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And yes, I don't mind log dumps of my stuff Hoo, because I say that I will support you, but I tell you like 5 times about how I'm uneasy and want you to negotiate. So RoK went to war and you offered assistance and were told you were not needed, but now you are not even going to defend them if they get attacked, unless they bow down to your demands???

but it is very simple, ADI tells RoK in private that they have their back. Then ADI runs to the OWF and tells everybody in public that they will only have their back if ROK follows what ADI wants, even though ADI had not told ROK what they wanted in private. And yes you did back out of your treaty obligation, and yes it was said that you would not defend RoK. The only way ADI said they would defend RoK was if RoK negotiated to the satisfaction of ADI. ADI it is very simple, if you had kept everything private there would not have been any issues, IF you had talked to RoK and told them you wanted them to negotiate, they would have probably declined but they would not have had any issues with you. There was not an issue until YOU went public without talking to them first.

BINGO, the only thing you have been right about in this whole thread, but it was ADI's duty to do a little research.

I bet that was an interesting query. ADI made their bed, now let them sleep in it.

lets look at this one quote again hummm nope, I didn't talk about the entire ODN or even any of their gov. except for one person, a person who in your wiki is listed in your gov. section. I know because I checked before I wrote that.

the log I saw shows at least one person DID plan on leaving FOK out of it. This person is and was an ODN government member, has been at the center of more that one controversy.

Looks to me that ODN is doing a good enough job isolating themselves from allies that they don't need anybodies help.

There is nothing like delaying the opening of gifts while you launch a few nukes. It's Christmas at ground zero There's music in the air The sleigh bells are ringing and the carolers are singing While the air raid sirens blare It's Christmas at ground zero The button has been pressed The radio just let us know That this is not a test Everywhere the atom bombs are dropping It's the end of all humanity No more time for last-minute shopping It's time to face your final destiny It's Christmas at ground zero There's panic in the crowd We can dodge debris while we trim the tree Underneath the mushroom cloud You might hear some reindeer on your rooftop Or Jack Frost on your windowsill But if someone's climbing down your chimney You better load your gun and shoot to kill

Isn't that sweet, Mixoux misses his old buddies in Echelon.

I knew it.

I don't care who you are, thats funny right there. congrats FOK

Of course, now it all makes sense. Now that caffine is back in Echelon it must be their fault.

Typical Delta, mixing facts into a good argument. I kinda enjoyed throwing some fuel on the fire and then sitting back and watching the lemmings swarm.

just how has R&R held their cards close to their chest and played them at the same time?

This announcement brings some very mixed emotions for me. I have answered a lot of questions in private about my leaving R&R and my “attitude change” toward ODN in the last few months. I guess it is time to explain some things. To understand the emotions you have to understand the road that R&R and myself have traveled with ODN. It started after the UJW, there was a major move toward Orange Unity. We started to get to really know ODN. At that time I had a very close relationship with their leadership and in January of 2008 this treaty was signed. I spent a lot of time with the different ODN leadership groups from Pingu and Eric, to WalkerNinja and Diomede and Sunstar and the Bum. And who can forget Akasha. R&R and ODN had a few membership exchanges that brought the general membership closer together. There was a time that ODN was one of R&R's closest allies. Through this time I was constantly standing up for ODN to R&R's other allies who would often question the relationship and sometimes would laugh at it. R&R stood by ODN as they made decisions that we all knew would not be popular on planet bob. I began to doubt ODN leadership in March when it appeared that they were trying too hard to change their image after an incident. I gave ODN the benefit of the doubt but started to pay attention. In September of this year I was burned out. I had spent 30 months in the highest R&R government and needed a break. It was at this time that there was an incident internally in R&R that was fueled by an ODN government member. This drama helped me make up my mind that my time in R&R was over. Even with all of this I was still leaning pro ODN, I didn't hold the actions of 1 person against them. At least I didn't until we had this meeting with ODN leadership, or lack of leadership. I love !@#$%* R&R I still love you, good job. ODN, well I still have some friends there and they know who they are and I wish them well. Maybe one of these days your government will realize that pissing on your supporters and friends is not the best way to change your image.

CSN Oppressing people as only they can do. Have fun guys.

good read. I am just confused why everybody kept telling me I had to go post in something titled old coot.

Welcome to LEO Orange.

Not a big surprise here. Good luck GGA

would it be wrong to wish both to lose??? Yeah I guess it would.

Very nice, when OUT was first proposed there was so much promise and hope, too bad that did not come to fruition. FOK

It is obvious that WF needs to contact TOP to negotiate with UED for them, that way TOP can pay the UED reps to WF.

I believe TR is going strong, you would have to ask them.

And suddenly I find myself allied to Tromp once again, why do I keep doing this to myself? FOK iFOK

Woo Hoo Onward to 3 Mil. Let the party begin. Now where did I put my lampshade.