Little Fame Monster

[quote name='supercoolyellow' timestamp='1289191785' post='2505763'] The love goes both ways Sentinal, and don't you forget it. <3 [/quote] I haven't and I won't.

The sheer amount of SCY in this announcement makes it an automatic win.

[quote name='Teddyyo' timestamp='1289191048' post='2505747'] James is officially a $%&@ however I must give him credit for letting Alex slide. I didn't expect him to be nearly as cooperative as he was. [/quote] You obviously weren't there for the peace negotiations.

[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1289189850' post='2505733'] You seem to forget that I'm the emperor of TIO, Skippy is just my minion. [/quote] Shhh. This is just to make people think that we're not all puppets of NpO...

[quote name='D34th' timestamp='1289189241' post='2505721'] We have no dogs, that said, this really worries me, this is the second time that a leader of an ally of Polaris decides to act like a idiot and rage quit but not without try to $%&@ with his alliance first. [/quote] I guess it just means it's a matter of time before Skippy snaps and destroys us all.

Funny that the peanut gallery is taking so much credit for doing this when James was the mastermind of all of it!

[quote name='KainIIIC' timestamp='1289189076' post='2505717'] guys guys, now we can all settle down.. and focus on who our REAL enemy is, GOONS (..meant only half-jokingly ) [/quote] You win the thread. Thanks for making my day.

[quote name='Skippy' timestamp='1289185538' post='2505653'] Have a good look at who signed the peace, and then at a certain person who's [b]not[/b] there (and their current positioning), and maybe, just maybe, you might piece together what might have happened overnight. [/quote] That's a lot of maybes that don't look like they'd ever get fulfilled.

[quote name='The MVP' timestamp='1289175710' post='2505371'] Really? Divulge them please, I'd love to hear! Was it a personal vendetta? Why, it can't possibly be! [/quote] You can speculate all you want. You'll never read our poker face. C WUT I DID THAR.

[quote name='Fernando12' timestamp='1289175608' post='2505365'] This is a massive joke. You guys pulled out because you lost the PR war. AcTi has not been pummeled much at all. You guys are bailing because of political pressure for YOUR aggressive war against AcTi. Try to spin it that you came to the defense of TKTB all you want. TKTB/SIRIUS was the aggressor in this war. SIRIUS needs to also learn to be more careful in its future dealings. You picked on AcTi and won nothing but a smear to your bloc. [/quote] Please, read the above post in response to MvP and stop patting yourself on the back because you think you turned things around.

[quote name='The MVP' timestamp='1289175374' post='2505350'] Let's be real, it was due to the outrage of most people here. No need to sugar coat anything. Congrats on peace though. [/quote] You give yourself too much credit. There was a lot of !@#$ going on that didn't involve the opinions of the OWF.

I have to say we're being way too nice on this.

[quote name='Fernando12' timestamp='1289167563' post='2505269'] Not sure what you're pointing out? Gray team cuz he got sanctioned? Or his total lack of wonders for a nation his size? James, one wonder siriusly? I would bet your war chest is just as bad. [/quote] Oh dear, have we run out of things to talk about?

[quote name='Hyperbad' timestamp='1289164474' post='2505225'] Their doing it is understandable. Even if they held your view of all friendships equating to mindless droning (or mob mentality if you prefer) they're still in the process of building that relationship up. Few would give the shirt off their back to someone they're still in the early stages of getting to know. I assume that's true for many as with it they'd be held accountable for their actions and nobody wants that. This announcement is honor neutral. The Conclave might not be fighting and dying besides Acti but they are offering assistance post war and aren't looking to cancel the treaty for some cheap reason. There is nothing inherently wrong with a lack of concern over what's the most honorable action. In fact I'd say those who feel the need to prove how honorable they are at every turn have a serious lack of self-confidence and massive amounts of insecurity. [/quote] ^ This. I just find it hilarious that everyone's jumping to criticize ConC for not activating their ODP when put in the same situation they would've not only not activated the treaty, but would've canceled it and distanced themselves as far as they could possibly go.

[quote name='Buds The Man' timestamp='1289159925' post='2505184'] Who made you the CN police and experts on diplomacy. This statement alone is assinine. Isnt this question better answered by the membership and their ability to vote or move on rather than your responsibility to educate. then pe The bolded part is currious does this mean you are trying to remove him from leadership? If it is thats a bad precedent. I have no love for Bat or AcTi but that is too much too far. Becareful the precedents you set for they may come back to haunt you later. No whining just commentary if you dont like it dont bring it to the OWF and the whole bring it line is so 2008 perhaps this would work better, if [b]YOU[/b] dont like try and shut me up or maybe a simple neiner neiner works as well. [/quote] Maybe you ought to read back a couple of pages and see that Arrnea's posts are in response to Schattenmann. He's not just bolding it for !@#$% and giggles. Maybe you also ought to realize that Arrnea is in SOS, and not a member alliance of SIRIUS. Finally, you've been doing all the "neiner"ing just fine for us with what you just said.

[quote name='Griff' timestamp='1289134276' post='2504989'] You saw an opportunity to blow up someone you didn't like and you took it. Simple as that. [/quote] Keep doing that. I love it when you make up what's going on in my mind for me.

[quote name='deathman1212' timestamp='1289129361' post='2504954'] Basically, AcTi would [b]NEED TO BE DECLARED ON FIRST[/b], they were not declared on first because [b]THEY ATTACKED ANOTHER ALLIANCE[/b]. Also, [b]a MDAP is not an ODP[/b]. No matter whatever way it is spun, e-lawyered, insinuated, forcefully shouted across a medium for interalliance communication. i bolded the parts that you need to look at. [/quote] You can put that in red, rainbows, Hell, light it up in all the neon lights you can find and people will still bring this point up 2 pages from here.

[quote name='leprecon' timestamp='1289116820' post='2504834'] Today I learned it is possibly to attack alliances by ruining one stagger on a rogue. [/quote] A supposed stagger where the alliance wasn't even attacking said rogue nation.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1289127263' post='2504929'] I thought you would see it my way. Edit: Ditto, Sentinal. [/quote] Of course. I'll be sure to stop forcing my diplomacy on others when they declared on us. You really have shown a light on me with your wisdom in diplomacy that you expect everyone to follow. Really Schattenmann, thank you.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1289127049' post='2504925'] Oh, so your boy THE big boss is illiterate and doesn't know what PoW means and/or the governments of the coalition are lazy or incompetent and couldn't be bothered to update target lists. You're already arranging reparations for that nation. I see. [/quote] Honestly Schat, I don't see much more than you grasping at straws with this. I'm sorry that nobody is on 24/7 to monitor the PoW lists.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1289126819' post='2504922'] Pfft. How predictable. They're already [url="http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=258497"]attacking their own PoWs[/url]. Listen close, AcTi nations: PoW camps are for schmucks. Don't be schmucks; use nukes. [/quote] Oh no. It couldn't just be that there were preset target lists and someone made an earnest mistake? Oh no no not at all. TCU are the evil. They must be stopped.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1289125709' post='2504909'] I was not aware that AcTi interfered in the prosecution of a rogue on AcTi, I withdraw my statements. [/quote] Oops. Also forgot that AcTi wasn't even retaliating against the rogue.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1289125234' post='2504902'] Frankly, what we have here is a case of what I'm going to name [i]Andromeda Syndrome[/i]. An impotent alliance (or group of impotent alliances) which have somehow managed to tie-in to a more powerful alliance(s) mistakenly believe that their association makes them as important as the alliance(s) they are allied to. As a result, over-reaching occurs. The "Andromeda" alliance(s) begins to believe that it is actually powerful, and as a result starts to exercise its "power" against individual(s) or alliance(s) which have not tricked out their ass in the way that the "Andromeda" alliance has. In the example of Andromeda Syndrome's nomenclature, reference the VE-allied micro alliance Andromeda zero-infrastructure/tech/land'ing Walford, a nation which had already been disenfranchised for 2 years at the time. The "Andromeda" thinks it is being supah clever and really funny, and/or really serious and helping the entire world. In fact, it is just posturing for the "VE" alliance(s) and puckering its butt. [/quote] Yes. We're allied to IAA, NpO, Athens, and our folks at SIRIUS. We are [i]definitely[/i] at the top of the world. Thus, we are giant bullies because we came to the defense of our allies who were attacked by an alliance who was late in posting a DoW. Yes. Let us completely disregard that AcTi made threats towards TKTB. Let's completely disregard that AcTi made the first move.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1289123426' post='2504877'] I think you're getting me confused with someone that hasn't seen this kind of !@#$ in the past. The war with AcTi will by definition last at least as long as the war with its leader. If its leader is to be ZIed, then the war will last at least that long. The idea that [i]you all[/i] are teaching anyone a lesson in diplomacy is absolutely laughable and pompous beyond compare. Grow up and get out of 2008. [/quote] AcTi members are free to peace out if they follow the surrender terms. It's decision whether or not they want their decision destroyed. Really, I see this war over all except in name by the end of the week, provided AcTi's members are smart enough to realize this. I don't know when we ever claimed we were teaching anyone a lesson in diplomacy. [i]You're[/i] pushing that one onto us.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1289122689' post='2504865'] Your intent is to create a situation where the war lasts until Batallion is destroyed, thereby forcing AcTi to disband in order to reach peace. [/quote] Last I checked, Batallion wasn't the only upper-tier nation in AcTi. Plus, with ConC's help, I'm sure he'll be back up to his size in no time. And I really hope that AcTi isn't so incompetent that one government member leaving, if he would even do that, completely topples them.