CubaQuerida
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good one CTDude!! The logs are proof of an INGAME situation!! Not about anyone's personal life smartly! Irc and Skype are no different
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its you they don't like CT. You're wasting people's time with your half access logs and double personalities.I'm sure most of you don't even like DBDC
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goons 3.0?Just to be different. I'll nominate any five alliances that never formed as the worst five of all time. Even the least successful at least was someone having a go.
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I don't even disagree with you and that's rare. I'm roundabout saying the same thing you are. If you're going to waste peoples time and patience by posting OOC logs, they better show something worth breaching confidentiality. I'm personally not in favor of just making it cool to post whatever the hell you want from a Skype channel and let the OWF sort it out. It's off the OWF for a reason.Oh please.
Besides, the point that most of us are making is that his lack of putting up is cause for him to be shutting up. You should be glad that even your enemies are calling him out on his BS. -
You had played the political game shrewdly and admirably up until this paragraph. Now this paragraph does not detract from all that you have accomplished, but it does show what amounts to you taking an "honorable" and a "noble" stance that what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Since the inception of planet Bob, this has been false. Every time someone with an axe to grind has those same personal and private conversation that can be spun to a political whim of their own choosing... it is only a matter of time until they use them. Using these is not a betrayal. It is a divergence of philosophy. Nearly every war in this game has begun with someone telling someone something that was never meant to be shared. The community has ALWAYS been accepting of this from day 1. You would be better suited not to give the impression that you are taking an almost "moral" stance based on political agendas and how to achieve them. I do not know what is and is not real or true about any of this, nor do I care, but your assertion here quite simply is, has always been, and will always be, incorrect. It is only despicable if you are the betrayed or close to the betrayed, and it is also only celebrated when you are the betrayer or stand to gain through the betrayer. We have ALL, without exception, been on both sides of this coin.
Fair point, but it doesn't make any us of feel better to be betrayed, it just justifies to the viewer that somehow this is an ok practice to make standard. I'm not taking a moral IG stance, if anything it's an OOC stance in what is to be considered appropriate content and it's getting really close to the imaginary line. -
I'm not worried about skeletons, and there's always been anti DBDC posting and ranting. Raiding and killing is one thing, but betrayal and espionage with the explicit purpose of backstabbing and attempted embarrassment is a totally different path. WTF will get peace when we are both ready, CT will not. That's the difference.You seem to be fine with the precedent of raiding whomever you like, it sucks to have your skeletons aired out, but maybe if you stopped killing people there'd be less support in watching this.
If you look at who is talking in the logs, you'll also see it's CT suggesting to TB that he/we hit Dulra (OBR) and GPA. That's more substantive and telling than the rest of what's posted. If TB is concurring, I guarantee you it's to make CT complacent more than actual political strategizing (he's quite an angry dude) -
Guys. Listen. The ship has sailed. You should've started fighting DBDC a loooooooong time ago if you wanted to do anything about them. The easy fix is no more. All that is left is to extirpate the deeply-rooted political foundations they currently rest on. I don't know how to do that. Do you?
Your speech was lifted from a famous poem that isn't just about the Holocaust despite that bring the original context. It's a warning to all people of the dangers of complacency, aimed most strongly at the time towards the Germans who obliviously stood by and allowed fellow Germans to be persecuted, tortured, and killed. I know you understand this, and I know you realize that it is explicitly appropriate for this discussion. >_>
No I'm aware. I hear it literally every Yom Kippur. It carries meaning, but just like every other holocaust/nazi reference it carries way to much weight for this context. Some things are just not appropriate for use on bob. -
Wow that was anticlimactic.
Shocking that TB allegedly told CT that GPA might still be a target (sarcasm). As for posting WC information on the owf, that's ALWAYS a good idea right? Fact is, there's been diplomacy to stave off any war we might have with GPA, and it sure as hell was not talked about it any channel CT had access to. Plans have changed, and while we may originally have wanted to hit GPA and spare WTF, we decided to switch things up, for reasons beyond just Oya jumping the gun and spooking everybody (though I'm still mad at that). At this point I would speculate there isn't a need for war with GPA, being as they are the true neutral and WTF isn't. This was a major factor in our decision as well.
I'm really upset more by the fact that the OWF community seems fine with setting the precedent that private intra alliance communications are in any way justified to be posted to the public forums. This has always been a despicable issue with people I've known and while today's logs may not show anything of value (and these magical "reserved logs" won't show anything either) somebody out there has dirt on somebody else's alliance and I'm just not sure we want to go down this road.
I'm not saying we have anything to hide, but surely this is a bad move all around. -
well, smurf has made contact with the logs, that pretty much says everything I need to know. I doubt I'll even respond to this masterwork of document doctoring. Pro tip: if you want validity to your claim, hire the most non-trustworthy person you can find to "proofread". I now officially have lost interest in possible validity, I'm just anticipating this work of art Smurf has probably been working on for years.He posted full logs elsewhere... I can't speak for fabricated but I don't think out of context is a valid defense as all context is included.
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Just be prepared for the most unimpressive and out of context chat logs you will probably ever see. I stand by any of our statements made, and will be happy to substantiate any outlandish claims.
I.e. "Let's roll IRON" or "I heard KB uses proxies" but by all means..
For future reference this is why you don't allow psychopaths into your private channels, but, water under the bridge.
What I DON'T doubt is that these logs will be heavily edited/modified and will probably be fabricated, but I'm all for fair disclosure, even if it is a terrible owf precedent to start. -
I was going to avoid a response in this thread since I don't like dealing with emotional terrorists. But I feel some kind of statement should be made, if nothing else than for clarification and counterpoint.
I'm not even going to touch the OOC issues, I feel guilty for having even indulged the effort to read about that. I feel like Blake G will be in here any minute to tell us about it.
As for our 'plans', the strategy of coming to the OWF and throwing 'darts' at the biggest CN targets, namely any major neutral and Umbrella is just too basic to even acknowledge.
We are clearly in the grips of a psychopath gone off the deep end. I'm just glad the OWF gets a glimpse into the crap I had to deal with for 2 straight years (and I'm still dealing with it in PM's and other forms of communication).
As for a direct response, I feel like my one lonely nuke is a good one, and there's a 40% chance it connects. I would even surmise I could buy more if I wanted. Who knows, maybe I'll start a trend of only maintaining one nuke, and letting the challengers come as they may to test their luck.
I feel bad for having commented in a junky ooc hate thread, but I would like to speak on behalf of all DOOMBIRDS and say good riddance to a member whose loyalty and character I've long questioned. The best thing to come out of this thread is that I don't have to explain the crazed antics and delusions of grandeur of this ex-communicate.
My nuke will do the talking from this point forward.
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#comeatmebro
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I'm happy to answer that right here, it's no secret.
Polaris will continue to fight until our allies are out of this war.
Be that a day, a week, a month or whatever.You and I know why we all fight, but to some it's sounding like a higher moral calling. It's not.
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If we've "lost" and are about to surrender why are we still fightin'?
sounds like a question for your emperor not the OWF.
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Although I just re-read the post where TB fleshed out his ideas for a "proper" DBDC post-EQ back in Feb 2013 so I guess around then might be more fitting.
Scary isn't it? One of the top 3 posts I think I've ever read in terms of accuracy and content.
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http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?/topic/114848-dbdc-doetreatydow/?hl=%2Bdoombird+%2Bdoomcave
There was a DoE during Equilibrium war. Did any of you sign BIBO and actually pay the blood out? Or was that practice abolished as part of the terms of that war?
Well Sighet paid the ultimate price and Methax fell asleep at the wheel, but BIBO was their baby. If Tayloj ever leaves I'll happily (hoppily?) exact BIBO on Methax's behalf.
ooc/ So there's an outside chance that Jan.18, the true birthday, was inconvenient and so we celebrated on a non-weekend. Bit backward, but that's CN for ya! /ooc
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I think the new incarnation was earlier than 2 years ago because we fought you prior to 2 years ago. We declared on you January 18th 2013 and I think you had been in existence well before that.
So as it turns out, 72 hours after Gramlins declares war on you is when you are officially born. I'm certain there's a mogwai reference that can support this.
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This is where things get confusing when you do the whole dual-membership ordeal. When does one membership actually stop and the other begin? Like I said, I get y'alls reasoning, you did literally break your word to your ally in SPATR (something which they seem to think at least) in terms of hitting murtibing without discussing things.
I am amused about the whole clearing of raids things particularly due to the whole Bean/Bobdole hitting MI6 that happened in the Kaskus war. While I get that MI6 was not on a no-raid list (though at the time we were allied to Umbrella and I could have sworn there was some sort of agreement to not hit allies of allies but I could be wrong and am willing to admit it if this is not the case) from what I have heard, that was not a cleared raid and yet DBDC backed Bean/Bobdole enough to send Bones over to babysit.
[b] Frankly, this is your mess to deal with and I am sure y'all will work it out. [/b]
Without going into depth about who was where when things happened, they're all unique situations. Bean had a personal grudge against MI6 and I sympathized with that (bobdole is just a loose cannon and isn't so awesome at following rules). We see it all the time, especially when people don't like what we're doing and try to bandwagon against us (sometimes rallying our friends to join our enemies). That's a story for another day.
Ultimately, the bolded part is where we're at. This happened, it's been forgiven (at least diplomatically) and we will move ahead from it.
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While I get the sentiment, you also promised your ally(SPATR) you would not attack them when you signed a treaty with said ally. It seems silly to me to attack an ally without even attempting to contact them first. I would say you guys caused an even larger fiasco by hitting first without literally talking to anyone in SPATR about this.
No. Firstly he wasn't an ally, he was a DOOMBIRD at the time he attacked WAPA. Secondly, we had literally JUST stated to our own allies that we were sorry for having hit WAPA not days/weeks before and we would personally nuke the next person to try. Just so happens it transpired within days of that statement. So yes, it was a harsh disciplining, but the conventional attacks sufficed and we didn't end up nuking.
While this agreement was only known to DBDC and the allies we made it with, there's still a base code of conduct that every DBDC is asked to follow. Clearing raids is most definitely one of those responsibilities.
Feel free to guess what the rest of the DBDC code of conduct is :) (yes yes, trollbait)
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One of these things is not like the other...Total Soldier Casualties
- 31,729,004 Total Soldiers Lost - Timmehhh of Pilsmania - Pink Team
- 31,714,623 Total Soldiers Lost - CubaQuerida of ThePromisedLand - Pink Team
- 24,520,251 Total Soldiers Lost - konkrage1 of konkrage1 - Purple Team
- 24,497,033 Total Soldiers Lost - o ya baby of o ya baby - Pink Team
- 23,292,857 Total Soldiers Lost - TBRaiders of Saldaea - Pink Team
Sup
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I have an idea, given that you like warz n stuff, why don't you go non-aligned? You can do as we did and set your alliance affiliation as NONE (capitalized) and choose the same flag. That way some could figure out that there was a relationship and avoid you, but others might decide to take you on and see what happens. We didn't do diplomacy, we just fought -- and believe me, your defensive wars will keep you busy enough.
Oh no, you wouldn't do that. You don't have the guts. Instead, you cravenly exploit the alliance system just as you exploit your [temporary] affiliated alliances. You hide behind the same AA to protect your precious pixels, then look for houses to break into and people to beat up.
Prove me wrong and go out into the world as independents and see what courage and integrity is really made of.
Yes let's go recreate your failed AA and see if we can actually make it work at your personal request. I bet you we could, actually. We pretty much started out as that anyway, and had to forge several major AA connections before anyone outside of our inner circle gave us legitimacy. You think the physical name of our alliance is what gives us power? Like somehow if we changed to SNARF we'd be mass declared on. We both know better.
For my estimation, the only AA name we could change to that would guarantee our utter destruction would be the New Polar Order. -
It's not annoyance, it's deep-seated hatred for an alliance far greater than your own. That's exactly why you're typing paragraph after paragraph, page after page, blowing hot air about this and that.
Thank god the OWF has gotten past this pettiness! Right?
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We have chosen not to gag our members for some some now and if you can't see that individuals are affected and have their own opinions you're being deliberately blind.
Some of these members opinions I strongly agree on, some I don't. Either way we're all well served by understanding and respecting the feelings and reasons for the said feeling by the people who express them.We can all see what's being stated. There's nothing wrong with having fervent opinions and a set of values you defend, but the vitriol here is so unnecessary. With a dwindling member base I feel remorseful for ignoring people, but there is a distinct disconnection with reality I haven't seen since we fought GOP. Neither Polaris nor DBDC is completely evil or completely righteous, and really neither should be throwing stones from what anyone could consider glass houses. There just seems to be some Kool-aid being consumed and it's becoming increasingly hard to tell exactly what Polaris actually stands for these days.
You may say that they are just members, but they impact the public image of your AA, just as my own mates do. While their hyperbole may not be in line with what you or your cabinet might think, they tarnish the reputation all the same. Now, whether you care about that at this point.. that's your deal.
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YEAH BUDDY
[flair]WHOOOOO [/flair]
AINT NO GETTIN OFFA THIS MOTHER !@#$@#$ TRAIN THAT WE ONYou mean this one?
Yeah I don't imagine there anyone getting off that train...
The topic you've all been waiting for
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Wasn't kaskus' war also started/predicated upon out of context logs? All I see is that you could potentially snip/edit whatever you want to make something appear where there is actually nothing.