever they want to.
OP can trade with whoever they want to.
WD, D1, Avengers, Misfits, Skaro, RE, and every other alliance can do whatever they want to with their trades.
Any individual nation can do whatever they want to with their trades.
There's a trend there.
Good luck to everyone involved in this war and good riddance to anyone trying to derail this thread to any other topic.The fact these rogues are trading with TDO members is the reasons why they care. You're sending rogues to do your dirty work like the cowards you's are and have only proven everyone to be. First war, biggest down declare of all time, and uses nukes on multiple non-nuclear nations. Yourself supported Spider Mans suicide hit on Misfits and he was trading with TDO, but don't worry, we know you's aren't alone in these cowardly opportunist attacks, and we know who the Avenger member that is involved in this too.
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There is a difference between throwing in an alliance to bolster numbers for a vengeance war, just barley out of the 7 days Free zone as to hitting the only alliances not mixed up in all the BS caused from that said war....Shy of Misfits, but they just war'd so I'm sure someone would disagree there.
I admit I haven't had time to look at everything, but it looks like OP has the top end of Citadel with Skaro filling in a bit, and NM filling in the bottom half of Citadel. Not to mention OP has serious skills on the battle field so from that stand point it seems like a legit war to me.
GL to all, should be an interesting war.
BGYou're the only person saying it was a vengeance war but in reality it was only a war to keep the playing field even. If Avengers had gotten just one more collection in, they would have rolled over the same alliances they had rolled early every round since their founding and their ability to accumulate large sums of cash reserves earlier than most is the main reason they were able too. TPC, WD's and OP can confirm this, D1 stated they pursued it to help keep the teams balanced throughout the round. This is obvious and i can get some of these alliance leaders to confirm it if you'd like, I'm sure some of them will gladly do it if it means you'll quit this constant lying to undermine their efforts to help keep TE fun and fair for everyone.
But seriously, you should cut the lies to make these veteran alliances look like the devil incarnated. You've been sucking up to everyone and anyone who will allow you to kiss their behind and you're constantly doing this even on these forums, I'm sure people like Alexio like it but no one cares if you're trying to suck up so they will support you and TDO when you're on the receiving end of getting rolled, the day that happens is the day everyone will see Citadel and TDO as the same alliance and will be dealt with as a single entity, Avengers have this same mentality but we don't play SE, in TE we just war, we don't ask other alliances if its alright to attack them, and we don't ask others if they will be attacking your own alliance like you've been doing. This is TE, not SE and you'll learn this in time, even if it means the hard way. TDO have shown their colors and you'll be dealt with accordingly by the full wrath of the TE veterans.
When D1/WD's fought Avengers/NM, it was all of their first war, all of these alliances had just finished a 7 day build but keep trying to pretend it wasn't fair for NM, did they need another 7 days? Your reasons are incredible ridiculous and the fact that NM just came out of war prior to this war confirms it. This war is far worst for NM than D1/WD using all of their inexperienced members to hit them with but keep pretending you know everything, you just don't want to jeopardize your relationship with Citadel so we'll call you a hypocrite for supporting this down declare by Citadel on NM and opposing the D1/WD down declare on NM, not that anyone will be surprised by your bias. Everyone knows you're trying to suck up to Citadel and you're constantly kissing Avengers behinds.
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Its a weak down declare, I'm sure even Citadel know this.
I'm just waiting for all those who scorned D1/WD's for adding NM with Avengers when they didn't have to fight odds this bad. I'm betting they wont say a thing because they don't want Citadel to be against them.
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"meh"
But good luck to OP/NM/Skaro, you're going to need it. ^_^
Any pre blitz stats?
I got post blitz stats
OP/NM/Skaro
Nations: 37
Nukes: 13
+25k NS: 0
+20-25k: 1
+15-20k: 6
+10-15k: 4
-10k: 26
Citadel
Nations:22
Nukes: 31
+25k NS: 1
+20-25k: 5
+15-20k: 5
+10-15k: 9
-10k: 2
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You just lost all rights to argue. You just pointed obvious facts you have no idea what you are talking about. I Think RE would disagree with the warchest levels you gave them. I have a conversation between eddy and myself talking about how they have us on tech but our ANS make up for it. They beat NM down and got tons of xp from it and you seem to forget NM was declared on shortly after that started. You basically proved you are picking sides and not looking at anything correctly just stop posting after that you truly just made yourself look stupid and I'm more convinced then ever that you pick sides have a bloc of your own.
Of course hes picking sides, the only reason why he scorned Alpha Wolves declaration on NDO was because he thinks they're doing DEFCON 1's bidding and he stated this. He concluded that because a couple of AW's members played a round in D1 he assumed they did what D1 told them too. Hes against anyone that's is against Avengers and he keeps supporting this with half of his forum post and his recent DoW.
TA and TDO are a block. They not only trade with each other but they combine their senate votes, how does the largest black team get beaten in votes by the 3rd largest black team Avengers. It really isn't hard to figure out whats going on.
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What I'd like to know is why can't Avengers keep their nations in one alliance? You only have nations in NM because at one point they were the largest alliance and i believe they still have the strongest alliance record.
The top two players by nation strength that finish Tournament Round 35 in the alliance that records the Strongest Alliance award on the awards screen (strongest alliance is determined by alliance score, 10 member alliance minimum) will win an item(s) of your choosing from the Cyber Nations Merchandise Store valued $40 and under or two $30 donations applied to your (or your friends) Cyber Nation Standard account.
We all know how butthurt DD is over getting rolled right after donating so of course he wants to win his money back at any cost possible even if that means sending rogues to stall the competition. Coward!
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Take a look at the rogues trade partners, nations from both TDO and Avengers. He ended up dropping the TDO nations but little did he know we had already got intel on it before he did.
Message: You have just conducted a spy operation against the nation of Spider Man. In the attack your spy efforts were successful as your spies were able to gather the following information about the nation:
Desired Religion: Judaism
Desired Government: Monarchy
Threat Level: Low
Tax Rate: 30%
Number of Spies: 550
Last Nuke Purchase: 5/2/2015 2:02:46 PM
Last Wonder Purchase: 5/1/2015
Total Money: $7,568,042
Technology: 304.37 Levels
Last Bill Payment: 5/1/2015 9:25:30 PM
Trade Partners: WarHammer, Iron Man, Sleeper, Quicksilver
Military XP Ratings: Army XP: 19, Navy XP: 4, Air Force XP: 40, Intelligence XP: 0
Assigned Generals: Air Force XP Level 48, Army XP Level 12, Intelligence XP Level 12, Navy XP Level 8
Total Aircraft: 17
Aircraft Fighter Strength: 71
Aircraft Bomber Strength: 20
Navy Purchases Today: 0
Navy Vessels:
Corvettes: 0
Landing Ships: 0
Battleships: 4
Cruisers: 5
Frigates: 4
Destroyers: 3
Submarines: 3Message: You have just conducted a spy operation against the nation of Spider Man. In the attack your spy efforts were successful as your spies were able to gather the following information about the nation:
Desired Religion: Judaism
Desired Government: Monarchy
Threat Level: Severe
Tax Rate: 30%
Number of Spies: 800
Last Nuke Purchase: 5/8/2015 1:53:06 AM
Last Wonder Purchase: 5/7/2015
Total Money: $8,466,290
Technology: 238.21 Levels
Last Bill Payment: 5/7/2015 8:49:56 PM
Trade Partners: WarHammer, Incredible Hulk
Military XP Ratings: Army XP: 27, Navy XP: 16, Air Force XP: 107, Intelligence XP: 22
Assigned Generals: None
Total Aircraft: 6
Aircraft Fighter Strength: 1
Aircraft Bomber Strength: 29
Navy Purchases Today: 8
Navy Vessels:
Corvettes: 0
Landing Ships: 0
Battleships: 4
Cruisers: 7
Frigates: 6
Destroyers: 5
Submarines: 4
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Oh, I was stating for me personally. As an alliance we will move on. I'll see what I can do about the wars.
Bravo Top Gear, perhaps you should be leading TDO and not the noobs pretending to be TE killers and veterans. No one has even heard of most of them and some have decided to crawl out of the woodwork with big heads because someone has taught them how to utilize temp trades.
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I'm not a representative of TDO, anything i say is my own opinion.
I'm not trying to twist things, everything i said about you was based on things you posted. i'm not trying to make you look bad either, i'm pointing out that your posts do make you look bad to me.
you might have good intentions i don't know, but its not coming across this way, the way you are coming across is that you have a grudge with TA and you want revenge on them, i don't know if i'm right or wrong about that, but that is how you seem when i read your post, it is just very obvious how much you hate TA.
and i don't like how you keep throwing accusation without having proof for them, sometimes it feels like provocation.
i don't like how you get into somethings that are obviously none of your business.
i'm just saying, if you are against down declare, you should always be against down declares even if they happen to TA.
and i don't understand why you're trying to make a simulation of politics and war fair, it is not happening in RL i don't see it happening in this game, online gaming is rarely fair, believe me, i played so many online games, i can't think of one that was fair, you are just setting yourself up for disappointment if you are expecting it to work out this way, statistics, math, and psychology experiments will prove that to you.
I think we all should learn from what RE/NM trying to do now, holding grudges against one another will just make this game less fun each round, if the nations are deleted so should the grudges be.
and seriously now, this is my last post talking about CN with you, and i wrote it just to clarify things that you seem to misunderstand.
edit: took spelling and gramatical mistakes out :facepalm: the ones i noticed at least.
i finished the 5th book about 2 weeks ago and almost cried.
i was thinking of the Battle of summerhalls when i talked about the battles of the bells thanks for correcting me, but i call roberts hiding good strategy and what ser williem darry have done bad strategy, he should have done what Tywin lannister would have done.
" I'm not trying to honor you. I'm trying to get you to run my kingdom while I can eat, drink and whore my way to an early grave" that is why he is my favorite, he is a hilarious king, unlike this stannis :D
i misunderstood you about Rhaegar, thanks for the clarification, i know what you mean now, and i agree of course.
For the 20th time since you can't seem to get this through your head, i don't oppose underhanded tactics and down declares on those who use the very same tactics on others, i use to tell Paul/OP this all the time since he use to ask why wasn't i against the same BS they pulled on others but happened to them. Its what they deserve in the hopes they'll think twice about doing it again, whether they decide to rage quit over it is their decision but i can assure you, the game will go on and will be better off without their dirty tactics. TA have pulled some of the most underhanded moves I've ever seen which is why they've earned a lot of attention from myself and other alliances. You're in TDO so i don't expect you to believe any of this, you'll twist everything around again the first chance you get and try to pretend i have a life long hatred against them. I have nothing against them personally and i talk to a couple of their leaders in private on friendly grounds, I'm only against their actions and they of all people should know that i would be. I can assure you that most of them would cry foul play if their was an alliance that did to them what they've been doing to others. I know this because its happened to many of them and they complained about it.
Tywin would not have searched from house to house, he would have burnt the entire town to the ground so hiding would not have been a good strategy in that case. ^_^
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Lol by the looks of it, you might win lol
Someone who need a TC??! LolI knew i shouldn't have said that. ^_^
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The desperation to use whatever excuse they can to justify this hit on Kaboom sure is showing. If you had a problem about me getting intel from someone from AOW who didn't appreciate the lies coming from this person to cover Avengers, then he should have attacked me for recieving evidence Cazaric was lying to cover for Avengers, instead he attacks Misfit who had nothing to do with it.
As for the Misfits spy rogue who was a member for 1-2 days, we came to the conclusion that it was planted there by TDO to frame myself and Misfits. So lets cut the BS and pretend the hit on Kaboom is for anything but spy rogues, if this is true then TDO should have hit Misfits when you had the chance but instead you resort to cowardly tactics and send a nuke turrret that uses them on only Kaboom, if anyome is trying extremely hard to win flags, its TDO so cut the BS and tell the truth.
You're nuking Kaboom because hes out building your flag runners. At least the scum in TDO are acknowledging they know and support this rogues actions.
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Well, i read the books, i'm a big fan of the real Daenarys but you have to admit that she is naive.
I make this jokes because you'r behavior on the forums reminds me more of Viserys in the Dothraki Sea than it ever reminded me of Dany.
Sure, you might be trying to make this game fair and moral (like Dany ), but judging only from the posts i read from you since half of last round till now you strike me more as a troll and a hater (like Viserys).
You encourage hate against those who disagree with you or speak up against you(like you accusing me of being a bully, among other things), it was TA last round, and now you seem to have moved on to TDO.
you might be right about TA you might also be wrong, as a new player i don't care what happened between you two before, i'd like to judge them for my self, which is why i never liked all the hate speech you kept writing about them all the time, i won't take your word for it that they are bad, and if they were bad before it doesn't really interest me as much as what they are now.
You are right about Robert though, he was a fool, my favorite king, but still a fool, although the realm was at peace for 17 years when he ruled, but no thanks to him really, and you know why.
you can't deny that the battle of the trident is something to brag about, also the battle of the bells, Robert was a great warrior, but as Renly once said "Great warriors don't make great kings".
i can't discuss stannis without spoiling things to people, and i really don't want to do that.
i disagree about Rhaegar though, he took up arms because of the rebellion and the same reason Robert took up arms "Lyanna stark". the prophecy is very arguable and everyone can interpret it differently and the red priests aren't always right, and take the old gods into consideration when you think about that(also Griff).
please consider not accidentally spoiling things for people when you write about GoT here., and i hope i did not do that either.
ps: i shouldn't even be doing this really, i'm done arguing with the misfits for a while now, i've tried logic it didn't work, you threw empty accusations with nothing to support it back at me , i replied with complete honesty(more than i should have really), i got mockery and more accusation from you guys, so please understand when i say i don't want to discuss CN with you people for a while now.
Yourself and others from TDO are only trying to twist things to make me look bad for calling out all of your underhand attacks against others, Avengers do the same which is your only defense against some one who speaks out against it as I'm not the one unfairly rolling anyone or using immoral tactics. Your only defense is to make me look bad at any means possible and you'll fail just as Avengers did and those before them because you have no argument, only twisted lies that i will expose for what they are. Even now you're trying very hard to say that my call outs at the Avengers unfair tactics was nothing but hate speech. Are you playing the same game because maybe you didn't see that D1/WD's and TPC all had grudges with Avengers from these unfair tactics and they let the Avengers know this with actions of their own.
I thought you said you hadn't yet read all the books?
But everyone to their own, even if their favorite king was a fool i guess. :p The Battle of the Bells i wouldn't say was one of his best victories as he hid away until the Starks and Tully's arrived. The Battle of Summerhall where he defeated three armies in one day is where he showed his impressive ability to win battles. Robert was a good man, a great commander but a poor King.
I never said Rhaegar never took up arms because of the rebellion, i said he first took up arms because he thought he was suppose to fulfill the "prince that was promised" prophecy.
As a child he read obsessively, to the point that jests were made about his habits. He became a noted warrior later in life, although he did not initially seem inclined to martial habits. However, apparently by something he had read, Rhaegar became motivated to become a warrior.According to a tale told of Rhaegar, one day he found something in his scrolls that changed him and he decided to become a knight. He said to Ser Willem Darry, the master-at-arms,
“ I will require a sword and armor. It seems I must be a warrior. ”Of course its only theory but its very likely this is why he took up the sword, he was years ahead of his time and he did it to prepare and defend the Seven Kingdoms.
ASOIAF is ultimately a war of the gods, so I'd never count the old or the new gods out. These gods have their champions too if you know where to look.
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Blacklight, just wait until the boot is on the other foot and then lets see if you get a kick out of taunting opponents you're helping to roll. Isn't it enough that they're unfairly getting rolled, you also have to send provocative and insulting remarks on top.
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I know who he trades with. It's not the first time he's been spied, did the alliance name not give it away? You can ask your boy Kaboom about that, hmm? Perhaps that nation has good reasons for doing what he's doing. It's entirely possible his targets were chosen for very good reasons, reasons that have been very good reasons for a very long time in both TE and SE.
I wouldn't be surprised if you's are responsible for all of the dirty spy ops that occurred against all of last rounds flag runners which were half of Avengers, Fatal, Limits and Rock n Rolla. Now you've resorted to using rogues to stall Kabooms earnings.
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Spin it how you want with as much BS mixed in as you want, you're only trying to convince yourself that you're not wrong. I don't care if all your biased friends are telling you to ignore me, for your sake you should. I have my supporters and they're a lot more prominent and respected than you will ever be, in fact, many of them made TE what it is today.
You're less than a shadow of a snake and in time, more and more people will see this.
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Before making anymore of these uninformed judgments about characters, you should first do your home work. Either read the books or use the following resources:
This here explains the Targaryen madness: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Targaryen_madness
Here are some quotes about Danny from the books. Not a single character ever compares here to the Mad King, in fact, shes only been compared to the greatest Targaryen to have ever lived, IMO the 2nd greatest too, Rheagar .
Quotes about Daenerys “ Ser Jorah: You are your brother's sister, in truth.
Daenerys: Viserys?
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– Jorah Mormont to Daenerys
“ The frightened child who sheltered in my manse died on the Dothraki Sea, and was reborn in blood and fire. This dragon queen who wears her name is a true Targaryen. [42] ”
“ The Blood of Aegon the Dragon flows in her veins. [42] ”
Daenerys Targaryen is no maid, however. She is the widow of a Dothraki khal, a mother of dragons and a sacker of cities, Aegon the Conqueror with teats. . .[43] ”
And i know you will but lets not brag too much about Robert slaying Rhaegar, Robert was a fool and he died like a fool, he will be remembered as such and his dynasty will only survive if Stannis or Shireen take back the Iron Throne. Rhaegar only took up the sword because he believed he was to fulfill "the prince that was promised" prophecy.
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OP are still around? ^_^
I've got a bet placed with someone else that one of their two trade circles will never get completed for the entire round. :lol1:
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Don't worry we're keeping a close eye on you too.
If anyone knows anything about all of this, you're one of the names at the top of the list. Its funny how all your spy slots were taken by members in D1 right after update before i could get to them and these were nations even D1 seem to be at war with, cancelling important trades on those who needed them to buy nukes, turtelling. After one was ordered to leave your sy slots and quit wasting them on things like changing DEFCON levels when they don't run ground attacks on you to only be replaced by another D1 nation who wasn't at war with you and spies your technology. We smell a rat in the kitchen to say the least.
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They are bullies, plain and simple, because they have more stats they think they can throw demands at others they treat unfairly. They think they can cause all of this and then turn around say "back off or we'll put more nations into the fight".
Only TDO's leaders, don't worry, they'll only get replaced by those with the same agendas, Dario included.
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More legit than attacking more of us and leaving no choice but to further counter you.
I don't understand your reasoning here. Your first port of call should have been contacting government, not attacking them.One of your members attacked them first, and they are allowed to defend their nations as is their right. Did the TDO gov or nation who attacked first, offer an apology for the actions of the first attacker?
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Did I see correctly you defending WDs? Funny how things have changed? :huh:
I'm a defender of all those who play fair and are treated with unfairness.
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You should rejoin WD's TJack.
A Citadel DoW
in Tournament Edition Open World Forum
Posted · Edited by Daenerys Targaryen
I find it funny that Citadel will avoid fighting TPC, D1, WD's, TDO and Avengers or basically all of the competent alliances that can actually war because they're pretending there is a block vs block war going on. Do you really think we're all stupid and you're not only taking advantage of a situation that does not exists but you want it to exist so you can take advantage of it . If this thing you think does exist then why did you attack OP? They have as much reason as TPC and WD's to be involved or were they staying out as well? Of all the alliances, you think OP have forgotten all the times Avengers have rolled them. You're full of BS Citadel and everyone knows it and your growing reputation as TE's war dodgers is what i find even funnier.