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[quote name='William Bonney' timestamp='1304306131' post='2703717'] MDP= Mutual [b]defence[/b] pact Oa= optional [b]aggression[/b] Consult a dictionary for further assistance if needed. [/quote] And that would matter if we were asking him to apologize for what caused the war. Which we are not. We are asking for an apology for what he did during the war. And therefore Banksy is correct, the treaty with which we entered is irrelevant to the apology.

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1304297460' post='2703554'] Every week they delay is another edition of TWiN. [/quote] You mean that when this war is over there won't be any more TWiN? We can't let that happen, can we? Maybe we should really look into this eternal war thing. I need my weekly TWiN, and I don't want to write another one myself.

[quote name='Haflinger' timestamp='1304292078' post='2703483'] [quote name='itseZe' timestamp='1304290909' post='2703464'] TPF said "Hey, spy, wouldn't it be funny if we attacked you after the war"? I must have missed that. Anybody who actually believes that and takes it serious deserves to be afraid of being attacked. But then again neither you nor CoJ does. [/quote] Learn to read. TPF said "We just made that !@#$ up, we knew spies would see it." Nobody believed them. [/quote] So you admit that comparing these two instances is flat out wrong because they are not alike? I literally adressed it at the spy, which is in contrast to what was done back then. (I also merely said it would be "funny" if it was done, and at no point advocated it, but you're ignoring that alltogether in typical Halfinger style)

[quote name='Haflinger' timestamp='1304288941' post='2703419'] Yeah, nobody believed that when TPF used it as a defense either. [/quote] TPF said "Hey, spy, wouldn't it be funny if we attacked you after the war"? I must have missed that. Anybody who actually believes that and takes it serious deserves to be afraid of being attacked. But then again neither you nor CoJ does. [quote name='Haflinger' timestamp='1304288941' post='2703419'] However the democracy stuff is a bit more interesting, and I note that ODN posters have avoided discussing that. [/quote] I'm not sure what to respond to? We have elections every 2 months and the people with the most votes win. It's pretty simple really.

[quote name='Jrenster' timestamp='1304285171' post='2703375'] Yeah I saw that. Except I don't think you were the only one supporting that. And the rest of you are supporting eternal war from the looks of it. My point is that you guys are throwing around some pretty stupid ideas. And if you're actually being serious about them, then you should be ashamed of yourselves. [/quote] Lets see: We know that we're being spied on, we're posting stupid ideas, and we're posting them in public areas. Take a guess

I'm pleased to be included this time. /edit [quote name='Jrenster' timestamp='1304283538' post='2703351'] I don't understand how spying during war equals CB for later. Are you people seriously considering that? [/quote] Read the post again, it's directly adressed to the spy (Operative Midnight) That should indicate the seriousness of said post (or at least the redeclare part).

[quote name='Sigrun Vapneir' timestamp='1303860587' post='2700019'] Now I dont know specifics, nor do I really care, but I understand that ODN actually managed to bully some poor sap into paying them "reparations" for a tech deal with another of their opponents about the time this was happening with you. [/quote] We got reps without me knowing about it? Now that's much more worrying than spying. Please tell me we at least got tech and not cash?

[quote name='HeroofTime55' timestamp='1303606361' post='2698093'] It has to do with the fact that you want to pretend Schatt has some sort of vast spy ring, which is just a laughable concept. He's been out of that business for years now, he doesn't have contacts. These clearly are people doing it of their own accord - And who is Schattenmann to discourage it? It's hilarious and makes for a great piece. What's even better is some of you allude to this "vast spy ring" with the same breath that you call Schatt irrelevant. It almost seems like you'll just say anything to insult and mock your opponents, with no regard for any sense of consistency. [/quote] Please link me to where I said he had a "vast spy ring". Thank you. In fact as pointed out the spy came during the war. I believe it even was when peace talks were already under way (I'd have to double check that though). That's a pretty solid indication that he did not have a vast spy ring already in place. Nice try though HoT, please come again.

[quote name='Felix von Agnu' timestamp='1303599722' post='2698036'] You must not have been around too long. A lot of alliances attacked for spying have done so based on a CB provided by a "dissident member." [/quote] And what does that have to do with the current situation? We're not talking about CBs here. I think you're confusing what this is about.

[quote name='Felix von Agnu' timestamp='1303592870' post='2697983'] One alliances' dissident member is another alliances' spy. It has pretty much always been that way. [/quote] No, that's not necessarily true. A dissident member/spy is someone who had been in the alliance as a normal member and then leaks something he doesn't like. A regular spy is someone sent for the sole purpose of spying. Their spy joined during the war, he posted that he wants an apology from CoJ and at the same time sent his spied intel to CoJ. That's just old fashioned spying, nothing else.

[quote name='HeroofTime55' timestamp='1303590429' post='2697948'] If you informed prospective members that they would be entering a conflict by joining ODN, then maybe you wouldn't have this problem [/quote] How is that in any way connected to you spying? But just to make you happy: Your spy was informed of the war when he joined, yet he joined anyway. A spy that infiltrates an alliance during war to gather intel and then doesn't join because the alliance is at war wouldn't have made sense anyway. Try again.

[quote name='HeroofTime55' timestamp='1303583678' post='2697872'] Schattenmann is nothing more than a simple journalist. If dissident members of the Network choose to give him a juicy story, can you really expect that he won't write about it? [/quote] "dissident members"? So that's what someone sent over in the middle of a war to spy is called these days. I remember when they used to be called... spies. And we'll make sure to supply many more (orange) "juicy stories", afterall we aim to please.

[quote name='ChairmanHal' timestamp='1303184984' post='2693144'] Given that there are probably screen shots there that an average member couldn't get [/quote] All threads the screenshots come from are viewable by all members. Transparency etc (they actually have access to the full discussion, not just excerpts). That's also why normal members were able to comment on it and ask the government to request an apology.

[quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1303181353' post='2693084'] What I think is far funnier is that the most damaging thing they could come up with is a discussion about whether a haiku should be included into a peace term. [/quote] We're trying to be evil, but Haikus is the best we could come up with.

I'm not even mentioned? I'm disappointed.

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[quote name='Mogar' timestamp='1303022547' post='2691854'] i could always use more tech http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=445021 [/quote] Who couldn't?

[quote name='Schattenmann' timestamp='1302724164' post='2690143'] Hooooo, boy. Having seen logs of the way ODN Senators talk to members when they express a minority opinion on the OWF, this one really got me laughing. This is the thread that just keeps delivering. [/quote] Feel free to forward me these supposed logs and I will bring it to the attention of the Ombudsman.

[quote name='Sigrun Vapneir' timestamp='1302579430' post='2689092'] Glad to hear that. Hopefully that means this thing can be wrapped up without too much fuss and everyone can move on to brighter futures. [/quote] This has already long been wrapped up. So much actually that it has turned around with Nomnomnom attacking methrage.

[quote name='Hydro' timestamp='1302564552' post='2688862'] That's the lamest copout of responsibility on Planet Bob, and as such, I'm going to disregard it. So long as he posts with ODN crap all over his sig/avy/title, I'm going to assume he speaks for ODN. People thinking they can just call somebody out without facing potential consequences is retarded, be those consequences the wtfpwnage of their nation or the bad PR their alliance gets from sad members !@#$-posting. [/quote] If you don't like members of alliances having individual opinions that's your choice. We value the opinion of all our members, whether the majority agrees with them or not. And we allow our members to voice that opinion. That freedom is an important part of our foundation. We don't care what you think about it, and we also don't care whether you think that this freedom of speech is a "copout".

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[quote name='omfghi2u2' timestamp='1302533085' post='2688559'] Oh I dont know, because of this thread? [img]http://siberiantigeralliance.com/forums/Smileys/classic/dohh.gif[/img] -omfg [/quote] Thanks for not actually reading the thread, makes my life easier: Nomnomnom has stated multiple times that this is his personal opinion, not ODN's.

[quote name='Sigrun Vapneir' timestamp='1302491163' post='2688284'] And ODN, really, if y'all will step back and take a little broader view, you have no reason to be upset with him.[/quote] We're not. Why do you think we would be upset with him?

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[quote name='Hydro' timestamp='1302386025' post='2687575'] So tl;dr, you suck and are getting wtfpwnt? Sucks to be you ....[img]http://forums.cybernations.net/public/style_emoticons/default/smug.gif[/img] [/quote] Making fun of the military abilities of a nation that's a fraction of your age and has 6 times as many casualties. Well, do whatever makes you feel about yourself...