Icewolf
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Please rogue me I'm all lubed up.
In anarchy. You have to wait.
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Your alliance did not do that you threaten war! Your alliance of IRON is overly arrogant. I hope it gets wiped out of exitance. Oh the peaceful people of Palarea may fall and becomes slaves of IRON but before we hve exposed IRON for what they really are. EVIL
You started the war...yet we are evil because we gave you a chance to avoid it.
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Lies, IRON has provoked others there charter is bent on WAR! There very alliance is focused on WAR! Sooner or later you smaller alliances will have to deal with IRON as it seeks to plunder and steal from smaller alliances and nations. IRON is a agressive, Hostile and out of control alliance and must be destroyed. This individul is a puppet of that Alliance spreading lies.
Riiiiiiiiiight. We are not focused on war. IRON was actually born as a neutral alliance. We are focused on honour, bravery and other things that can have a militaristic theme, but our focus is not on war not on warmongering.
So let me get this straight, anotehr alliance/nation threatens you with war orver somthing as stupid as deciding which allaince your gonna go with. Yous it back and do nothing. Interesting! Whatw as wrong with them asking me to just remove myself as a alliance member or as one guy pointed out above thr forum they have the ability to kick people out and ban a suggested above your comment. So really who is in the wrong? Im not in the wrong and IRON has everything it has coming to it and more.
What is wrong with that? It is exactly what we did.
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I notice that you refuse to respond to the one IRON poster in this thread. Presumably because shouting from a soapbox makes you feel you are right when you know full well that you cannot answer the points raised and would have to accept that you have charged to war on a whim with no good reason or sanity.
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Ok, I have no official capacity within IRON but I am a longish standing member and have served in such capacity in the past.
IRON do NOT declare unprovoked wars. We quite simply do not. There are alliances out there that do that, but we are not one of them. What we do do is protect our property. Our AA is our property and we have the sovereign right to state who may or may not be on that property. We did not threaten to start a war with you for no reason. We said that you could face punitive action if you continued on our property without our permission. If you leave it, we leave you alone. No one would force you to join. That would be a ridiculous idea as we would just get an unwilling and useless member.
However you have now attacked IRON. Because you took umrbidge with the suggestion that we did not have sole sovereignty to determine control of our own AA. That is aggression. That is unprovoked. We have policy for dealing with you and it will be followed.
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Yes 6 million for 200 has a lower profit margin than 3 million for 100.
However the profit margin is not halved whilst the turnover is doubled, ergo you make more money per slot for 6/200 than for 3/100. So for the seller it is not a rip off.
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When you untick automatic have you ticked it currently being DST?
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Congratulations on your survival for two years. I'll bring some cake to the embassy-chocolate or victoria sponge?
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What I find interesting is how prevalent seemingly backwards etiquette is on Bob. Many are openly hostile, but then in private they are more pleasant and less confrontational.
Edit: To elaborate more, it seems that people focus much more on displaying their good qualities in private than they do in public.
That is quite easy to explain. In public people are always playing politics. In private people are often not and just chilling. It is also much easier to be harsh in the OWF where everything is heated and there are dozens of posters and threads can spew out ten pages in a night so tomorrow you are not remembered. When its three or four people on IRC or in one thread it is much harder to be harsh and much more likely to lead to nastiness.
As for the OP, I would say paranoia is driving things more now than contempt. Every discussion I have had in the last fortnight has at least in some regard touched on who wants to roll who...apparently every bloc is gunning to kill someone else whilst denying any hostile attention and assuming that someone is coming after them.
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Hah I remember when I was stupid enough to read these threads.
It is a brilliant masterstroke of spin in which one of our brilliant saboteurs manages to make it not at all about IRON and get the focus firmly where it should be, on admiring GATO's war performance.
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People I like winning elections in an alliance I like. Like+like = doublepluslike.
o/
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We apparently live in an age where treaties cannot be cancelled because alliances are moving in different directions and one party comes to the conclusion that it cannot work out. There has to be a misconduct by one side, according to the logic here. So when IRON cancels a treaty for a reason that happens to involved a reference to another block, it can only be because we regard NPO as having acted in a very evil way by considering that block. Which means we must hate that block.
Doesn't follow. I know some of you have agenda's to push. Magicninja and Rush Sykes (given neither of you are FA officials I will not tie your opinions to your alliances) are now broadcasting that they already knew IRON to be a bad sort and have a desire no doubt to justify that by assuming that IRON hates NPO and CnG and all their works because it then makes them the aggrieved party.
Others just want to make a split between NPO and IRON because they are two of the most powerful players around, and not seeing any obvious wrongdoing from IRON towards NPO or NPO towards IRON they want to scream at NPO "SEE!! SEE!! THEY WANT TO BURN YOUR ALLIES." Which given we are still allied to their allies doesn't really make sense. But whoever lets sordid things like facts get in the way of good propoganda eh?The truth is IRON didn't, does not, and will not want to watch CnG get pounded. We didn't like it during the last war, and if it happens again (which I doubt will be in the near future) we are not looking forward to it. Clearly some in their number have a mild dislike towards us so we are unlikely to trade Christmas cards with those individuals, but we are still allied to and friends with The International so screwing over CnG means screwing over our allies. Given that isn't what IRON does I can only assume that others are projecting their standards onto us....make of that what you will.
The truth of this matter is that we do not see a good future with NPO. Our paths are divergent and not likely to immediately realign. They accept that. We accept that. The examples in the OP are of us not working well together, not of us having a bitter dispute or completely misaligned goals or some great wrong that we are punishing with cancellation. It was just a sign that we do not work well together at this present time. We went down the road before of keeping a treaty that could not work well until a major wrong was committed. Seeing as so many have brought it up people should be aware of what that was. Was that a good idea? Did it end well for either side? Is it a practice to be encouraged? No. Should IRON tred the same path? No.
That is all this is. We didn't work well together. Not "your goals are abhorrent to us." Not "you have betrayed us." Not "you are a great evil." Simply, "we don't work well together." I know that is a rare thing in this world, hence everyone assuming that we believe CnG must be destroyed at all cost because they are used to the idea that something must have been done wrong for a split. But that is not the case. To those on both sides trolling the other, you are like the "bros" that call the ex a hoe after an amicable break up...you are not helping and a great many of you I think are doing it not because you feel bad about the break up but because you disliked the ex. When quite frankly, I still expect to see NPO down at the bar on Friday night and hope to see them around plenty.
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So, IRON soured on TOP because TOP kept them at war too long in the Grudge war. IRON soured on NPO because NPO didnt keep them at war long enough. Makes total sense. For goodness sake make up your minds which it is that you want.
The situations are not comparable. TOP was cancelled on because of serious grievances (which I do not want to rehash here-the past in the past), NPO has been cancelled because we do not see the relationship as having a good future, not because it has had a particularly bad past.
Seriously, half an hour in this place and I feel like a deserve a degree in comparative citrus and pomaceous fruit. -
Yes, you did more damage than you took when you had heavy odds in your favor. You still got your ass kicked where it mattered.
Fighting inactive alliances like Sparta will do that. The only time you've fought competent alliances and come out on top is when they're outnumbered.
Stop describing GOONS-this thread is about IRON and VE.
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The idealised peace had everyone but Umbrella withdrawing-so it wouldn't have wiped out CnG. This reperations fantasy is just that, a fantasy. It isn't even a good fantasy. If you are going to make stuff up it should at least include dragons.
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Uh, doing better than average is a good thing for war. Like, giving more damage than you take. A high amount. I dunno how it's hard to grasp.
Sooooo TOP government (a good majority) made the same claim?
For someone who is so expert on the past that their knowledge overrides what the rest of us puny mortals perceive as facts, I am amazed that you even have to ask questions of what happened in private conversations.
What happened back then is really irrelevant. Things were said, some of it no doubt in anger or frustration that amounted to that. However it was a good long time ago and there really is no mileage in going over that again. Especially as someone as radiant and intelligent and knowing as yourself surely knows exactly what happened, and the CN wiki and the rest of us are merely imagining things and only your mighty intelligence can fathom the truth.
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Wait, you said IRON were glorious fighters for having the highest aggressive slot usage... So how is GOONS not one of the greatest fighting alliances of all time by your standard? Oh, you doubled up on standards. I see.
Regardless of that, we did a lot better than most alliances would have in our situation, as you can tell by our damage input:output ratio..
We don't run begging for help when micro's and sole independent nations get out of hand. We also don't need aid within the first week of war. Also we come out of wars in good enough shape with enough un-irradiated brain cells to have the good sense to check the wiki before making stupid claims about past wars. Whereas you seem to get knocked so hard that you forget the entire war.
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Yes, GOONS, the alliance known for being fierce (lower tier) fighters, knows nothing about warfare. And IRON hasn't callied in allies when outgunned? It's almost like you didn't tackle Umbrella as a group months ago.
GOONS is an alliance known for being a joke as fighters. Loud mouth jokes. They do a lot of it, but that is like saying Kirsten Stewart is a good actor because she has been in several films. It doesn't follow.
But please, don't let anything as sordid and foul as facts get in the way of the Lord of Knowledge and Wisdom and his brilliant beacon of awesome,.
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Yeah, a forgettable effort against alliances that were heavily entangled (that you then used to paint TOP as the "bad guy" of the relationship, by the way, just like you're doing with NPO now)
We hammered the alliaces we fought against.
Not that a GOON would know much about warfare...how long before you run off to your bigger friends to rescue from your terrible propoganda effort?
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So skipping two of the last four wars and trying to skip Karma was what, now?
Not sure what you are going for but I have it down as simply being wrong.
Equilibrium, Dave, Grudge....we saw action in all of those. So thats 3/3 making your 2 of last 4 impossible.
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...Do you realize how large your advantage was? And now you're whining that NPO (who was the only reason you even got a stalemate) let you get your ass kicked.
Hail to thee of such bright vision. This is even brighter than your past statements. Even the light of the all the brightest stars in the great realm of reality is nothing to your glorious brilliance in piercing the murky greedy and guilt ridden heart of IRON.
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1)Yes, aggressive slot usage is the key to winning a war. Not, you know, how those slots are being used. If the enemy beats the hell out of you in all those aggressive slots, is it really a good job? (No. Your alliance is not a warring alliance. Accept it.)
No. Because that didn't happen.
2) Public statements are nice. NPO once publicly stated they would never cancel on NpO. Many times, I'm sure, even.
So because you think at some point in the future we could change our policy we definitely changed it during the last war and tried to make people fight for our reps?
Yes....that IS the most logical way of looking at things. Clearly. So clear, that it makes the clarity of the air seem like an opaque block. You've shone a light so bright into our dark deeds that the sun is but the faintest star in the sky by comparison. Hail to thee that has such clear and bright vision.
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An alliance that sticks up for all its allies instead of just some? I mean, CnG approached NPO as soon as wounds healed between the alliances involved. MK even (mostly) stopped hounding them. NPO carried IRON's war out as best they could. They stopped at reps. Why? Because 1) if anyone in EQ deserved reps, it was NPO for actually fighting a good fight and 2) What the fuck does IRON need reps for in an aggressive war that it wasn't even involved in the CB for? You can say the same about GOONS as to #2, but at least they give a damn enough to fight for DH.
I don't even remotely like NPO, this is just pure bullshit.
1) IRON had the 2nd highest aggressive slot usesage. Only the Grand Lodge of Freemasons beat us. Your implication that IRON did not fight hard is laughable. (not saying others did not also fight hard, merely that any accusation of IRON fighting a lacluster war is a joke)
2) IRON has stated many times in public that we do not take reparations. We never asked for nor received them. There were enough proposed terms leaking around the world before peace and none of them made any mention of IRON reps.
Your propoganda is really quite terrible.
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I am saddened to see this day
UNPROVOKED WAR BY THE I.R.O.N ALLIANCE
in World Affairs (IC)
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We said if you did not leave our AA punitive action would be taken. Why did you not simply leave? You would have had nothing bad happen to you then. You could have just left our property and gone. Instead to declared a war on an IRON nation. You try to escalate with threats of nukes. All the while you could have walked away after the first message and gone and joined someone else.