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So you're just going to ignore the fact that Ken did the precise same thing? In fact, what he did was worse considering that my negotiations with him were passed around to be ridiculed while SW was just giving his alliance a heads up. So when will you condemn the GOONS for doing the precise same thing?
To bring this back on topic, this is a peace announcement. I have no desire to escalate things back to a state of war, but when the GOONS are going to lie, I'm for sure going to call them out.
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To: KenMorningstar From: Jack Layton Date: 10/1/2014 5:17:24 PM
Subject: RE: Peace with War Jesus
Message: And you still felt the need to pick on little old us. Shameful. What did LN ever do to you?
No matter. I am willing to peace out all current wars and vacate Limited Nexus for Kashmir in exchange for GOONS peace with LN. You don't have anything to gain. I've shown you the numbers. We are inflicting more damage than we are taking. There is nothing to gain either from us or from LN. And frankly, most of LN is winning their wars (I've checked). Even if my nation is thoroughly defeated, it's not as if it's difficult to rebuild. What's more, is that it is coming at the prices of about 6 or 7 GOON nations so far. I'm starting to lose count. That isn't mentioning King Conrad's wars.
At this point, it would be in everyone's interests. Wouldn't you agree?
Sorry for posting more logs that show you're full of shit. Will your reply to me not be in words? I'm so scared. I don't know what war is.To: Jack Layton From: Anita Sarkeesian Date: 10/1/2014 9:49:14 PM
Subject: Peace with War Jesus
Message: And you still felt the need to pick on little old us. Shameful. What did GOONS ever do to you?
No matter. I am willing to peace out all current wars and vacate GOONS for Limited Nexus in exchange for LN peace with GOONS. You don't have anything to gain. I've shown you the numbers. We are inflicting more damage than we are taking. There is nothing to gain either from us or from GOONS. And frankly, most of GOONS is winning their wars (I've checked). Even if my nation is thoroughly defeated, it's not as if it's difficult to rebuild. What's more, is that it is coming at the prices of about 6 or 7 LN nations so far. I'm starting to lose count. That isn't mentioning some baby's wars.
At this point, it would be in everyone's interests. Wouldn't you agree?
So Rey, what were you saying about how Kashmir operates? -
Your concerns about how Kashmir operate seem to disappear whenever War Jesus has defended your alliance. Is that because it was more convenient for you then, or you're stretching for an argument now?Sure didn't refute anything. Nope, not at all. I certainly didn't say words that contradict yours.
It's all well that you run your alliance your way, but don't !@#$%* when you get called out on doing something that an "asshat" would.
I'm going to also note for the record that my communications with Kenmorningafterpill were posted internally to the GOONS because their younglings would try to taunt me with my communications quite pathetically. For Ken's hermones to flair up that SirWilliam did the same thing is quite hypocritical and he should visit a groinocologist. -
There is a pretty good argument against any position that treats them as an actual alliance. When viewed in the very best light they are ghosts, loud ones, but still ghosts operating under the sanction of a larger group.
Can't blame GOONS for wanting to hold people responsible, and honestly I would hope they do.
If they didn't recognize War Jesus before, they most certainly do now. As for the logs, it's a good lesson in 'Don't spout off when your opponent can prove otherwise'. -
Yes. You can see the pieces of GOONS dignity on the floor.
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You cannot negotiate from a position of weakness.
The position of weakness in question:
War Jesus Total NS Lost: 26912.51 NS
GOONS Total NS Lost to War Jesus: 52663.21 NS
Including winning virtually every war that we fought by large margins. Please, go ahead and verify my numbers. However, a couple GOONS deleted a couple of the more embarrassing wars they had against us, so those stats may no longer be available.
Isn't it funny how KenMorningafterpill talks about running away, and then in the same breath complains that peace was delayed because I wouldn't stop nuking the GOONS who declared on me when an agreement was reached? Does that sound like "running away" to anyone?
Isn't it sad that with their millions upon millions of infinite money, I started this war with a meagre $2 million and fought off - and defeated - a whole slew of opponents, most of whom matched me in terms of wonders/nukes? And isn't it telling that KenMorningafterpill thinks that the damage to the GOONS we inflicted "doesn't count" because they could easily repair it with their infinite millions. As if we can't. We certainly have far, far less to repair.
The fact of the matter, dollface, is that we didn't just win. We smoked you. You could keep sending your little girls to fight men, but you would only have the same result: utter defeat. The GOONS, an elite alliance of warriors with infinite money, was pounded anally by a "pathetic microalliance" and two "chump ghosts".Oh, and before I end off this message, here's a little something from the Kashmir forums that was brought to our attention:
To: SirWilliam From: KenMorningstar Date: 10/14/2014 10:34:59 PM
Subject: RE: Jack Layton
Message: I'm with you, but I'm getting massive pushback over this. Just hold off on the tech and let me work with my stubborn people.
I'm not wanting this to escalate and if in the end we get nothing because my guys are being asshats then that's fine, that's on them.
I don't see an end to jacks wars today or tomorrow though just giving you a heads up. Let him keep nuking GOONS and we will see if they get tired of it,----
To: SirWilliam From: KenMorningstar Date: 10/9/2014 3:21:33 AM
Subject: RE: War Jesus
Message: I understand your outlook on this but unfortunately the council has decided we will continue prosecuting the war against War Jesus.
It's a principles thing. You know how it is, you were in my position for a long time.
I am requesting you do not allow them full membership as we will continue throwing babby GOONS at them until they run out of money and willpower.
That said I will allow them to go for a token 500 tech to be paid by anyone. As you are very aware we have to stick to our guns when it comes to ghosts. If we don't we lose a lot of future rogue battles since they will think we will let them off if they just hold out. If we can extract even a small token amount of reps we can maintain a viable face to future rogues.
I'm sorry it has to come to this but you know our policies and you know how we need to stick to them to maintain our external integrity.Do you chaps see that last part? He demanded reps because the GOONS would look like a bunch of pathetic clowns if they didn't get them, despite losing the war with infinite money against just two nations.
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I'm not going to hit you guys for comments. As long as none of you attack Limitless Nexus or our allies, I don't plan to attack Kashmir. However if another attack occurs, things will only escalate from there.
Baaaaackpedal....backpedal....backpedalbackpedalbackpedalbackpedal.....
If Kashmir insists on war; we will focus our attention on you. So be careful what you wish for. You're making it hard to let go of that incident without grudges when you choose to continuing posting about it like its some type of achievement.
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I feel like we've done this before. Have we done this before?
Not only have we done this before, his memory is so short he doesn't even remember how it went last time. Literally, it would be like those Christmases where Mom makes fresh cinnamon buns and Dad isn't drunk for once. And the tree is full of gifts just for you. And your pervert Uncle who normally slithers down the chimney dressed as Santa with a dirty bag of crap toys slung over his back has a business meeting in San Diego. Just perfect.
So the question is, will methrage declare war on kashmir because Jack Layton makes him upset?
Stay tuned!
It would be an honour.
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If Kashmir insists on war; we will focus our attention on you. So be careful what you wish for. You're making it hard to let go of that incident without grudges when you choose to continuing posting about it like its some type of achievement.
Oh my, please do it. You have no idea how happy that would make me! If I switch to DEFCON5 and demilitarize, will you do it?
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Inactive? You mean the guy twice my size that ate 2 nukes and disappeared and is losing 5 mill cash plus lots of infra and tech or the two little guys who gave up? I assure you I will choose my next round of AE scum more wisely and still would like to point out I have 2 slots open for any "active" AE to occupy or some more "tech" raiders... :nuke: Guess where the next nuke is going? :v:
Are you talking about this war?
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Mmmmmm....are we dirty, naughty bags that need a good cleaning? And you can't wait to scrub us down ;)?
Well sorry, pal. Not interested. More Rota's thing. Go get yourself off on another thread with that perverse crap. Though I admit I'm getting a good laugh. -
With how many times you've ZIed individuals, I don't see why your so resistant to Rey receiving the punishment his own gov agreed to. Rey is almost ZI now, if no one interferes this could be done with soon. I don't like the idea of third parties involving themselves to try forcing an altering of the deal, but Rey only has about 80 Infra left. If you want to agree on something like this after his sentence has been carried out properly, then everyone can likely walk away with no grudges.
We defend our allies no matter the cost. From what I can see, this agreement you mention no longer appears to be in effect. It's a veritable mess of negotiated, partially-accepted, and rescinded agreements. As such, we are inclined to defend LPH. Put it this way. You can accept the terms I have presented to you today in full and be guaranteed of no further attacks from either LPH or War Jesus. And if LPH decides to violate the agreement, they will not have our backing. Or you can destroy the 80 infra Rey has left and come back to the negotiating table and have nothing to offer us and not be guaranteed of no further War Jesus attacks (especially against stonewall). Consider this as a swap of the grudge being dropped against stonewall if you extend the same to Rey. I'm trying to kill two birds with one stone for you here and I think I've been rather reasonable. If you and Rey agree to this, we can all walk away and never deal with this crap again.
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King Conrad and I know each other in person and coordinate heavily. If it is required, you could have his word personally that no further attacks on LN (unless in defence) will happen. If that is the issue, we can arrange that. I think I'm being quite accommodating. If you wish to negotiate peace in a few days, I'm not sure if I may be in a mood to offer the same agreement (pending Rey accepting it too). Kashmir has already gotten its pound of flesh from stonewall. If you wish for a separate agreement with LPH, that's fine too. But in reality, there's nothing you can really offer us other than peace with LPH.
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We are defending ourselves against unprovoked attacks. LPH attacked us. The only deal I think will have a lasting impact on peace is the one SirKiloist proposed, but now Rey has indicated he is rescinding it. Peace with LPH will be worked out between us at an appropriate time, but each additional attack on our AA by people wanting to be included as part of some bigger side just makes any discussions with LPH on peace the last thing on my mind.
If you want to threaten my people with whatever it is you're threatening us with, imagine yourself as that Persian Messenger which got kicked down that pit in 300.
Madness you say? This is Limitless Nexus.
You seem eager to try and be a victim of some sort. Threatening you? I just spent the last few hours trying to negotiate a peace settlement that would be acceptable to you and long-lasting (which you rejected). Does peace threaten you? I haven't threatened to attack you or your alliance with no cause. I have always stated my desire to defend LPH. If you were not at war with LPH, we wouldn't be talking.
As for Dumb as a DoorNail, can you please stop trying to make this about you? Nobody cares about the circumstances under which you were defeated. I don't even care. This thread is about something different. If you wish to cry about it more, I can recommend a good therapist. Seriously, calling me a "rogue" doesn't insult me or intimidate me in the slightest. I'm unsure what you are trying to accomplish, but it's certainly not working.I'd like to say that you have the intelligence of a six year old every single time you bring up someone's size or rank. That's a really silly form of attacking somebody and you should be ashamed.
We Kashmiri are used to having our philosophy misunderstood. I change my nation strength to suit the needs of my alliance and my allies. If I need to be stronger, I increase. If I need to be weaker, I decrease. The principle is quite simple. I'm uninterested in being a 100,000NS nation with nothing to do but sit on billions of virtual dollars doing absolutely nothing. Being part of the action is what makes the game interesting. Losing pixels doesn't concern me. When I first started playing, I got curbstomped left and right by random raiders. I learned how to protect myself, to fight, and to develop a stronger nation. It's part of the process. If someone quits because I have attacked them (for whatever reason), that's unfortunate. But they weren't serious players anyway. Virtually all of us went through that process. I make no apologies for playing the game my way.
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I see the reason why you keep posting in this thread is to remind everyone of the beating your alliance took, otherwise you wouldn't be continually whining about how your alliance was crushed nearly a year ago. Time to move on and stop derailing the thread.
If Methrage finds my proposed peace agreement unacceptable and wishes to continue hostilities, then we will be forced to defend LPH as usual. It's too bad as I thought that agreement was rather satisfactory for everyone and we could have ended this tonight. Ah well.
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Thank you for proving the point I just made, more instigating from ..What alliance you in? Ah yes, the alliance you are sitting in at 17th position right now. Wow, you were 12th earlier, they are really kicking your ass aren't they? :)
I'm such a warmongering rogue that my last war was started on July 2nd in defence of RIOT Society. And even then, I was the defender. Other than the war I just declared today on an unaligned nation of which my opponent has literally not yet fired a single shot. 3200 infra disappears from my nation in a single day with my troop level clearly far above what would normally be possible at my current infra level and my last war being two months ago. Nah, couldn't possibly have sold all that infra. Which leads to your second point. If I'm selling thousands of infra to get to a lower NS, do you really think my goal is to build up as high as possible? My goal is to defend the little guys and keep them in the game. Something you wouldn't understand.
I don't know why you keep posting in this thread. To remind everyone of the beating your alliance took? This isn't about you. You don't intimidate anyone, so why don't you go play in traffic?
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What a crybaby. Defeated his alliance nearly a year ago and he's still whining about it. Sheesh.
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Conrad already made clear his attacks weren't about helping Rey, but you guys being an existential threat to Limitless Nexus. As long as we exist, we should expect more attacks by you guys. Kashmir trying to attack, blackmail and threaten us into doing what they want doesn't make me want to comply.
If it suits your fancy, in addition to the agreement above, I am willing to add:
4. War Jesus and LN agree to no further attacks on each other indefinitely.
4(a). War Jesus reserves the right to attack LN in the event that LN attacks LPH or any other War Jesus/Kashmir ally.
4(b). LN reserves the right to attack War Jesus in the event that War Jesus attacks LN or any other LN ally.
I don't have the authority to make a Kashmir-wide agreement. I can only speak on behalf of my squad. However, Kashmir itself has no desire for further war against LN. They don't particularly like you, but are content to leave you be.
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While other deals have been discussed, none have had a final conclusion made on them. Although good to know LPH has no intention of peace with LN.
We have friends and allies, we don't need a one sided relationship such as a protectorate. All I need to do is say no to peace at this point and continue the fight. We'll see how things play out, but its to early for me to discuss peace considering the new participants.
Within the span of almost exactly one hour, you went from having claimed that the only reason for continued war is LPH's reluctance to reach an agreement to stating yourself "it is too early to discuss peace". I have proposed an agreement for you to consider that would remove Rey's protection should he violate the agreement. You have refused to consider it. It seems you are the one who is reluctant to reach a peace agreement. Not that it matters. Without an agreement barring our involvement, War Jesus will continue to defend LPH as usual.
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I don't have a particular interest in peacing out every rogue who attacks LN at their convenience.
As Pansy correctly points out, you have gotten your retribution and retaliated. I'm unsure why you insist on continuing to pursue the matter for the sake of a couple hundred infra. However, for what it's worth, I'm willing to sweeten a possible peace deal:
1. LPH and LN agree to immediately peace out all existing wars.
2. LPH and LN agree to no further declarations of war with each other.
2(a). Should LPH be in violation of this agreement, War Jesus agrees to not defend LPH for the duration of that conflict (no matter how much we may want to).
2(b). Should LN be in violation of this agreement, War Jesus reserves the right to defend LPH for the duration of that conflict.
3. This agreement will not expire until one side abrogates it by declaring war on the other.
I don't speak for Rey. I'm just trying to mediate here. Is this acceptable to you? -
We can have a simple solution to all this. Everyone just peaces out and goes their separate ways. LPH will not attack LN anymore. LN will not attack LPH anymore. Your desire to see Rey ZI'd will be prevented by the fact you have no nations capable of performing it and the fact that Rey has a whole host of allies willing to prevent that without being asked to. Take what you can get, honestly.
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I know I said I would stop posting here, but in light of further threats against LPH, I have downgraded myself more into LPH's range. Any further attacks on LPH will be met with the brutal force of War Jesus as LPH is under our protection. Any further provocations against LPH (such as the placing of bounties or threats of ZI) may also induce us to respond with similar nuclear force. Furthermore, War Jesus supports the retaliatory action taken by our allies RIOT Society and will also defend them in the event of an escalation. Methrage, it is in your best interest to let this die out and walk away, lest your mercenary stonewall get reduced to 10NS again.
Also, DoorNail, I think your experience with the crackpipe is showing because we didn't run from anything. I guess your revisionist history is clear now that you're claiming Kashmir is backing off because of a few aid drops when peace was accepted AFTER that aid was looted by King Conrad. That's no matter, however. We may speak again sooner than you think.
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I remember you and your other friend from Kashmir scurried off like cowards after we got some help to get youI love how you call us cowards while in the same breath admitting that you needed help to pick on two frail, pacifist nations like us. Besides, I take the term "rogue" as a compliment. To me "rogue" just means I kicked some alliance's behind either by myself or with a tiny group of like-minded...enthusiasts. The term "rogue" just comes out when they can't do anything about it and start whining. I recall destroying a bunch of pathetic alliances in December 2013. Was yours one of them? I can't remember.
As for Rota, how many times has it been? Four? Five times I've ZI'd you? Regardless, it looks like at least Kashmir's involvement in this mess is over in the interest of diplomatic relations. As much as I'd love to stroll down memory lane and reminisce about the various times I've crushed the both of you, I've got better things to do like watch paint dry. Adios.
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Don't have much sympathy for unprovoked attacks and rogues.
Have some aid to rid this world of the stench that plagues your vicinity.
Who said anything about being unprovoked? It was provoked by them existing.
Limitless Nexus Update
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1. Ken did it too, so stop whining.
2. Get back on topic, you thread derailer.