Lincongrad

Smexy treaty.

I resent the implication that Legion is the only one with problems. NV has tons of problems. Like... uh...

Optional bandwagoning defense, intel, aid, and aggression.

How come Legion's always the chick?

Please don't make us cry...

...Bugger. That is all.

I declare lame

Average strength (along with nukes) is a large percentage of combat effectiveness. The nations arrayed against Legion had a much greater number of nukes and a higher average Nation Strength. Therefore, the superior numbers and Nation Strength of the Legion were offset by the fact that Vanguard et all vastly outnumbered Legion in the top tiers. It's not so much of a lack of preparation for nuclear warfare (although there was some of that too) as a lack of an ability to buy nukes because of a lower average NS. Since Vanguard and allies primarily targeted Legion (PAIN and Universalis did, at least, don't recall whether Vanguard did), we were the recipient of most of the nukes and most of the damage. While the damage dealt by Legion and allies was just about averaged between Van/Uni/PAIN, the damage to Legion/UPN/Invicta/Elysium was mostly concentrated in Legion. One could say that this is because Legion are incompetent fighters, but I'd argue that it's more to do with the large numbers of nukes that we took and the fact that Legion was outnumbered in the top tiers. Just a little disclaimer here: Your points are certainly valid and I respect you for them. I like it alot when people trash Legion and actually use facts to back it up, as it can generate a fun and healthy debate. EDIT: Do you happen to have the numbers of nukes received by the various engaged alliances?

I think it would be more correct to include the NS of the rest of nations we were engaged with, as well as the amount of nukes we took. I'm not claiming that Legion did well in this war (we did quite poorly overall), but please provide a full picture. As everyone knows, though, you can't say "Oh I did well in the most recent war sot hat must mean my alliance is superior." Combat is a group effort. And Tom Litler: Feel free to join and you'll be emperor in no time.

Bah. We wanted biggest gainer. Major surprise there, LoSS. Good show.

Yo MK, if yall could hold off on rebuying all your stuff till the start of March that'd be cool. One of our alliance goals is not to get passed this month.

Why does Ragnarok dislike Legion so much? (I know this is inviting flames from random bystanders, but I figured I may as well ask. Feel free to PM me the answer if you wish)

Oh, it's ON!

Actually, that was Ayrrie. But yeah, Wain is teh shizz.

Sometimes we getz confoosed.

Thanks for the 3 year acknowledgment

Ahem. We passed them.

I declare bias. 3 days straight of strong Legion gains as well as two passes and we don't even get a mention.

Cooperative effort?

I disagree with this, actually. We only lost a few people and some of them came back. Although similar exoduses of experienced members happened relatively often, we still maintained enough intelligent experienced people and new recruits to keep us running. The problem was the rivalry that the bad blood over the leaving generated. And being the rival of an alliance which NPO has taken a great interest in is never safe. EDIT: Oh, right, forgot to comment on the main article. As someone who joined Legion just after GWI but was never really active till after GWII, I found both these articles extremely interesting. Whatever anyone's opinion of Swampy (I still likes him), all can agree that he is one of the best orators in CN.