Courland

[quote name='Emperor Marx' timestamp='1333417706' post='2947575'] I do not know why we're bothering to explain how diplomacy works and why to mirco alliance leaders and members. [/quote] You are not explaining how diplomacy works, you are explaining how bullying works: 1) Raid defenseless tech trader with 3 nations geared for war. Why? Because you are much stronger than them and know you can get away with it. 2) See smaller alliance, demand reparations for interfering with your bullying. Why? Because you are much stronger than them and know you can get away with it. Well, MONGOLS decided that taking a beating from the schoolyard bully was preferable to being bullied. My apologies for not playing by your almighty rules of (gunboat) "diplomacy."

[quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1332905326' post='2944033'] MONGOLS has said no to 18m. There's really no lower we can go on reps than that. That can literally be accomplished by a single nation in one round of aid. That's less than 1m per nation MONGOLS has. We're not the ones being unreasonable/irrational. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerisdisL7.jpg[/img] [/quote] Oh, Beefcurtains...I think its cute how you pretend the 18 million dollar offer has been on the table the entire time. Let's been honest, my fine furry friend, the last numbers I heard were somewhere in the range of 180 million for MONGOLS and 300 million for Kaskus. But what's a factor of 10 between friends? However, if you want to save face and keep up the public charade that the 18 million dollar number is a real, I'm sure my alliance could probably be persuaded to accept...[i]but only on the condition that Kaskus be granted a white peace.[/i] I eagerly await both your denial and your hilariously unique reaction faces. *yiff*

[quote name='Beefcurtains' timestamp='1332396890' post='2941504'] I think I proved there's plenty of blood in the stone. The stone is merely stubborn. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerisdisL6.jpg[/img] I really, really hope this is your official plan. For a lot of reasons, including: 1) tl;dr 2) tl;dr 3) tl;dr 4) Way tl;dr. Well, good luck with that! [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerisyayL3.jpg[/img] [/quote] Good God. I don't know what disturbs me more, the fact that you stewed over that edit for 7 hours, or how much time you spend combing furry websites for your obnoxious reaction faces. Yiff in hell, Big Montana.

[quote name='Raider' timestamp='1332392192' post='2941481'] So GOONS is Rome and you guys are Carthage? That really isn't the most encouraging comparision to make. [/quote] I'd respond something to the effect of saying that despite the allusion I was thinking more Masada. We're way too small to represent Carthage, and Lord Bitburg is more Hagar the Horrible than Hannibal the Conqueror. However, I currently have a 60% warn status for mentioning real world events related to my ZI trap and the Germans' bombing of Pearl Harbor, so I'd better not.

[quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1332389204' post='2941460'] We've gotten plenty of "blood" from sturdier stones than you. :I Now if you're done being defiant, your people have my number to discuss our payment. [/quote] I'm sure you have. However, you're dealing with a bunch of half retarded lunatics. We are much more likely to [s]delete[/s] commit mass suicide when we are no longer able to prosecute this war than pay anything. In fact, after being deposed from my current position, I might even retire to a nice, new island nation and send leisurely tech packages to Kaskus as I attempt to pay off the great debt of honor I owe them. Fortunately, we have the resources to continue fighting for at least the next two months, so we haven't crossed that bridge yet. You should've just taken me into cyber bondage. It would have been way hotter.

The sword cuts both ways there, Beefcurtains. Over 3 million dong, 50 tech, and 2000 soldiers sent in aid to a beleaguered tech-raid victim, you are burning through pixels at an alarming rate. You can continue trying to get blood from a stone, but all you will do is make a desert and call it peace.

[quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1332297723' post='2941009'] Heh, blocked like 7 nukes in a row though . [/quote] I [i]knew[/i] I shouldn't have told you how to turn on your SDI...

[quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1331590819' post='2937306']These is the saddest and most laughable strategy ever. They're going to defeat GOONs by "tearing up our lower, non-wondered nations." I suppose that's supposed to make us want to surrender.[/quote] You don't know the half of it. I plan on achieving ZI, thereby allowing me to attack your recruits in the fetal stage before they even join. I'll also be dropping the remains of my warchest on hookers and blow as part of the Grand MONGOL Strategy. Between the recruit abortions and the SUPER AIDS you'll get from attacking my drug addled sex den, you GOONS don't stand a chance. If you don't surrender soon, don't say I didn't I warn you when you're sitting alone in the tub and hosing your genitalia off with bleach...

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1330608075' post='2931197'] WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!! [/quote]

[quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1330606188' post='2931186'] I almost feel bad for nuking the OP now. [/quote] Don't worry about it man. It's less painful than sitting here reading page after page of overly analytical discussion of pixel politics. Seriously though, check that SDI. Sometimes it trips the breaker. I've found if you look to the left of your hidden CIA wonder, you can usually find it. See you tonight my friend.

[quote name='Ardus' timestamp='1330605051' post='2931183'] Schatt takes shots at the alliance murdering you and you show your ass to him? Well done. [/quote] I show my ass to everyone. Especially the people taking 6 nukes a day to my one...(btw, Sardonic, have you tried turning your SDI on yet?) However, you're going to have to color me sheepish. I read the first paragraph and assumed it was more GOON propaganda before bailing. Since you made me feel guilty, I went back and actually read the post (woe is me!). I must have picked up Lord Bitburg's extra chromosome for a minute. My apologies to Mr. Schattenmann. Don't worry though...I'm sure I'll be back to continue outraging Methrage's sense of forum decorum later today.

[quote name='Tygaland' timestamp='1330600569' post='2931162']I didn't insult him at all, I critiqued his argument. But seeings as the calibre of his posts are about on par with yours I can see why you jumped in to help a fellow !@#$poster.I'll add that I also addressed his "content" in the same sentence you took me to task on. [/quote] Damn. And I spent 30-45 minutes writing my thesis and getting my "argument" together for critique too. If only I had added more self-congratulatory quotes, specious arguments, and inane !@#$%^&* I might have found more acceptance.

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1330595429' post='2931140'] Any Mongol to stupid to read is now declared defeated or is it the other way on that? This thread is going places. [/quote] Oh, the pseudo-intellectual irony! LRNTOOGRAMMAR

You're welcome. I'm only praying that Schattenmann was playing some kind of cosmic joke on the posters here by tricking them into reading his shaggy dog story. Otherwise, the effort to value ratio makes me sad for him.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1330401979' post='2929716'] . . . and he's sure to do your job for you. Today, GOONS stands at war with MONGOLS following the aiding of a GOONS raid target by a few Mongols nations. It is the position of GOONS that this Mongols aid constitutes "war aid" and is an act of war. Indeed, it is commonly held that aiding an alliance at war is an act of war. But is it commonly held that a techraid is an alliance war, or that aiding a techraid victim is an act of war against the raider, or more seriously against the raider's alliance? Weighty questions, indeed. We know that the most common position of alliances that allow raiding is that it is an at-your-own-risk activity. Why is that? Precisely because the raiding nation is engaging in a risky behavior for personal gain rather than in an alliance-level activity for alliance gain. It is, simply, a gamble: You win some, you lose some. Maybe the victim nukes you, maybe the victim is a NONE sleeper, maybe the victim is protected, or maybe the victim happens to have the skills to make your intended raid a real nation-nation war. To mitigate these risks, most raiders coordinate with alliance mates. But the alliance itself is still off the hook because at the end of the day they have no commitment to blow alliance resources on personal screwups. True, there are a very few alliances whose governments will get involved if things go sour; at a certain point the alliance has to decide at what point the losses on an individual level begin to become alliance-level losses. But the central tenet, regardless of stance on at-risk or not, of raiding has always been that raids are [i]different [/i]than wars; in fact, that raids are [i]not [/i]wars. We need look only as far as the Athens-Knights of Ni! episode where Athens opted to call their alliance-scale attack on KoN a "raid" rather than a war and option to not post a declaration of war. More recently, Non Grata pulled the same stunt with AGW Overlords, and "raided" rather than "declared war upon" AGWO, an alliance of more than 20 nations and 2,000,000 NS. In each case, the attacking alliance had all the power and clout to outright declare war on the targets, but [s]opted[/s], nay, refused to acknowledge that the raids were wars, and insisted upon referring to their wars as raids. And so we come to the instance of aid by MONGOLS to a GOONS raid target, which GOONS claims to be war aid, an act of war against GOONS. For this position to be true, the battles between the GOONS raiders and the target must be a "war," a definition that has been vehemently argued against by raiders for [u]years[/u]--a distinction that GOONS has made--but which does not suit GOONS [i]today[/i]. Witness, dear reader: [b]Vanilla Napalm[/b] [snapback]2929614[/snapback] "If that is the case, you're misinterpretting the circumstances as well as not paying attention to what i said to the other guy. We are not 'bailing anyone out', we're taking exception to a group [b]aiding something we're at war with.[/b] The circumstances in which the war was initiated are entirely irrelevent to our decision vis-a-vis MONGOLS." [b]ktarthan[/b] [snapback]2929627[/snapback] "GOONS is not defending its members from the raided nation. They're defending its members from a third party intentionally taking action that could cause harm to said members. In my eyes [b]war aid is just as aggressive an action as declaring actual wars.[/b]" [b]Beefspari[/b] [snapback]2929654[/snapback] "We don't share the same views on raid vs war as you and that's all there is to it. [b]A raid is a war, and is held to the same standards as any war.[/b] Which includes third parties not getting involved." [b]Sardonic[/b] [snapback]2929668[/snapback] "It's very simple. Another alliance [b]aided somebody at war[/b] with one of our members. That the conflict between the initial nations was a raid is irrelevant. There is nothing 'pissweak' about pushing an alliance's sovereignty to the fullest extent, and defending it with all available force. All threats to the alliance will be dealt with. I see you're obviously too set on the old, outdated ways, so I'll leave you to it, and advise my fellows to do the same." The final word from Sardonic, [i]avant garde[/i] Pilot of GOONS and advocate of the new definition of techraids as alliance wars. But, dear reader, what is the challenge that sparks this response? When, indeed? When. indeed. To answer Beefspari's audacious question we need not turn so far back in time as the distinction itself extends. No, we need only turn back 15 pages of time. It's February 12, 2012, and Non Grata has "mass-raided" AGW Overlords, a war to which I previously alluded. The objections have come in, and Zoomzoomzoom of Non Grata laments: The ever-pithy Schattenmann wastes no time in his reply: Ever the loyal allies to Non Grata in deed and in word, ever the invested raiders, GOONS wades into the fray: The answer, my dear Beefspari, appears to be "two weeks ago." And that is no surprise, because if you let a goon talk long enough, he'll eventually do the heavy-lifting for you. Or, in the words of Tyga and Trimm: And so we come once more to the criss-crossing arguments of GOONS, the shifting sands, the mobile goalposts. [/quote] So yeah....I'm just going to go ahead and declare life victory by virtue of not having made it past the second paragraph. Any MONGOL stupid enough to fumble their way through that in its entirety is hereby declared defeated, disgraced, and infinitely dumber for the experience.

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