Icewolf
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Yeah, seem like you are still failing to grasp the timeline.
Your suggested timeline failed to realize what was actually going on even though I spelled it out.
Him already at war and being nuked by Cichy (anarchy) -> update -> him leaving anarchy -> him defeat alerting you because you had too few troops -> him getting nuked -> you buy a bunch of infra because that is what your war guides say to do when you get sent to anarchy by a single attacker -> you post a thread explaining how you understand warfare -> next update.
So, tell me more about your great understanding of war. Because it has been pretty funny how bad its been so far.
Have you considered setting up a consultancy on how to make trash talkers look silly?
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Ok now do the percentage of your NS that was in peace mode compared to the percentage of TOP's to see a more accurate representation. Then do how many nations in war mode actually declared several wars.
IRON sandbagged this war harder than I can remember anybody in history.Right.....cause those ten nations are 50% of our NS? Right.
No.
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You know why you're astoundingly wrong, right?
IRON, like every other alliance on planet bob, keeps a strategic set of nations in peace mode. In our case those being highlighted are a merest fraction of the AA. The phrase those in glass houses and kettles calling pots black applies to every peace mode debate on planet bob and this is no exception. The peace mode debate only exists because;
1) If the lower tier of an alliance is being ground whilst the upper tier hides, it is a way to break their moral and;2) There is some kind of hope that you can shame people out of peace mode to weaken them whilst you have the upper hand.
Neither really works, but everyone goes along with it anyway.In this war there is a new element in it, partly in trying to justify extremely harsh peace terms, but mostly I suspect an element of acting like the bully in the pool changing rooms shouting "look at that nerd" in the hope that no one looks at him when he is getting changed.
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So the war status of what...3.3% of our nations matters that much to you? I mean I get PM complaints leveled at those who keep 50%+ in peace mode whilst on the winning side (no names...just a statement) but this is just silly.
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So normally when I see a thread this long I flick to the last few pages to get an idea of how discussion is going.
Now I am very tired and have a lot of things to do....would someone care to explain to me how a comment about some NPO person going rogue on some HB person led to random bitching about the price of bread?
Or do I just not want to know.
Anyway TLR, have fun with your non-warness. You guys broke my one million casualty mark so congrats I guess?
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I think actually more people targeted honesty towards you than lies. Its just you ignored the honesty and fell for the liars.
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3. Don't lie to an underground network of bounty hunters and spies.
The Network apologised and we are friends now.
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Rule 1: Don't post the details here. :facepalm:Rule 2. Don't use public aid labelled as "upfront bounty financials"
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Well it is perhaps abundantly apparent to anyone with even the slightest hint of cognitive ability that neither Buckaroo or "The Boss" truly has a grasp of the fundamental operations of this universe in which our nations reside.
Furthermore there is the slight fact that neither Buckaroo nor this mysterious but oh so easy to identify Boss has the first clue how to go about clandestine operation. -
Come find me on IRC. #IRON and ask for Icewolf.
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The comment was aimed at TOP, the great warriors who like always, park a very high proportion of nations in PM, let others do the fighting and then strut around as though they are a competent warrior alliance rather than a pack of whiny tits.IRON is declaring wars at a rate under 42.5% of the rate Sudoku is per nation. If you want to give advice on how to improve staggers, please start with your own alliance. Thanks.
I don't think either Sengoku or IRON has anything to answer regarding the war on TLR given that TLR has relatively few nations and relatively little NS left to offer resistance with. The mass of war declarations on turtling nuke turrets (and the damage that can actually be done to a nation that has only 1000 infa and 75 tech is limited) are hardly going to change the outcome of this war. -
Once again, periphery vs central. We could destroy TLR down to 0NS and still not reach the top of damage statistics. As someone above said, stop cherry picking.We've inflicted almost twice as much damage as you despite starting with significantly less NS, and we've declared almost as many wars as you despite having less than one third your number of nations. We're #2 in our coalition in damage dealt, whereas you're #9 despite having begun the war with the heaviest stats of anyone. Keep reaching.
Because TOP wasn't involved in the selection of the negotiator, and have no influence at all in negotiations. Given the coalition has a central negotiator the absence of TOP specifically in the talks asking anything doesn't mean you guys are completely out of the loop and innocent. But nice attempt at spinning your way out of implication.Please do find me the logs of TOP demanding any terms at all. You won't, of course, because you haven't any. And for you to accuse TOP of foul play at all is the very height of hypocrisy.
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Current numbers I'm reading show IRON has 626 wars v. TOP's 561. Damage aside(and they're doing a lot more of that than yall and taking somewhat more of that than yall have), that comes out to them fighting about ~5.6 wars per member to IRON's ~1.8
It's a valid criticism if this was any other war, but you're just making yourself look silly by recycling it for this one.
IRON is a peripheral alliance in this war, whilst TOP is at the centre. Comparing to IRON is not valid.
However despite demanding terms with the basis of "overuse" of PM, TOP has 50% vs 20% in PM. (when compared to NPO)
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This is *really* not the war IRON should be trotting this line out.
Well I suppose an entire fifty percent of TOP is out of peace mode in the closing stages of a war they are on the winning side of so they are really throwing their weight in for once.
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What if we want unconditional peace for all? I don't see an option for that
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Talking about dishonourable alliances, sup IRON?
Talking about fighting is Peace Mode? Really?
If TOP ever fought its own battles outside of Peace Mode I would have a heart attack, I really would.
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Given how some of the alliances at the head of the coalition spoke about "abolishing reps" it is very disappointing to see such terms bandied about. They may not be officially reparations, but the purpose is the same. To weaken the opponent at the benefit of yourself.
We all know that warfare is not about the numerical number you have on yourside. It is about the number you have in comparison to the other side. So gaining whilst your opponent stands still has the same impact as gaining as your opponent moves backwards, you still end up ahead. Given the inefficiencies of reparation gathering the difference between the two is really not at all great, if in existence at all.
I am greatly saddened that this means that I, like many others in this coalition, are now fighting for such a bullying and disgraceful tactic, whether we would want to or not, bound by our honour to fight for those that are so dishonourable. It sickens me and is a black mark against my name to be a part of this.
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Time was when there was an attempt to form a buyers union to lower tech prices back to 3 million per 100.
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ITT Ai And IRON sign back together as allies. Congrats to both.
My duck is bigger than your duck.
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Bloc treaties generally overrule NAP treaties-probably the main reason those treaties stop existing was people began to regard treaties as having a hierarchy, therefore they don't have to follow NAP when they have an MDP.
Or more likely the relevant parties forgot it really existed.
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Fox Fire, I am aware I have no authority over you, but as a longish standing member of I hope some regards within IRON, I hope you pay attention to this.
Do not post another word in this thread.
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White Peace/Surrender has a very distinct implication in CN. Because admitting defeat (no matter how well you fought) is such a taboo and performance in wars is analysed to death, people want a white peace. Surrender is seen as a humiliation. So White Peace gets used by the victors to denote those they do not want to humiliate, in effect a declaration that the war was one of short term tactical necessity and not a long term strategic goal. Those that they wanted to eradicate get asked to surrender.
This has essentially become the norm in CN because everyone expects to eventually chain into the losing side. So everyone wants to make sure that when it is there turn they get to have the white peace label rather than the surrender.
Result? Well expect various people to use their white peace label with pride, despite the fact that they barely went through the motions of fighting "because it was necessary" and offered peace almost immediately after the announcement despite being inactive for days. I appreciate that is not all alliances or even all members of certain alliances or even a majority, but it does seem to me that increasingly people care more about their rating on an arbitrary scale of OWF "wording" than actually standing their ground and fighting it out.
"Yay....I launched no attacks for a week but was active enough to immediately nail home my peace offer...but it was a white peace not a surrender so I can hold my head high."
/vomits
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give me a minute to leave anarchy and I will begin contributing again.
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The nation of Icicle City duly notes that the nation of Eragon was not 3 days before this conflict began carrying out offensive operations of its own against sovereign states. Therefore it is our considered opinion that you have declared yourself unrestrained by the international norms of peace and security and may not avail yourself of those norms when the tide turns against you.
If you do wish to beg for the undeserved mercy you seek it would be advisable for you to ask your alliance leadership to interject upon your behalf with the attacking nations. However I do not have faith that they will necessarily be able to given their somewhat underwhelming military state.
Further, we wish to warn you that the good lord Admin who presides over this meeting place has the power and desire to punish all those that come here under a false flag.
-Icewolf
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A Joint Announcement from Two Unlikely Alliances
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This treaty makes me happy