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[quote name='kriekfreak' timestamp='1315947380' post='2799925'] It's actually 15mil, but I digress. I think we all made our stances clear. Both our alliances agreed on the reps and that is it. Next time NG raids a high-profile rogue in war with SC or BN, we'll pay 15mil too. Sounds fair? I think it does. [/quote] [color="#8B0000"]NG should never pay reps for something like that..... unless of course theyre raiding me [/color]

[color="#8B0000"]Why is it that micros demand to be treated equally here in the global political arena, but when negotiations go in a way they disapprove of they scream extortion? You guys need to swallow the fact that reps were demanded of you, because in reality, this shouldnt have happened. Methrage has soo much publicity as a rogue and has been soliciting nations for aid. If your gov is ignorant of this, than they should be kicked. It was your responsibility to inform your alliance on such a high profile case. Also, stop complaining that the reps are unfair because only one nation aided him. An Alliance's most basic function is as an insurance policy. One nation gets attacked or Fs up, the rest backs him, and that nation backs the alliance when someone else $%&@s up. SO STOP WHINING. Also, as many have pointed out, reps are based on current and future damage caused by the aid, not how many members you have. Besides 30 mil isnt that much. Chill the $%&@ down and do the smart thing, pay your damn reps. [/color]

[quote name='Dochartaigh' timestamp='1315755878' post='2798722'] really.... You have no clue what you are talking about. Cash is almost always considered easier than tech. I would pay $30 million and not consider it anywhere remotely as harsh than even 500 tech. (same amount of slots used btw) Also, I have been hearing that the amount that was asked is only $15 million per person who aided. So that is only $15 million from Sigrun and $15 million from that dude in PM. So, now it is only half of the actual amount from Sigrun. Which means 5 slots used and over with in a single day to pay reps out.... Yeah that is remotely close to the few weeks it took for DT to pay their reps. [/quote] [color="#8B0000"]Yes, its so close that it is unthinkable that you could say otherwise [/color]

[color="#8B0000"]Dear Methrage, please stop bringing innocent people into your !@#$ storm. Instead of losing terribly and having to solicit aid from ppl when you know theyll be punished, why dont you get some ppl, grow a huge ass warchest, and THEN go rogue. This way you wont get your trade partners killed while you fight your holy crusade.[/color]

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1315717429' post='2798551'] Not 10+ pages into it, which is where someone from Non Grata said anyone who send me money for tech deals will be attacked. Not sure if they even mentioned my alliance-mate or not since it was buried so deep in the thread. [/quote] [color="#8B0000"]sry to burst your bubble, but im pretty sure NG announced that on the first page. I think it was post 3[/color]

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1315680229' post='2798211'] I thought you were smarter than this, but you're way off. [/quote] Wait, so soliciting aid and tech deals from people when youre at war and KNOWING that those who aid or do tech deals with you will be punished, is having respect and sympathy for them? This seems way too stupid so i must have missed something...

[quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1315635282' post='2797903'] I agree let's get this back to how awful NG's tech deal policy is. [/quote] [color="#8B0000"]Yeah... sure.... it sucks.... what is it again [/color]

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1315634355' post='2797895'] I'll reply to this one last post of yours just to make clear, nothing you say is relevant to my interests and never will be. Post as much as you want, but your previous posts have already made clear to me you are someone who I don't care what you think. [/quote] [color="#8B0000"]May i ask why you dont care what i think? [/color]

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1315634031' post='2797893'] I respect you as a former member of The Citadel, but bragging about all my war successes on the ground I think is pointless and not good advice. I see no need to try humiliating my opponents with each attack they fail on or that I get successfully on them, wars are fought with our nations, not on the forum. Later the war could go any way, they're not won within the first few days (or even months if we're talking about the larger war with Non Grata). [/quote] [color="#8B0000"]do you actually believe all the !@#$ you say? or are you doing it to be funny, because either way it is funny[/color]

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1315633349' post='2797883'] I don't care what people say unless they give me reason to care about their opinion, I still see no reason to try entertaining people by posting war reports. Send me some aid and I'll send you all the battle reports you want though. [/quote] [color="#8B0000"]Yes, because winning means you resort to soliciting aid on the OWF [/color]

[quote name='Thorgrum' timestamp='1315633224' post='2797880'] Every court has to have a Jester Methrage. You arent suggesting you really care what others are going to say, are you ? [/quote] [color="#8B0000"]Maybe hes just trying to entertain us all. It wouldnt be fun if he just spouted a bunch of random !@#$. he wants us to provoke him for entertainingly pointless drama[/color]

[quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1315632749' post='2797867'] No I would say you were talking about how Methrage should be destroyed.These posts don't count either I guess. [/quote] [color="#8B0000"]Fine, you caught me [/color] [quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1315632836' post='2797869'] Not really, even against your strongest guy I won both ground attacks today. Free $2m cash easy despite being nuked. [/quote] [color="#8B0000"]There are a few things i have to say A) Stop responding to me as you and implying i am NG. I am NOT. B) do you think 2 mil is alot of money, especially considering youve been nuked C) do you believe that the amount of money you take is an accurate indicator of whos winning?[/color]

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1315632644' post='2797866'] Funny that alliances like ODN assist Non Grata despite them considering you an irrelevant and worthless alliance regardless. [/quote] [color="#8B0000"]ever hear the expression the enemy of my enemy is my friend? oh, it also appears your losing terribly in your little war.[/color]

[quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1315632348' post='2797858'] I don't think you're in that position either. So by your own argument your opinion doesn't matter either. [/quote] [color="#8B0000"]It wouldn't if i was talking about how to deal with methrage and friends, but i was talking about his opinion and how i perceive it[/color]

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1315631988' post='2797849'] Because they are so fail they can't even do that right, they're failing badly and bringing it to the attention of everyone that they are failing and can't defeat a 2 man AA. [/quote] No, im pretty sure the main purpose of this was to say "hey, you know that methrage guy? well, if you aid him in any way shape or form, we gonna come after you" Not, "HOLY !@#$@#$ !@#$! THIS METHRAGE GUY IS KICKING OUR ASS!"

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1315631544' post='2797844'] Some might agree with you, others don't. Which is why Non Grata will never succeed in their mission this war. [/quote] Yes, this war is NG's mission. They will stop at absolutely nothing until you're destroyed. Their whole existence is on killing you and driving you off of bob..... Why dont you just admit they're better than you and surrender?

[quote name='Gibsonator21' timestamp='1315631103' post='2797841'] I thought people were [i]against[/i] driving people from the game? [/quote] >_> Let me rephrase, We All want methrage to go away for awhile

[quote name='MrHavok' timestamp='1315628421' post='2797814'] You seem to be missing the point - that NG isn't infringing on anyone's rights but is instead simply looking to cut off funding to a rogue. This post has been edited by SirWilliam: Today, 10:13 PMNo I see your point, however they are threatening other people with war and reps who may not know the situation and thinks they are simply doing tech deals, which goes back to my point that if they don't check the owf then they aren't knowingly aiding meth rage who is at "war" They see it as cutting off funding. I see it as restricting the flow of services in a legit private deal between two nations and they don't have the right nor the might to enforce that globally [/quote] There are reasons why you're wrong. A) Ignorance is no excuse in the eyes of the law. If i go sell some LSD and get caught, but i didnt know that what i was doing was illegal and just saw it as a normal business transaction, the consequences wont just magically disappear. If you go conduct your business transaction with methrage and you dont know NG has prohibited that, well tough !@#$. Maybe you should have researched your seller seeing every so often we have tech scammers and rouges like methrage. B) Seeing as you're not in the position to regulate or deregulate aid to methrage, and NG is, your opinion on the matter doesnt count. NG is doing whats best to kill methrage, something we all want. leave them alone

[quote name='Believland' timestamp='1315435583' post='2796517'] Can I assume you're competent enough to use a [url="http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/TOP"]wiki?[/url] [/quote] Ive already looked at it, I just thought it would be better if someone from TOP came and clarified for those who obviously do not. I honestly have not formed an opinion on whether TOP is clogging up the treaty web and is contributing greatly to global stagntion, probably because there hasnt really been any intelliget conversation on the matter, mainly just, "your stupid" "no u".

[quote name='Yevgeni Luchenkov' timestamp='1315434870' post='2796511'] Except the "rest of the community" was a few idiots (HoT, that rebel dude, etc.) pointing out wrongly that we have "13 treaties" (which we do not). I was speaking of "dozens" of treaties. We don't have that, unless you count OUT and our protectorate. I was speaking of treaties "overlapping" several blocs. We don't have that again, unless you count OUT.Moreover, any intelligent member of that community knows full well what I meant by my comment. It's one thing to have a single treaty (we hold a couple ODPs) treatying you to a member of a bloc. TOP's FA is pretty clear and united. Should a war happen, you know where we will fall and go. It's another thing entirely to have multiple treaties with several members of [i]several blocs[/i]. Those alliances are the ones blocking the cyberverse and preventing wars from happening, if only because nobody is quite sure where they will fall AND they have the potential to bring a lot of alliances on their side, should those alliances decide to favor 2nd degree MoADPs to their first degree ties.We know, we were there pre-Karma, along with a few other alliances.Also, please, let us go back to the subject at hand, which is the war between Ordo Paradoxia (or a few rogues) and GOD. This is off subject. [/quote] No, this is totally on subject, because as kzoppistan pointed out, Ordo Paradoxia is trying to liberate us from stagnation (and GOD) somehow (i wasnt really paying attention). Also, you know what would really clarify this whole "TOP has treaties that overlap many blocs and theyre hipocrites debate"? If someone from TOP actually comes out and, i dont know, gives us a list of their current treaties. Just my thoughts on the matter

[quote name='Believland' timestamp='1315432757' post='2796494'] Well, you were saying that we were the cause of the stagnation. So unless we have ties to all of the blocs and are stopping any war (we aren't and we don't) or you're just full of !@#$ (you are).However, if you would like to prove how we are the cause of stagnation, please do so. [/quote] Actually i think he said you were contributing to stagnation by having ties to some blocs and many treaties, which integrates you into this very vast thing called the treaty web which has a tendancy to cause stagnation.... also, you dont seem to have provided the information that HoT requested and stated he would eat his underpants over. if im incorrect in any of these statements, feel free to correct me using things like Facts

lol, i just realized my forum account says im still UBD and also, I would like to congratulate sippy for predicting the impending doom

Eh, Theyll end up killing you at some point

[quote name='James Maximus' timestamp='1314407368' post='2789033'] I was under the impression this was a QnA thread, many alliances post them so I must ask what has offended you so much about ARES doing one? [/quote] No, im not offended by it, it just pisses me off when alliances try to pass off their [b]QnAs[/b] as [b]announcements[/b]

[quote name='Jtkode' timestamp='1314400364' post='2788969'] I'm not saying I want respect in general, I want the respect any working alliance should have, like people not yelling saying were dead 24/7 when we are honestly making that effort to survive and thrive. Its basic respect that I believe everyone deserves. [/quote] Noone just deserves respect. Especially not someone who feels the need to remind us that their alliance exists. You see, most people do not actively hate or dislike you, they just dont give a $%&@. So go run your alliance and stop worrying what we think about you, im sur you have bigger problems. (BTW a competent/capable leader does not make announcements that are just him/her exercising their bloated ego)