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  2. The Wartime Comics Thread

    in Open World RP

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    That TOP screenie inexplicably repeats the top 10 nations. TOP hippy inflation?

     

    Fair wars are so desired because the ones desiring them aren't planning on fighting in them, and wars with uncertain outcomes are by far the most fun to watch from the sidelines.

    The current TOP lineup has the first 39 in PM, then Vlad.

  5. Producers vs Parasites 2: Types of Nations

    in World Affairs (IC)

    Posted

    Every alliance that enters into a loosing war hurts it's short and long term statistical position.  And every alliance that heavily engages even in a winning war.

    That's not true.  The fallout from inaction is far worse than losing stats in a war where you are at least fighting for ideals.  A wise man once said "Even if you can't win you should do the best you can to damage your enemy".  

     

    DBDC trying to sound like they are the brave and all conquering warriors of CN. I think they forgot that none of that would be possible without the help of many other alliances. And who exactly has opposed them? No one has ever opposed DBDC, they've been the aggressors the entire time. All those with the power to oppose and defeat DBDC are backing them so they can't lose until some of those ties are cut and it'll have to be most of them which isn;t going to happen. I like how their leader says " defeating any who oppose us". I guess those backing them better stay backing them or you'll be next. :facepalm:

    I was speaking philosophically regarding opposition.  Obviously those who physically oppose us are handled with brute force and usually an overwhelming amount.  

  6. Producers vs Parasites 2: Types of Nations

    in World Affairs (IC)

    Posted

    I think there are far too many examples ITT of over-simplifying the intricate nature of CN politics. It's doing a terrible disservice to the strong willed individuals at IRON and DBDC who were able to circumvent an entire war cycle in the name of a better, lasting agreement.

    It's beyond stupid to say that any alliance willingly takes actions which directly hurt their cause in the long run or the short run. Everyone wants to survive and thrive and be surrounded by friends and good people. It's just coming off extremely petty and bitter to attack the actions of any alliance for doing what's in their best interest, both short and long term.

    If you think the actions of DBDC or iron are motivated by fear or cowardice, then you have not spent enough time in a leadership position, or your time was wasted pursuing goals that didn't pan out.

    Why have we not attacked WTF/GPA? That's our problem, not yours. None of us got to this position by following public sentiment and treaty web politics, we rejected that construct and replaced it with our own version that suits our interests better.

    The only reason we are still alive and capable of enforcing this radical movement is that we are the most capable of defending ourselves and defeating any who oppose us, both diplomatically and militarily.

    But by all means, continue to speak more about strategies you don't comprehend and about nations you don't control and about the way you think we should all interact.

  14. Wars Ought To Have Meaning

    in Open World RP

    Posted

    Wars do have a meaning, of course. I would not go further into depth in here as certain individuals tend to derail this thread since the thread has potential. So, instead of that, come talk to me on IRC if you wish to have a constructive dialogue with me regarding this intriguing subject.

    This is why I nominated him for

     

    Quietest Power Player Lord Hershey

  15. Wars Ought To Have Meaning

    in Open World RP

    Posted

    For example, CCC had/has a CB against DBDC. If we tried to act on that CB we'd be creamed, like we are right now, before it even started due to the treaty web. I could be wrong though.

    Noted.  Though in all seriousness you would probably be attacked by us well before it got to that point.

     

    I completely agree with the points on the OOC/IC divide. The title of this should probably be "CN Should Have Meaning," since you can't really have a meaningful war if you don't invest CN with any meaning in the first place. It's so weird how people are willing to devote hours a day to this nerdiest of nerd games, over the course of years and years, but still want to act like they're too cool to RP a bit. Hardly anyone bothers to be the bad guy or the good guy, or any particular type of character beyond a snarky adolescent internet dude. So when an alliance like DBDC comes along that basically does whatever the hell they want and spits in the face of every community norm that normally tempers our aggression, even the fairly inoffensive alliances like NATO and ODN are still willing to join forces with them*. Hell, GATO is allied to NG. Even in our barely IC world, if there are two alliances that I would pick as opposites, it's GATO and NG. So I would love to ask every alliance: which AA's are you like, and which are you clearly not like, and how so? I don't most of us can really answer those basic questions. [/rant]

     

     

    *DS and DBDC are interchangeable

    Keep saying shit like your last line and we all can cease wondering why we'll never be on the same side of a war.  You can proclaim IC is separate from OOC, but fact is it's still human beings operating both entities.   No one likes being disrespected and especially publicly, where everything is trackable and visible.  You can take IC attacks like the ones from your 'Mouthpiece of War, Champion of Lulzism' as IC attacks, but at the end of the day whatever alliance he's in is going to get rolled, and a CB will be adjusted to accommodate that end.

     

    RP and the treaty web weren't really connected concepts long before DBDC. It's weird to say they're destroying it when it's been dead and buried for years now. The fact of the matter is the reason things like raider/antiraiding divide never really took root was because they in themselves weren't self sustaining enough to generate two full sides. A large enough pool of participants just did not care enough or find it interesting enough to perpetuate. Antiraiding alliances were always willing to sign treaties with alliances that did raid. Alliances that were against harsh terms were always willing to support alliances that imposed them.

     

    I don't know if that's a failure to RP so much as a failure of RP. As a community, we've always chosen political expediency over grandiose principle. Alliances that make that choice win wars and get to decide how to continue imposing their will over others. Natural selection has taken over.

    Agreed.  RP will only get you so far and the days of hard-playing your IC stance are pretty quickly fading, especially in backroom channels.  DBDC formed primarily from a willingness to break from standard practices whereby developing in-game & out-of-game friendships were put aside in the name of alliance warfare.  We bucked that system and now live by our own standards, which we shape based on our friends and allies, but moreso how we want our alliance goals to be achieved.  It's like Saxasm said about how alliances will forward their own agenda, which includes not killing themselves.

     

    No claimed CB doesn't mean there isn't one. Every war happens for a reason, they can be over very little insignificant things when people are just bored(in which case boredom is the actual reason for the war) or something big such as a strategic consideration(most likely this war). No reason is more valid than the other and using questionable stated motivations to launch them is as old as this game itself.

    Agreed.  CB's are definitely a thing of the past, and you're kidding yourself if you think any war was ever actually started because one person did one thing to someone.  The only difference now is that the treaty web is so convoluted, a TRUE CB is very hard to find because there is so much diplomacy in between you and your target.  This is why the buildup of every war is so drawn out, and the CB is defeated within hours.

  16. Cybernations Awards 2014

    in Open World RP

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    Alliance of the Year NPO
    Most Powerful Alliance IRON
    Best Military NPO
    Best Rookie Alliance aNiMaLz 
    Most Powerful Bloc AZTEC
    Best Flag Artigo of Janus
    Most Active Alliance Doom Squad
    Most Honorable Alliance RIA
    Best Diplomatic Team Doom Squad
    Best Economic System Umbrella
    Best Recruiting Staff NpO
    Best Propagandist Stonewall
    Scariest Alliance DBDC
    Best Alliance Growth The Dark Templar
    Best War Flag SNX
    Best Forums lol forums, so 2013
    Alliance Most Likely to Succeed in 2015 IRON
    Most Immoral Alliance DBDC
    Most Controversial Alliance MI6
    Player of the Year Dajobo
    Most Powerful Player Roquentin
    Best Alliance Leader Letum
    Most Controversial Player King Brandon
    Best Player Sig Samus' sig generator
    Best Player Avatar Mogar
    Best Poster Rebel Virginia
    Nicest Player Cerridwyn
    Funniest Player Hartfw
    Most Active Player TBRaiders
    Player Most Likely to Achieve Greatness in 2015 ;)
    Best New Addition to the Community The Apathy Report
    Most Hated Poster He who shall not be named
    Best Declaration of War (Alliance Topic) Genmay 2.0 (should have been proofread though)
    Best Declaration of War (in-game war screen) Tidy Bowl Man's "Harboring Tywin Penalty Tax"
    Best Wall of Text Saxasm's Blog about Alliances
    Best OWF Topic Wartime Comics Thread
    Biggest Controversy  What exactly was KenM trying to say?
    Funniest Event RIA using more than half a dozen nations to try to bring down Rikhard II (ongoing)
    Most Entertaining IRC Channel #nongrata
    Best Treaty Announcement IRON-DBDC
    Worst Diplomatic Move Formation of SNX
    Best Player Quote 
    Best IRC Log There has yet to be one
    Largest E-Peen O Ya Baby
    Best Villain BONES
    Most Missed Player (Player that has gone inactive/quit) Admin
    Best WaterCooler Thread

    Worst Alliance The Democratic Order

    Worst Sphere Aqua

    Worst Poster Zoskia

    Most Annoying Poster Neo Uruk

    Biggest Mouth Starfox

    Biggest !@#$ Chairman Hal

    Quietest Power Player Lord Hershey

  25. Congratulations to the followers of the Dumb Bird

    in Open World RP

    Posted

    He probably has you on ignore too :P
    I quoted you so he could see it anyways, i am a bit of a jerk :/

    its true. He gets quoted far too often, more because people are in disbelief about how a person can so delude themselves, less about the positive value of his contribution. Difference is I actually like mogar, but the discourse has gotten to the intolerable point. Combine it with excessive posting and well, here we are.

    More on point, this "dumb bird" alliance as it was so eloquently penned is now sanctioned: http://www.cybernations.net/alliance_all.asp
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