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[quote name='Andre27' timestamp='1285528936' post='2465342'] Somehow i doubt if it would matter if KN meets the definition when it comes down to the payment of reparations. It does influence the possibility of the use of sanctions against KN. Sanctions against rogues are easily requested and often granted. Sanctions against an alliance during war is something completely different though. [/quote] Even though they are rogues, when they are part of a "legitimate" alliance, this makes them rogue no more? Could you explain this to me?

[quote name='RePePe' timestamp='1285525588' post='2465301'] There's a difference between a strawman and hyperbole. [/quote] Then it's a good thing that he decided on the hyperbole approach, yes?

[quote name='Jakome' timestamp='1285504649' post='2465110'] I would like to see schat step back take a deep breath and realize he is spending way to much time focusing on GOONS. [/quote] And then maybe he can build up his Alliance some more, instead of trying, poorly mind you, to tear others down.

[quote name='Bavaricar' timestamp='1285513393' post='2465168'] 1. Most of the targeted war aid is coming from their allies, not most alliance aid overall. As for the "tech deals" defense, they are not tech deals when the nations in question spend or lose most or all of the money fighting their wars. 2. Requesting sanctions on alliances that attack you with posted DoWs is not a standard procedure. 3. Pointing out that everyone is weaker alone sort of takes the wind out of your sails on this whole argument. Further, the greatest threat to the goons right now in the way of large nation infra loss is from Jim and he has 3 friends of goons on him. [/quote] 1. As Treasurer/Dongmaster I can tell you that you are completely wrong. I've coordinated far more intra-GOON aid than I've seen of MK sending aid (thank you MK) 2. You're not an alliance. Sorry. No. 3. ;_; (choson covered this nicely)

[quote name='Baldr' timestamp='1285461231' post='2464713'] What you posted was not true. It doesn't matter what time you said it, what matters is whether it is true or not. It wasn't true. It isn't true. It's a lie that you and others keep repeating. [/quote] Are your feelings hurt, sir? Dare I ask, "u mad"? Anyway, on topic-ish, this thread is dying, so I say we give it a burial at sea. Who's with me?

[quote name='dalstrs' timestamp='1285459931' post='2464694'] Good Job removing the rest of what I said which pretty much explains why it is called a war at times. [/quote] Dalstrs, my goon sir, if they don't leave out portions of your argument, then how can they slight you?

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1285454418' post='2464615'] A nation like Jim's--in the top 25--needs neither thing from anyone else. [/quote] I do believe that you mean in the top 100. Nation Rank: Ranked #90 of 21,059 Nations (0.43%)

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1285448245' post='2464546'] Standing up for my membership without paying unreasonable reps to those who would try extorting them. [/quote] We didn't even discuss reps or a system of paying it back. What fallacy will you state next?

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1285446980' post='2464531'] It was discussed on IRC or PMs in-game as well if I recall correctly. [/quote] Would you mind providing logs? I'm sorry, but you're not the type of person whose word I would accept.

[quote name='Phetion' timestamp='1285445617' post='2464502'] And so is aiding one's enemy. Tell me what would have happened if people went around "secretly" aiding FAN? Even voting for a senator was cause enough for an alliance to be rolled. [/quote] His argument is, you can't prove the act of war without committing one yourself, so they quite obviously cancel out (I couldn't help but laugh as I wrote this).

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1285397679' post='2464076'] Fortunately, we used GONS in coming to this decision before realizing its ironic bonus. [/quote] I fixed that for you Schattenmann. I hope you didn't mind. Also, could you please stop dodging? I feel that you have been drinking Bonk! Atomic Punch far too much (my nation's major export, although I'm not saying I dislike the money from it but have you [b]actually read[/b] the warning labels?). [quote name='JimKongIl' timestamp='1285397907' post='2464082'] You guys are cheap bullies plain and simple and the power that you have clearly shows how spineless CN as a whole has become. [/quote] And you aided a nuclear rogue.

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1285392319' post='2463998'] We're currently at 4 members, so we're not really a "2-man AA" anymore regardless. I guess we'll see how much farther will GOONS try stretching the definition of rogue to try pressuring other alliances to sanction for them in an alliance war, but the war has doubled membership so far. [/quote] The word "doubled" would be staggering if it didn't mean 2+2. (or 2x2 or 2^2 or etc)

[quote name='magicmountain' timestamp='1285390555' post='2463960'] That is exactly how this situation started. We were dutifully ignoring Methrage when he decided to attack us to get some kicks. [/quote] Well, another person in his AA attacked, we offered to discuss reps, but he then went crazy and attacked as well. Delicious rogues. [quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1285390776' post='2463966'] Well, magicmountain, that's not how it started at all! Methrage's other member attacked you (I don't know why) and for a very small window he would have been a rogue, but of course Methrage's entry into the war made it an alliance action. [/quote] Then it's a 2 man AA of rogues. Still not an alliance.

[quote name='JimKongIl' timestamp='1285383058' post='2463849'] SACNTIONS [/quote] Like he said, Red team really is the way to go

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1285380881' post='2463818'] Hopefully some of these senators or alliances on these colors realize they have no need to help GOONS here and shouldn't be sanctioning at their request. I've been sanctioned on all of those except pink and purple removed the sanction. Your not really a rogue here since you got involved helping me, so these sanctions shouldn't stick. [/quote] He's a rogue for being a lone nation that helped a rogue. Yes. He's a rogue. [quote name='JimKongIl' timestamp='1285382009' post='2463834'] Sometime, you should really try inflictive as much damage as I did tonight, it is quite cathartic. You guys might want to set aside some of that 270 million. that big fok pig you sicked on me alone lost 1000 land, 1000 infra and 250 tech. [/quote] I don't think that he cares that he lost anything. Still a drop in the bucket compared to what you've lost.

[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1285358199' post='2463507'] Rather than argue against the data itself I see a lot of GOONS just attacking his intentions for writing this as reason to discount it, even while admitting the data is mostly accurate and more than you guys have gathered to look at. If your members are attacking other alliance members unprovoked that is a CB for them to declare on you guys and activate the defensive treaties, so having any occur is unacceptable and members should be aware of serious consequences for when they attack a bad target, rather than just have a gov member pay a small fee to get them off the hook which seems to be the case. [/quote] And you're the person who instead of paying reps went rogue on GOONS.

[quote name='Heinlander' timestamp='1285308670' post='2463102'] Are those tassels are or are you lactating? [/quote] Both

[quote name='ChairmanHal' timestamp='1285299426' post='2462969'] Wow...who do they plan to pay reps to for that mistake? [/quote] I am in it as well. Am I also a mistake, kind sir?

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1285298278' post='2462949'] GONS [/quote] I love you, Schatt. Never change.

[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1285297635' post='2462936'] [color="#0000FF"]The exact color that burns through my soul[/color] [/quote] Well said. I for one welcome our Rebel Virginia overlord.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1285296818' post='2462924'] You're right, you're right. 10 every tenth day would be less of a problem. 5 this week then 2 that week, then 7 the next, and 3 the next would be different that once a day in real terms. Oh yeah, barrel of laughs. [/quote] Again. Most of those happened at the beginning of June. Then others have posted how many per- Actually, why am I wasting my time? You're just going to ignore any point I make.

[quote name='Fernando12' timestamp='1285296763' post='2462923'] No, I believe Schatt is once again pointing out the hypocrisy of GOONS. You charge $90mil for repeat mistakes when the mistake wasn't repeated by the same alliance just the same mistake but different culprit. Schatt is showing GOONS is at what, 100+ repeat mistakes... GOONS owes $9,000,000,000 [/quote] Good to see that you once again are out of your depth.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1285296288' post='2462913'] No I wrote a thread about how it's awfully funny that you demand $90m for repeated mistakes, but you yourselves can't stop making the same mistakes over and over again; for example, attacking protected and sanctioned alliances every day for 4 months. [/quote] Every day? You're taking your average statistic over all those days and now are pretending it's real? Ahahahahah. hah. hahaha. Oh. Wow. Nice.

[quote name='JimKongIl' timestamp='1285293446' post='2462861'] Why do you think, einstein? He sanctioned me. [/quote] I find no precedence for you to send the message at all, considering you [b]are[/b] a rogue and he [b]sanctioned you for it[/b].